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	<title>Comments on: You might want to steer clear of these two pitching prospects</title>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;Blockquote&gt;And so the pussification of baseball spreads. There is no magic pitch count number.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Regardless of whether there&#039;s a magic number or not, I can&#039;t believe you can say with a straight face that two high school age kids throwing 347 pitches between the two of them isn&#039;t detrimental.

&lt;blockquote&gt;These two kids have about a 1-1,000,000 chance of playing in the MLB. This might be their one shining moment in life. Getting taken out at 100 pitches won’t register in their memory banks other than opportunity lost. Winning or losing this game will.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Absolutely irrelevant.  These are two kids who are out there doing what their adult coaches tell them to do.  There&#039;s no glory or honor in this.  

[Roosevelt quote]

Nothing in there has anything to do with pushing yourself beyond the limits of common sense.  However, since you think taking care of kids is &quot;pussification&quot;, here&#039;s another quote:
&lt;i&gt;The moment you declare a set of ideas to be immune from criticism, satire, derision or contempt; freedom of thought becomes impossible&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And so the pussification of baseball spreads. There is no magic pitch count number.</p></blockquote>
<p>Regardless of whether there&#8217;s a magic number or not, I can&#8217;t believe you can say with a straight face that two high school age kids throwing 347 pitches between the two of them isn&#8217;t detrimental.</p>
<blockquote><p>These two kids have about a 1-1,000,000 chance of playing in the MLB. This might be their one shining moment in life. Getting taken out at 100 pitches won’t register in their memory banks other than opportunity lost. Winning or losing this game will.</p></blockquote>
<p>Absolutely irrelevant.  These are two kids who are out there doing what their adult coaches tell them to do.  There&#8217;s no glory or honor in this.  </p>
<p>[Roosevelt quote]</p>
<p>Nothing in there has anything to do with pushing yourself beyond the limits of common sense.  However, since you think taking care of kids is &#8220;pussification&#8221;, here&#8217;s another quote:<br />
<i>The moment you declare a set of ideas to be immune from criticism, satire, derision or contempt; freedom of thought becomes impossible</i><br />
Salman Rushdie</p>
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		<title>By: natstowngreg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[natstowngreg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have a free (sarcasm button).

[Once upon a time, I co-moderated a football message board where we actually had a button labeled &quot;Sarcasm.&quot;) A poster clicked on the button, and &quot;(Sarcasm)&quot; appeared in the post. We could use something like that on this here blog right here.]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a free (sarcasm button).</p>
<p>[Once upon a time, I co-moderated a football message board where we actually had a button labeled "Sarcasm.") A poster clicked on the button, and "(Sarcasm)" appeared in the post. We could use something like that on this here blog right here.]</p>
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		<title>By: stex52</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stunningly irrelevant. The fact that they may never pitch in MLB or might be disappointed not to pitch the whole game is not an excuse to abuse their physical health. And they are not men free to make their own, informed choices ( a la Jackass) they are part of the public school system. Their coaches owe them a minimum of staying with reasonable accepted practice for athletics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stunningly irrelevant. The fact that they may never pitch in MLB or might be disappointed not to pitch the whole game is not an excuse to abuse their physical health. And they are not men free to make their own, informed choices ( a la Jackass) they are part of the public school system. Their coaches owe them a minimum of staying with reasonable accepted practice for athletics.</p>
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		<title>By: ezthinking</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And so the pussification of baseball spreads.  There is no magic pitch count number.  Players get better by playing, not listening to bloggers and ESPN guys that get paid to talk, not play.  

These two kids have about a 1-1,000,000 chance of playing in the MLB.  This might be their one shining moment in life.  Getting taken out at 100 pitches won&#039;t register in their memory banks other than opportunity lost.  Winning or losing this game will.  This almost 102 year old quote is incredibly appropriate.

&quot;It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.&quot;

Theodore Roosevelt]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And so the pussification of baseball spreads.  There is no magic pitch count number.  Players get better by playing, not listening to bloggers and ESPN guys that get paid to talk, not play.  </p>
<p>These two kids have about a 1-1,000,000 chance of playing in the MLB.  This might be their one shining moment in life.  Getting taken out at 100 pitches won&#8217;t register in their memory banks other than opportunity lost.  Winning or losing this game will.  This almost 102 year old quote is incredibly appropriate.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.&#8221;</p>
<p>Theodore Roosevelt</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, he&#039;s a 3-time manager of the year!  He must know what he&#039;s doing, he&#039;s a great manager...no other way to explain winning that award one fewer time than HOF manager TLR while managing 14 fewer years.

