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	<title>Comments on: Former Cy Young winner takes powerful drug to aid his performance, no one cares</title>
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		<title>By: bigjimatch</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 03:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am with Craig on this one. Also, anyone who received the polio vaccine should be banned from playing, since they have an unfair advantage in terms of not being crippled with polio.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with Craig on this one. Also, anyone who received the polio vaccine should be banned from playing, since they have an unfair advantage in terms of not being crippled with polio.</p>
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		<title>By: micker716</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[micker716]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 02:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Craig, it&#039;s beginning to become kind of sad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, it&#8217;s beginning to become kind of sad.</p>
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		<title>By: drunkenhooliganism</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[drunkenhooliganism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 01:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would&#039;ve went with Tylenol if I were you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would&#8217;ve went with Tylenol if I were you.</p>
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		<title>By: metalhead65</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[metalhead65]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 22:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[why do you people keep ignoring the sudden rise of power? he was already one of the greatest players before he started using then once he started juicing his power numbers went up. why because of the roids! I know that just taking them without working out will not help but the extra strength he gained by taking the roids made him stronger making him hit more homers. deny all you want but it is right there in front of you. look at a picture of him before he started juicing and after and there is no doubt! again I do not care how great a hitter he was he did not start hitting 70 homers till he started juicing!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why do you people keep ignoring the sudden rise of power? he was already one of the greatest players before he started using then once he started juicing his power numbers went up. why because of the roids! I know that just taking them without working out will not help but the extra strength he gained by taking the roids made him stronger making him hit more homers. deny all you want but it is right there in front of you. look at a picture of him before he started juicing and after and there is no doubt! again I do not care how great a hitter he was he did not start hitting 70 homers till he started juicing!</p>
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		<title>By: thefreaksfg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thefreaksfg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 22:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A player getting that strong requires more than steroids. Not to mention, Barry Bonds was close to the Top 50 of hitters all time (by the numbers) before the year he was accused of starting on steroids.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A player getting that strong requires more than steroids. Not to mention, Barry Bonds was close to the Top 50 of hitters all time (by the numbers) before the year he was accused of starting on steroids.</p>
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		<title>By: natstowngreg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[natstowngreg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks. This has confused me, in part because of my own experience. After suffering a detached retina (which, due to other problems in the eye, resulted in 4 operations), I had to take a lot of eyedrops with prednisolone, a corticosteroid.  According to Wikipedia, 

&quot;As a glucocorticosteroid, use of prednisolone during competition via oral, intravenous, intramuscular or rectal routes is banned under WADA anti-doping rules.[11] Local or topical use of prednisolone during competition as well as any use out of competition is not regulated.&quot;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prednisolone

