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Postgame drama in Boston: Bobby V part of closed-door meeting, players refuse to talk

Apr 21, 2012, 10:28 PM EDT

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The home clubhouse at Fenway Park was not the most relaxing of places Saturday evening after the Red Sox blew a 9-0 lead to the Yankees in an eventual 15-9 loss, falling to 4-10 on the year.

“I think we’ve hit bottom,” first-year Red Sox manager Bobby Valentine said in his postgame chat. “That’s what I told them after the game. You have to sometimes hit bottom. If this isn’t bottom, then we’ll find some new ends to the earth or something.”

And then came these tweets from beat writers Evan Drellich (of MLB.com), Gordon Edes (of ESPN Boston) and Sean McAdam (of CSNNewEngland.com’s RedSoxTalk):

Valentine will survive Saturday’s collapse, but the Red Sox are in the midst of a five-game losing streak and are struggling in quite a few crucial areas. It’s safe to wonder what will happen if things get any worse.

  1. jwbiii - Apr 22, 2012 at 1:19 AM

    Sounds like a vote of confidence to me.

    • bigleagues - Apr 22, 2012 at 1:24 AM

      No Larry Lucchino in that clubhouse.

      • bigleagues - Apr 23, 2012 at 9:19 AM

        I have read subsequently that Lucchino was, in fact, in the clubhouse.

        All of the initial tweets reporting on the clubhouse meeting excluded Lucchino’s presence.

        I still say he’s the one who needs to be fired or banned by Henry from having any involvement with anything on the field or in the clubhouse.

    • Kevin S. - Apr 22, 2012 at 8:00 AM

      But was it the dreaded vote of confidence?

  2. jeffw - Apr 22, 2012 at 1:47 AM

    Yeah, let’s blame the manager for the fact that we can’t hit or pitch worth a shit. The players should be accountable for their performance and stop looking to place blame. Pedroia is acting like a little bitchpunk… Time to grow up.

    • odj810 - Apr 23, 2012 at 8:44 AM

      I agree that its really not the managers fault. Player performance has to get better. I don’t like bobby V but what do you expect him to do I don’t feel comfterable when anyone from the bullpen comes in.

  3. buffalomafia - Apr 22, 2012 at 2:08 AM

    Tito is coming back!

  4. detroitfanatic - Apr 22, 2012 at 3:29 AM

    That loss was hilarious.

    • uyf1950 - Apr 22, 2012 at 6:58 AM

      Couldn’t agree with you more.

  5. md23rewlz - Apr 22, 2012 at 3:48 AM

    Who cares what Dustin Pedroia, David Ortiz, and Adrian Gonzalez have to say? Boston scored nine runs. That should be enough to win you a game, especially when you’re up 9-0 in the sixth. Did Alfredo Aceves bolt, too, or was he being treated for whiplash from having to watch those balls sail? It’s pretty hard to hit rock bottom after 14 games. Seriously, how can a manager even use the term “rock bottom” in April? The world needs to see more Bobby Valentine sad faces. More. I want more!

  6. neelyisgod - Apr 22, 2012 at 5:55 AM

    It’s an unfortunate situation in Boston for the next several years until all these bad contracts come off the books. Ownership has really wrecked this team.

    • bozosforall - Apr 22, 2012 at 10:47 AM

      Ownership bought you crybabies those two titles, neelttheidiot. Maybe you guys should bring back the Yawkey family. That is what you loser Boston fans really deserve.

  7. detroitfanatic - Apr 22, 2012 at 6:00 AM

    Why can’t I see page 1 of the comments?

    • Kevin S. - Apr 22, 2012 at 8:08 AM

      The other Bobby V. thread is like that, too.

  8. bobdira - Apr 22, 2012 at 7:10 AM

    This is too much fun. Why stop now. Sign Booby V to a long term extension NOW!!!!

    • detroitfanatic - Apr 22, 2012 at 8:18 AM

      That’s what the closed door meeting was about. They extended Crawford, Lackey, Daisuke, and Bobby Valentine. Edgar Renterria has been re signed to play SS.

      This is such a funny situation. Their homegrown talent sucks too. Middlebrooks is so hyped because he is the only decent hitter in the entire minor league organization. If he was a Ray or Mariner, he wouldn’t be as highly ranked. He will probably find himself traded for a relief pitcher too. My eyes are are watering as I type that…….from laughing so hard. I find myself chuckling at how this team very well might finish below the Orioles for the next couple of years.

      Dan Duquette will have his revenge.

      • brewcitybummer - Apr 22, 2012 at 8:38 AM

        Stuck with a meddling owner, an overpowerful manager and a limited payroll I think the only thing duquette will be having is lots of stiff drinks.

      • Kevin S. - Apr 22, 2012 at 9:49 AM

        Are you describing Duquette’s situation or Cherington’s?

  9. daveydawg - Apr 22, 2012 at 7:27 AM

    I hate this team top to bottom

  10. omegadawg4 - Apr 22, 2012 at 8:24 AM

    Bobby Valentine will not be successful in Boston. He believes that he knows baseball better than everyone. He thinks calling his players out in the media is motivation but it will backfire. Epstein would have never hired him

    • daisycutter1 - Apr 22, 2012 at 11:12 AM

      Cherington apparently didn’t want to hire him either.

  11. AlohaMrHand - Apr 22, 2012 at 8:44 AM

    yup letting Francona walk and then vilifying him as he was kicked out the door was indeed a great idea.

    • daisycutter1 - Apr 22, 2012 at 11:14 AM

      The Francona Curse, maybe?

