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MLB overrules official scorer, gives Delmon Young error

Apr 17, 2012, 3:45 PM EDT


Delmon Young‘s hilarious defensive misplay last Friday was ruled a “triple” by the official scorer in Chicago despite the fact that he did a 360-degree spin going after a fly ball to left field … and then dropped it.

At the time I wondered what exactly the point was of even having “errors” if Young’s play wasn’t ruled as one. MLB apparently agreed, because Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune reports that they’ve overruled the official scorer and changed it from a “triple” to an error.

And for anyone who missed the play the first time, here’s Delmon in all his outfielding glory:

  1. cur68 - Apr 17, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    I’m getting dizzy watching Delmon spin round there. One thing about this; its a no-doubt-about-it. He had plenty of room, was there in lots of time and the ball was well in the air. Can a corn…unless you’re Delmon Young, I guess. Oy.

  2. bigleagues - Apr 17, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    Many official scorers don’t know their ass from their elbow. Many have never played baseball at any level above little league. Which might help explain why this was somehow ruled as anything but an error.

    • rollinghighwayblues - Apr 17, 2012 at 4:34 PM

      Come to college baseball if you want to see a horror in scoring a baseball game.

      • bigleagues - Apr 17, 2012 at 5:32 PM

        I can sympathize – I was begged to score an A-Ten tournament one year because the guy they had couldn’t score an infield play to save his life.

    • fdugrad - Apr 17, 2012 at 6:09 PM

      Playing ball does not qualify as a requirement. Think about these mental GIANTS: Josh Hamilton, Mickey Rivers, Mickey Mantle and RICKEY HENDERSON, who once famously said to a current team mate on the Mariners that he played with a guy who looked like him when Rick was with Toronto. Naturally, it was the SAME player!!! Look at the number of former jocks going from the field straight to the poorhouse after making ONLY fifty to eighty million over their careers!! I will never understand when some people feel as though PLAYING a sport is necessary to be a play-by -play announcer, coach, umpire, sports journalist and now, hits vs. errors??!! Playing a sport qualifies the person as a world-class athlete in a given sport and that’s pretty much it.

      • bigleagues - Apr 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

        First of all, if you want counter my anecdotal points – at least use anecdotal points that have some reasonable merit as a counter to my point.

        Secondly, Josh Hamilton is a mental midget, why? Because he has the disease of addiction? That logic would automatically disqualify Billy Martin, Bobby Cox and a slew other great managers . . . not to mention half the players in any given year that you never hear about.

        Was Hendo Kendo a mensa candidate? No. Was that anecdote you cited true? NO.

        The number of jocks going from the mansion to the poorhouse is actually way smaller than you think. For every Antoine Walker and Lenny Dykstra there are a hundred players who invested and saved wisely.

        Hype over substance. Fantasy over reality. You choose to enjoy the fantastical stories and amplify them way beyond the truth. I choose to do the opposite by simply seeking and recognizing the truth.

        The fact is, I never made the statement that in order to be a “play-by -play announcer, coach, umpire, sports journalist and now, hits vs. errors you need to have been a former player. You assumed that’s what I implied and responded as such.

        I did however suggest, if you knew how to read between the lines and not, say, apply your fiction to my words, that having played a sport above the little league (instructional) level can only give experience and insight to an official scorer that someone who doesn’t have the same experience doesn’t have as a point of reference. Or, (BIGGER PROBLEM) have the good sense to separate their fandom (love or hate of a player or influenced by players reputation) from how they choose to score a play.

        But here’s a thought for you . . . until you’ve have had to successfully defend your scoring choices to a professional baseball player, coach, manager, player development director, league president – and worst of all – the visiting team broadcaster you really have no concept of whats involved.

        If you have, hats off to you. All I can say is I never once had a call overturned. I was challenged several times (because minor leaguers seem to think all Errors are subjective), but I always knew how to explain it within the context of the rules and gameplay.

        The ‘regular’ scorekeeper we had? A genuinely good guy, huge baseball fan and reliable . . . but scoring challenges seemed to be a weekly thing with him. That said, other regular official scorer we had, an ex-jock was great . . . that is, until he got caught with child porn (OK, actually the Police got rid of him for us).

        Finally, I have no problem whatsoever with play-by-play announcers, umpires and journalists having never played beyond Little Leagues. I even know of a high school coach who never played basketball at any level, but he loved the game, learned the game and not only became one of the best coaches in the State, but won State Championships.

        But that, like the examples you cited in your post, are the few and far between exceptions.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Apr 17, 2012 at 6:21 PM

      Official scorers being biased towards the home team is nothing new. Almost always the home team’s player will be awarded a hit if the play’s borderline. But this one was not and the MLB called them on it.