So I guess my use in eyedrop form didn&#039;t disqualify me from competing in the Olympics. Never mind my complete lack of athletic talent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. This has confused me, in part because of my own experience. After suffering a detached retina (which, due to other problems in the eye, resulted in 4 operations), I had to take a lot of eyedrops with prednisolone, a corticosteroid.  According to Wikipedia, </p>
<p>&#8220;As a glucocorticosteroid, use of prednisolone during competition via oral, intravenous, intramuscular or rectal routes is banned under WADA anti-doping rules.[11] Local or topical use of prednisolone during competition as well as any use out of competition is not regulated.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prednisolone" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prednisolone</a></p>
<p>So I guess my use in eyedrop form didn&#8217;t disqualify me from competing in the Olympics. Never mind my complete lack of athletic talent.</p>
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		<title>By: natstowngreg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[natstowngreg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: metalhead65</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[metalhead65]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[right there is no know correlation between steroids and performance, so barry bonds magicly changed his appearance with steroids and went from from 40 homers to 75 overnight but the roids had no effect on him doing it? sammy sosa went from scrawny 30 homer guy to 70 but the roids had no effect on his sudden improvement? you know sometimes you do not have to waste time with scientific studies or years of research if you just open your eyes and look at the evidence right in front of you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>right there is no know correlation between steroids and performance, so barry bonds magicly changed his appearance with steroids and went from from 40 homers to 75 overnight but the roids had no effect on him doing it? sammy sosa went from scrawny 30 homer guy to 70 but the roids had no effect on his sudden improvement? you know sometimes you do not have to waste time with scientific studies or years of research if you just open your eyes and look at the evidence right in front of you.</p>
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		<title>By: sabatimus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sabatimus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had a kidney stone once, so large that I couldn&#039;t pass it, and it had to be broken into pieces via some kind of shock type thing that I don&#039;t remember.  &#039;course, I was heavily sedated when it happened ;p.  But my point (only half relevant I know) is that kidney stones are NO JOKE when it comes to pain.  I fell and dislocated my left patella a couple years back and that hurt LESS than my kidney stone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a kidney stone once, so large that I couldn&#8217;t pass it, and it had to be broken into pieces via some kind of shock type thing that I don&#8217;t remember.  &#8216;course, I was heavily sedated when it happened ;p.  But my point (only half relevant I know) is that kidney stones are NO JOKE when it comes to pain.  I fell and dislocated my left patella a couple years back and that hurt LESS than my kidney stone.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisny3</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chrisny3]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 20:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL, ever hear of Pravachol? Guess not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, ever hear of Pravachol? Guess not.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisny3</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chrisny3]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 20:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Steroids are drugs that make you stronger than you were before, so they’re peformance enhancers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is absolutely correct. One can play all the semantical games they want, but the fact is there is a very stark line that differentiates a drug like Toradol from an anabolic steroid. And that is one is the &lt;b&gt;key &lt;/b&gt;enabler to allowing an athlete to physiologically change his body in a fundamental way so as to add capabilities he would otherwise not be able to enjoy. The other, Toradol, simply blocks pain and inflammation so as to allow what capabilities are already there in an athlete to be better utilized. An athlete&#039;s God-given talents are not altered in any way. This is a key fundamental difference between these two classes of drugs, and those blurring the line are either ignorant, blind, or just want to keep making excuses for the steroids cheats.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Steroids are drugs that make you stronger than you were before, so they’re peformance enhancers.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is absolutely correct. One can play all the semantical games they want, but the fact is there is a very stark line that differentiates a drug like Toradol from an anabolic steroid. And that is one is the <b>key </b>enabler to allowing an athlete to physiologically change his body in a fundamental way so as to add capabilities he would otherwise not be able to enjoy. The other, Toradol, simply blocks pain and inflammation so as to allow what capabilities are already there in an athlete to be better utilized. An athlete&#8217;s God-given talents are not altered in any way. This is a key fundamental difference between these two classes of drugs, and those blurring the line are either ignorant, blind, or just want to keep making excuses for the steroids cheats.</p>
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		<title>By: kevinbnyc</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kevinbnyc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 20:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What we&#039;re really debating here is performance enhancing vs. performance enabling. 

Steroids harm your body and make you stronger. This drug harms your body and makes you able to play through pain. 

Either way, you&#039;re pharmaceutically enhancing your performance, and the arbitrary line drawn between these two classes (the PED list) is exactly that: arbitrary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we&#8217;re really debating here is performance enhancing vs. performance enabling. </p>
<p>Steroids harm your body and make you stronger. This drug harms your body and makes you able to play through pain. </p>
<p>Either way, you&#8217;re pharmaceutically enhancing your performance, and the arbitrary line drawn between these two classes (the PED list) is exactly that: arbitrary.</p>
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		<title>By: pharmerbrown</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pharmerbrown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 19:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NSAIDs are permitted because they are 1.) non-steroidal, and 2.) don&#039;t inherently improve performance.  The bright line that Craig was referring to is still obscure, but should rest somewhere in between &quot;medically necessary/ curative&quot; and &quot;blatantly performance enhancing with no curative effect&quot;.  Of course, that line is tough to see.  Sure, Tommy John was a decent pitcher, but how many pitcher&#039;s performance IMPROVES after the surgery (a 2-4 mph jump on the radar).  Antibiotics, NSAIDs, and the setting of a broken arm do not inherently improve performance so much as they restore performance to pre-injury or -sickness levels; PEDs raise the bar on performance.  Again, if a player is in a car accident and his doctor prescribes Methyltestosterone as part of his recovery, MLB won&#039;t (to my understanding) penalize him provided he cleans up before returning to the game, but if he continues taking it beyond the &quot;recovery&quot; period and into the &quot;improvement&quot; period.