/sarcasm font]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, he&#8217;s a 3-time manager of the year!  He must know what he&#8217;s doing, he&#8217;s a great manager&#8230;no other way to explain winning that award one fewer time than HOF manager TLR while managing 14 fewer years.</p>
<p>/sarcasm font</p>
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		<title>By: jgreiner9</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jgreiner9]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m going to have to disagree with your statement about all high school coaches don&#039;t care, as I&#039;m the varsity head coach of the high school I work for. I absolutely care about my pitchers arms and their aspirations. I don&#039;t ever let them pitch past 100 pitches and for the most part, pull them before that mark. From what I see, that&#039;s how most of the coaches in our district do it as well. That is just simply carelessness and recklessness on those coaches part.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to have to disagree with your statement about all high school coaches don&#8217;t care, as I&#8217;m the varsity head coach of the high school I work for. I absolutely care about my pitchers arms and their aspirations. I don&#8217;t ever let them pitch past 100 pitches and for the most part, pull them before that mark. From what I see, that&#8217;s how most of the coaches in our district do it as well. That is just simply carelessness and recklessness on those coaches part.</p>
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		<title>By: shea801</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, that&#039;s keeping a great young talents best interest at heart.  High school coaches could care less if the kid is pitching in the bigs or even as a senior in college someday as long as his season has more W&#039;s than L&#039;s.  And its the reason there should be limitations imposed on high school programs.  They can&#039;t be trusted to police themselves, so they won&#039;t be.  Someone will/should police them.  

And not to be on my high horse too much, but the Coach has their interest at heart (as we all would).  Other coaches would coach and use an arm without thinking of long term effects.  If one coach does, he/she is at an immediate disadvantage and will more than likely not win too many contest, resulting in them not being a coach anymore.  So I understand why any coach would be driven to ride a talent as much as possible if works to their advantage, I just don&#039;t agree with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s keeping a great young talents best interest at heart.  High school coaches could care less if the kid is pitching in the bigs or even as a senior in college someday as long as his season has more W&#8217;s than L&#8217;s.  And its the reason there should be limitations imposed on high school programs.  They can&#8217;t be trusted to police themselves, so they won&#8217;t be.  Someone will/should police them.  </p>
<p>And not to be on my high horse too much, but the Coach has their interest at heart (as we all would).  Other coaches would coach and use an arm without thinking of long term effects.  If one coach does, he/she is at an immediate disadvantage and will more than likely not win too many contest, resulting in them not being a coach anymore.  So I understand why any coach would be driven to ride a talent as much as possible if works to their advantage, I just don&#8217;t agree with it.</p>
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		<title>By: bravojawja</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bravojawja]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Little League has pitch limits all the way to the LLWS, though they&#039;re higher than what your son faces. Then again, the kids are older. Some of them much older.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little League has pitch limits all the way to the LLWS, though they&#8217;re higher than what your son faces. Then again, the kids are older. Some of them much older.</p>
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		<title>By: stlouis1baseball</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You should be proud Jonny.  Good to hear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should be proud Jonny.  Good to hear.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonny 5</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Destroying a kid&#039;s arm for a stinking high school game is criminal. Something needs to be done imo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Destroying a kid&#8217;s arm for a stinking high school game is criminal. Something needs to be done imo.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonny 5</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonny 5]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s INSANE!

My son&#039;s Little league has a limit, 2 innings or 35 pitches, whichever comes first. It&#039;s kinda low but I guess since they&#039;re 9-10 it&#039;s okay by me. My son was on fire last night and could have pitched a gem. 2 innings, 25 pitches 5 ko&#039;s without a base runner. Proud dad moment? Check.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s INSANE!</p>
<p>My son&#8217;s Little league has a limit, 2 innings or 35 pitches, whichever comes first. It&#8217;s kinda low but I guess since they&#8217;re 9-10 it&#8217;s okay by me. My son was on fire last night and could have pitched a gem. 2 innings, 25 pitches 5 ko&#8217;s without a base runner. Proud dad moment? Check.</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah it is.  Klaw on 4/15 referred to it as &quot;criminal&quot;.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/h00jqv]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah it is.  Klaw on 4/15 referred to it as &#8220;criminal&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.twitlonger.com/show/h00jqv" rel="nofollow">http://www.twitlonger.com/show/h00jqv</a></p>
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		<title>By: rpb1234</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rpb1234]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow.  missed that.  That is f*&amp;ked up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  missed that.  That is f*&amp;ked up.</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They were High School(!) kids]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They were High School(!) kids</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ralph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In other news, Dusty Baker apparently moonlights as a manager for two HS teams in Louisiana...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other news, Dusty Baker apparently moonlights as a manager for two HS teams in Louisiana&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rpb1234</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rpb1234]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There needs to be some protection against this in the NCAA bylaws.  193 pitches is just abusive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There needs to be some protection against this in the NCAA bylaws.  193 pitches is just abusive.</p>
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		<title>By: cereal blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cereal blogger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keith Law makes crepes]]></description>
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