      • deathmonkey41 - Apr 22, 2012 at 1:25 PM

        It’s the Curse of George Mitchell.

  12. ipadcowboy - Apr 22, 2012 at 9:17 AM

    The primary fault lies with the front office, for overrating their entire pitching staff (especially Lester), and allowing their bullpen to become fourth rate, at best. It must be incredibly frustrating to be a player in the field.

    Though I like Cody Ross, he has no business playing center field or right field in Fenway Park. He is totally lost out there, and will continue to be because he simply is not a credible outfielder in that stadium (just look at the way he moves in the field and you will have to agree if you understand baseball).

    So, the front office has completely and inadequately under stocked the Red Sox this year. Much of the blame belongs on Theo Epstein for wildly overspending for a few players, such as Lackey, Matsuzaka, and Crawford. They would have had the money to spend had they not spent nearly a quarter billion dollars on three overrated stars!

    Now they have a misfiring Lester, who is looking worse and worse as the years go by, an awful bullpen, and very little to hope for. Saltalamachia cannot catch balls. Why don’t they allow Lavarnway to be the primary starting catcher?

    Bobby V is a terrible tactician. He brought in his closer for 6 outs AFTER letting Morales put a runner on first base. The subsequent intentional walks were terrible strategic moves, and they all back fired. When Albers pitched Texiera inside it was a great move, and when he went outside Tex took him over the wall, as everyone at my home was predicting.

    This organization is in shambles and will remain this way for the foreseeable future.

  13. gwb15 - Apr 22, 2012 at 9:18 AM

    Bobby V is a gearbox…

  14. bats13 - Apr 22, 2012 at 9:24 AM

    How long is it going to take red sox leadership to realize Bard has got to be in the bullpen. You all can’t be that dumb!

    • damnyankee13 - Apr 22, 2012 at 1:48 PM

      you sure? the hired Bobby V didnt they?

  15. detroitfanatic - Apr 22, 2012 at 9:52 AM

    The sox need to avoid “9” leads. 9 runs yesterday, 9 games last September. Will this be known as the Bobby Valentine’s Day Massacre?

    Valentine would be wise to resign, because he will become a scapegoat, the same way his predecessor was. What I see are a bunch of egos that know they own the town. Like Pedroia telling the media “that isn’t how we do it here”. Anybody ever told their new boss how “we do things around here”? I did once. It was my last time. Or Ortiz bursting into Francona’s post game press conference last year because someone played a joke on him about his contract status. Or the whole beer and Fried chicken thing. I think that is a big deal, when major leaguers would rather play video games, drink and eat than support their team mates. There just seems to be a culture of laziness that isn’t seen in other clubs.

    Look at their in division rivals. Every time I have seen the Rays and Yankees, every player not in the game is on the top step leaning on the rail, rooting on their team mates. I don’t know how much of a difference this makes, but it certainly has to be more productive towards team chemistry than losing a tough game and walking into the clubhouse to find several team mates already buzzing.

    I think it’s time to determine who the clubhouse leaders are, and get them the hell out of town. A few bad leaders can undermine the coach, and chemistry in general. Hopefully that is what the meeting was all about. Shipping someone to San Fran or Colorado for their excessive youngsters would be a cure for this year and next, if they determine Pedroia is a ringleader, which I’m inclined to believe he is.

  16. joewilliesshnoz - Apr 22, 2012 at 10:21 AM

    Bye , bye , Bobby . . .

  17. bozosforall - Apr 22, 2012 at 10:51 AM

    Couldn’t be happening to a more “deserving” bunch of crybaby fans.

    • caliboy415 - Apr 22, 2012 at 12:53 PM

      Can I beat the shit out of u? Plz

      • urfinished - Apr 22, 2012 at 1:38 PM

        Hahaha! Grown men threatening fights on a baseball blog. U proved his point.
        The meltdown from Sox fans is priceless.

      • bozosforall - Apr 22, 2012 at 3:16 PM

        In your dreams, Internet tough guy.

  18. hushbrother - Apr 22, 2012 at 11:17 AM

    “Get the team to start playing better, or else.” I mean, what else could have been the main message of that meeting?

  19. mybrunoblog - Apr 22, 2012 at 11:27 AM

    Can’t blame bbby v when his team coughs up a 9 run lead. Disgraceful.2012 red sox picking up where the 2011 team left off.

  20. deathmonkey41 - Apr 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    Is anyone else having problems getting to previous pages of comments on threads with multiple pages?

  21. isujames - Apr 22, 2012 at 1:13 PM

    Go rape yourself like you usually doy randygnyc

  22. isujames - Apr 22, 2012 at 1:17 PM

    ^ you can try biiiiaaatch!!!!!!!

  23. damnyankee13 - Apr 22, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    heard that Bobby V was going to Boston, I trtied being neutral. To myself I compared him to Joe Torre when he came to the y ankees in ’95. both had mediore records as managers and neither stood out. The boss was given some crap for hiring Torre. But torre turned out great and didnt have an early 1st season like this. I am ashamed of myself for that thought. . Torre blossomed and Valentine will wilt at this rate.

  24. bbil2012 - Apr 22, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    Things are looking up for the Sox.
    Rain the next two days!

  25. rico7207 - Apr 23, 2012 at 12:48 PM

    Trade Pedroia to the Pirates or Padres and show him he is not as needed as he thinks he is. This guy is the cancer on this team and would fail miserably in a real park like San Diego. This will wake the rest up , or ship more out. No one is bigger than the team. NO ONE!!!

    • bigleagues - Apr 23, 2012 at 3:27 PM

      Congratulations!

      You just delivered the most unintentionally comical comment of the year.

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