What about Lasek eye surgery, hip replacements on active players, or ligament restructuring?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NSAIDs are permitted because they are 1.) non-steroidal, and 2.) don&#8217;t inherently improve performance.  The bright line that Craig was referring to is still obscure, but should rest somewhere in between &#8220;medically necessary/ curative&#8221; and &#8220;blatantly performance enhancing with no curative effect&#8221;.  Of course, that line is tough to see.  Sure, Tommy John was a decent pitcher, but how many pitcher&#8217;s performance IMPROVES after the surgery (a 2-4 mph jump on the radar).  Antibiotics, NSAIDs, and the setting of a broken arm do not inherently improve performance so much as they restore performance to pre-injury or -sickness levels; PEDs raise the bar on performance.  Again, if a player is in a car accident and his doctor prescribes Methyltestosterone as part of his recovery, MLB won&#8217;t (to my understanding) penalize him provided he cleans up before returning to the game, but if he continues taking it beyond the &#8220;recovery&#8221; period and into the &#8220;improvement&#8221; period.</p>
<p>What about Lasek eye surgery, hip replacements on active players, or ligament restructuring?</p>
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		<title>By: thefreaksfg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thefreaksfg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 19:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s the same thing with the writers who won&#039;t vote for known &quot;cheaters&quot;. It&#039;s not about ethics or morality, it&#039;s about public perception. Too many people are too stupid to understand that the sport has never been clean, and in the era where these known &quot;cheaters&quot; were caught, more people then ever were doping up. 

Not to mention, nobody really knows exactly what how any drug affects the player&#039;s performance when it comes to baseball. We all know how it affects their body, but it&#039;s never been fully proven when it comes to enhancing performance. 

Guys like Bonds, McGuire, etc. were all simply the poster children. Plenty of players the casual fan has never heard of have been caught taking these performance enhancing drugs, or continue to take them without being caught. Difference is, these players remain unknown because they&#039;re not good (meaning there&#039;s no effect whatsoever when it comes to these drugs and their performance), and the &quot;superstars&quot; get crucified because people are ignorant enough to think these &#039;enhancers&#039; made them who they are.

You can make an argument for steroids because they make you physically stronger (still no known correlation between being physically stronger and performance), but there&#039;s a ton of drugs that keep players on the field and perform better by reducing the effects of injury, such as a cortisone shot the knee. If you play with that bad knee, it&#039;s going to effect your performance in a negative way. Take that shot, and it&#039;s clearly improving your performance if it helps your knee heal rapidly, or eases the pain. Once again though, this comes down to banned vs. not banned, or &quot;cheating&quot; vs. medicine. 