  3. astrosfan75956 - Apr 17, 2012 at 3:53 PM

    Love this, Thanks for posting iPhone compatible video.

  4. Jeremy Fox - Apr 17, 2012 at 3:53 PM

    Tell me again why he’s not the DH?

    • Alex K - Apr 17, 2012 at 4:00 PM

      They have two better DH’s playing more improtant defensive positions? Damn, that doesn’t explain anything!

      • addictedzone - Apr 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM

        Detroit, more errors per DH than any team in the league.

    • kalinedrive - Apr 17, 2012 at 5:40 PM

      Because Brandon Inge at DH in the 8 spot makes sense?
      No, that can’t be it…

  5. Ben - Apr 17, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    He’s showing obvious signs of improvement over last year. Last year he would have sprained his ankle on that play.

    • cur68 - Apr 17, 2012 at 4:19 PM


  6. largebill - Apr 17, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    My first thought was why this one and not others as there is probably an error/hit decision in every game that could be debated. Then I watched the video and saw why this one would get over ruled. One thing you can not tell from the video is how the ball’s path may have been affected by the wind, if at all. Scorers can consider field conditions and weather when deciding if a play should have been made with reasonable effort.

  7. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Apr 17, 2012 at 4:00 PM

    Who hit it?

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Apr 17, 2012 at 4:03 PM

      nevermind, just saw it was DeAza. Poor kid’s stats just took a hit.

  8. WhenMattStairsIsKing - Apr 17, 2012 at 4:03 PM

    Not quite Jose Canseco bad…but if Young has already put this behind him, he’s a pro.

    • phukyouk - Apr 17, 2012 at 4:16 PM

      maybe he just needs a hug?

      • fdugrad - Apr 17, 2012 at 5:47 PM

        You would need to catch him first to hug him and he won’t stand still!!

    • detroitfanatic - Apr 17, 2012 at 4:48 PM

      Worse than Canseco. At least Canseco had a wall to deal with. Delmon had to deal with…..air? gravity? vertigo?

      • cur68 - Apr 17, 2012 at 4:59 PM

        Being Delmon Young.

    • addictedzone - Apr 17, 2012 at 5:39 PM

      He tried to put it behind him, but when he finished the 360 it was back in front.

  9. cardinalcrazy - Apr 17, 2012 at 4:20 PM

    So why would MLB overrule an official scorer who deemed a play an error while not overruling a call by the infamous Jim Joyce, the umpire who blew a call to cost Armando Galarraga’s perfect game. I just don’t get it. I know some will say it’s because an umpire made the call and we have to live with it as it’s part of the game. And yes I agree to an extent but on such an occasion as a perfect game MLB and the Umpire associated should have gotten together and changed that call.

    • cardinalcrazy - Apr 17, 2012 at 4:21 PM

      Sorry, the original scoring was ruled a hit and then MLB overruled it by calling it an error.

    • fdugrad - Apr 17, 2012 at 5:42 PM

      That almost no hitter was my immediate thought as well. This seems as though it is a minor incident compared to the perfect game one.

  10. Tim OShenko - Apr 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM

    Delmon’s one of those players that’s real fun to watch, as long as he’s not on your team

  11. racksie - Apr 17, 2012 at 6:29 PM

    I could watch this all day. And I used to get to to see it for 2-3 hours a day when he was a Twin. He’s like that kid from the movie Parenthood. I have always said, the longer the ball is in the air, the less chance he has to catch it.

  12. racksie - Apr 17, 2012 at 6:32 PM

    You know, I used to mock the guy on the strib website, and I would swear he had the lackies on his payroll sticking up for him. And I would jokingly refer to him doing laps around a fly ball. Now actually did it. Sweet!

  13. sackbombs - Apr 17, 2012 at 8:55 PM

    As a twins fan, this reminded me of that ‘oh crap’ feeling i got everytime a pop up went his direction… No matter how routine

    • racksie - Apr 17, 2012 at 9:01 PM


  14. shaggytoodle - Apr 17, 2012 at 9:52 PM

    Too bad they didn’t overrule what should have been C.C.s no hitter as a Brewer a few yeras ago.

  15. weaselpuppy - Apr 18, 2012 at 12:51 AM

    Fat Geisha makes Raburn look like Yaz in LF….sheesh….

  16. mungman69 - Apr 18, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    I used to follow Princeton baseball and Ivy League official scorers are not very good either.

  17. thom4msu - Apr 18, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    Wow. Reminds me of Linda Blair in The Exorcist.

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