Just another example of why people need to do their own research and not let the media form their opinion for them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the same thing with the writers who won&#8217;t vote for known &#8220;cheaters&#8221;. It&#8217;s not about ethics or morality, it&#8217;s about public perception. Too many people are too stupid to understand that the sport has never been clean, and in the era where these known &#8220;cheaters&#8221; were caught, more people then ever were doping up. </p>
<p>Not to mention, nobody really knows exactly what how any drug affects the player&#8217;s performance when it comes to baseball. We all know how it affects their body, but it&#8217;s never been fully proven when it comes to enhancing performance. </p>
<p>Guys like Bonds, McGuire, etc. were all simply the poster children. Plenty of players the casual fan has never heard of have been caught taking these performance enhancing drugs, or continue to take them without being caught. Difference is, these players remain unknown because they&#8217;re not good (meaning there&#8217;s no effect whatsoever when it comes to these drugs and their performance), and the &#8220;superstars&#8221; get crucified because people are ignorant enough to think these &#8216;enhancers&#8217; made them who they are.</p>
<p>You can make an argument for steroids because they make you physically stronger (still no known correlation between being physically stronger and performance), but there&#8217;s a ton of drugs that keep players on the field and perform better by reducing the effects of injury, such as a cortisone shot the knee. If you play with that bad knee, it&#8217;s going to effect your performance in a negative way. Take that shot, and it&#8217;s clearly improving your performance if it helps your knee heal rapidly, or eases the pain. Once again though, this comes down to banned vs. not banned, or &#8220;cheating&#8221; vs. medicine. </p>
<p>Just another example of why people need to do their own research and not let the media form their opinion for them.</p>
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		<title>By: metalhead65</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[metalhead65]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 19:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[awsome reply! and you are right the church of steroids led by craig will be outraged but to bad the truth hurts somtimes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>awsome reply! and you are right the church of steroids led by craig will be outraged but to bad the truth hurts somtimes.</p>
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		<title>By: indaburg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[indaburg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 18:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know in my ER, toradol (ketorolac) is given regularly for pain, and not for serious trauma or kidney stones. Cur, when comparing Advil to a Ford Focus, are you comparing over the counter 200 mg or prescrition strength (800 mg)? Same drug, but different performance based on how souped up it is. Also, Toradol might be a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, but it isn&#039;t a Lamborghini Aventador. Hell, it isn&#039;t even a Corvette. 

As a patient, I have received Toradol myself, and I never felt invincible. The pain was dulled, but not eliminated. We&#039;re not talking Demerol or Oxycontin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know in my ER, toradol (ketorolac) is given regularly for pain, and not for serious trauma or kidney stones. Cur, when comparing Advil to a Ford Focus, are you comparing over the counter 200 mg or prescrition strength (800 mg)? Same drug, but different performance based on how souped up it is. Also, Toradol might be a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, but it isn&#8217;t a Lamborghini Aventador. Hell, it isn&#8217;t even a Corvette. </p>
<p>As a patient, I have received Toradol myself, and I never felt invincible. The pain was dulled, but not eliminated. We&#8217;re not talking Demerol or Oxycontin.</p>
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		<title>By: drunkenhooliganism</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[drunkenhooliganism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 18:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If a drug ends in &quot;ol&quot; it&#039;s a steroid.  Johan Santana should  be banned for the rest of his life and should be stripped of his Cy Young awards and his children must be banned from playing little league for the sake of the integrity of the game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a drug ends in &#8220;ol&#8221; it&#8217;s a steroid.  Johan Santana should  be banned for the rest of his life and should be stripped of his Cy Young awards and his children must be banned from playing little league for the sake of the integrity of the game.</p>
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		<title>By: indaburg</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 18:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m an RN, and when I saw the headline and started reading Craig&#039;s alarmist prose, I couldn&#039;t wait to read what this new mystical drug with such damaging and potent effects was. Then I saw Toradol. Seriously, Craig? Sure, Toradol can have side effects, but so does every drug on the planet. In my ER, Toradol was dispensed very frequently, and I never saw or heard of any patient who suffered an adverse effect when given appropriately. As others have posted, Toradol is basically a stronger version of Aleve or Motrin. (It&#039;s a favorite in the ER to give to drug seekers in pain--it works with none of the highs from opiods like morphine.) I understand your point regarding the whole steroid debate, and how hypocritical it is to allow some substances but not others, but comparing steroids to a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug is like comparing apples to broccoli.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an RN, and when I saw the headline and started reading Craig&#8217;s alarmist prose, I couldn&#8217;t wait to read what this new mystical drug with such damaging and potent effects was. Then I saw Toradol. Seriously, Craig? Sure, Toradol can have side effects, but so does every drug on the planet. In my ER, Toradol was dispensed very frequently, and I never saw or heard of any patient who suffered an adverse effect when given appropriately. As others have posted, Toradol is basically a stronger version of Aleve or Motrin. (It&#8217;s a favorite in the ER to give to drug seekers in pain&#8211;it works with none of the highs from opiods like morphine.) I understand your point regarding the whole steroid debate, and how hypocritical it is to allow some substances but not others, but comparing steroids to a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug is like comparing apples to broccoli.</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 18:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Steroids are drugs that make you stronger than you were before, so they’re peformance enhancers&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Except this isn&#039;t entirely true.  Steroids allow you to work out harder and longer than before to increase muscle mass thus providing additional benefits.  It&#039;s not as simple as Average Player + Steroids = Barry Bonds.

You need to work out, you need to increase strength, you need to increase speed.  Steroids allow you to do this longer, with more weight thus increasing the benefit.  

It&#039;s this small quibble that many of us like to point out in the hypocrisy of the steroid outrage.  There are a ton of drugs that are used for similar means, but they don&#039;t get anywhere near the coverage that PEDs do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Steroids are drugs that make you stronger than you were before, so they’re peformance enhancers</p></blockquote>
<p>Except this isn&#8217;t entirely true.  Steroids allow you to work out harder and longer than before to increase muscle mass thus providing additional benefits.  It&#8217;s not as simple as Average Player + Steroids = Barry Bonds.</p>
<p>You need to work out, you need to increase strength, you need to increase speed.  Steroids allow you to do this longer, with more weight thus increasing the benefit.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s this small quibble that many of us like to point out in the hypocrisy of the steroid outrage.  There are a ton of drugs that are used for similar means, but they don&#8217;t get anywhere near the coverage that PEDs do.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 18:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, it is going to make Santana throw about 90 mph harder than he could if he didn&#039;t take it.  Pain is a naturally occurring phenomenon.  Taking something that removes all hint of pain enhances performance above what a player could do otherwise.

If someone is going to try to make this distinction, they are splitting hairs.....and as pointed out above, the long-term effects of drugs like this (and even cortisone) are worse than for anabolic steroids.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it is going to make Santana throw about 90 mph harder than he could if he didn&#8217;t take it.  Pain is a naturally occurring phenomenon.  Taking something that removes all hint of pain enhances performance above what a player could do otherwise.</p>
<p>If someone is going to try to make this distinction, they are splitting hairs&#8230;..and as pointed out above, the long-term effects of drugs like this (and even cortisone) are worse than for anabolic steroids.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 18:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are you not familiar with his work?  This is pretty much par for the course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you not familiar with his work?  This is pretty much par for the course.</p>
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		<title>By: tigerprez</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tigerprez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What continues to be lost in this debate over PEDs is the difference between performance enhancers and performance enablers. Something like toradol isn&#039;t going to make Santana throw 5mph harder than he did before or magically transform him back into the dominant force he was before his injury. Toradol (along with cortisone, advil, and even the dreaded greenies) are performance enablers. They make it so you can drag your broken body onto the field and compete with what you have. Steroids are drugs that make you stronger than you were before, so they&#039;re peformance enhancers. They make you better than you could be otherwise (and, in Bonds&#039; case, make you the greatest player ever at an age when you should be fading into your twilight years). I know the Church of Steroids-Are-No-More-Dangerous-Than-Skittles-and-No-Player-Ever-Hit-Even-One-More-Homerun-Because-of-Them have their pitchforks ready for anyone who would are make that argument, but that is a crucial difference, I think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What continues to be lost in this debate over PEDs is the difference between performance enhancers and performance enablers. Something like toradol isn&#8217;t going to make Santana throw 5mph harder than he did before or magically transform him back into the dominant force he was before his injury. Toradol (along with cortisone, advil, and even the dreaded greenies) are performance enablers. They make it so you can drag your broken body onto the field and compete with what you have. Steroids are drugs that make you stronger than you were before, so they&#8217;re peformance enhancers. They make you better than you could be otherwise (and, in Bonds&#8217; case, make you the greatest player ever at an age when you should be fading into your twilight years). I know the Church of Steroids-Are-No-More-Dangerous-Than-Skittles-and-No-Player-Ever-Hit-Even-One-More-Homerun-Because-of-Them have their pitchforks ready for anyone who would are make that argument, but that is a crucial difference, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: drewsylvania</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[drewsylvania]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@MH

It&#039;s &quot;cheating&quot; because MLB says it&#039;s cheating.  If they banned Oreos, would that suddenly make sandwich cookies &quot;bad&quot;?

Toradal takes away the pain so he can play.  HGH and steroids allow the body to recover so he can play.  Why split hairs?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MH</p>
<p>It&#8217;s &#8220;cheating&#8221; because MLB says it&#8217;s cheating.  If they banned Oreos, would that suddenly make sandwich cookies &#8220;bad&#8221;?</p>
<p>Toradal takes away the pain so he can play.  HGH and steroids allow the body to recover so he can play.  Why split hairs?</p>
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		<title>By: The Dangerous Mabry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Dangerous Mabry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Corticosteroids and anabolic steroids are about as different as antihistamines and opiods.  Don&#039;t let the word &quot;Steroid&quot; confuse you into thinking they&#039;re the same thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corticosteroids and anabolic steroids are about as different as antihistamines and opiods.  Don&#8217;t let the word &#8220;Steroid&#8221; confuse you into thinking they&#8217;re the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: nategearhart</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nategearhart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You think faster recovery from injury is an unfair advantage?
I don&#039;t think there&#039;s much difference.  HGH recovers the injury faster so you can return sooner.  Toradal allows you to play through the pain of the injury and return sooner.  I need you to explain why one is cheating and the other is not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think faster recovery from injury is an unfair advantage?<br />
I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s much difference.  HGH recovers the injury faster so you can return sooner.  Toradal allows you to play through the pain of the injury and return sooner.  I need you to explain why one is cheating and the other is not.</p>
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		<title>By: metalhead65</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[metalhead65]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pretty simple it&#039;s cheating. how do you compare the 2? is the toradal healing the injury? is it making him stronger? faster? no it takes away the pain so he can play. it does not give him the advantage steroids or hgh does.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pretty simple it&#8217;s cheating. how do you compare the 2? is the toradal healing the injury? is it making him stronger? faster? no it takes away the pain so he can play. it does not give him the advantage steroids or hgh does.</p>
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		<title>By: Walk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suffer from kidney stones once passing a 9mm by 4mm by 4mm stone after lithotripsy(sp) to break it up from a larger mass. I get major stones big enough to cause a hospital stay about every two years. The pain literally takes me off my feet and hurt enough that i cramp up and puke. I get toradol shots usually to start then demerol or lately dilaudid for my pain meds. Only thing i can tell you is it works. In fact on a few occasions the stronger nardotic demerol was not needed until after i was admitted. I had no idea it was an nsaid type drug, but i am all for that and like it better now that i know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suffer from kidney stones once passing a 9mm by 4mm by 4mm stone after lithotripsy(sp) to break it up from a larger mass. I get major stones big enough to cause a hospital stay about every two years. The pain literally takes me off my feet and hurt enough that i cramp up and puke. I get toradol shots usually to start then demerol or lately dilaudid for my pain meds. Only thing i can tell you is it works. In fact on a few occasions the stronger nardotic demerol was not needed until after i was admitted. I had no idea it was an nsaid type drug, but i am all for that and like it better now that i know.</p>
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		<title>By: drewsylvania</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[drewsylvania]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: drewsylvania</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[drewsylvania]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pointing out hypocrisy and making people think is something that should happen more often.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pointing out hypocrisy and making people think is something that should happen more often.</p>
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		<title>By: nategearhart</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nategearhart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d be curious to know your thoughts on HGH.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be curious to know your thoughts on HGH.</p>
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