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Jon Jay returns to St. Louis for tests on shoulder

Apr 22, 2012, 6:23 PM EDT

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Cardinals center fielder Jon Jay was said to be day-to-day after running into the Busch Stadium outfield wall on Thursday afternoon. But it is not a certainty that he’s going to avoid the disabled list.

According to Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Jay was sent back to St. Louis before Sunday’s game in Pittsburgh after failing to make it through an early-morning workout that included batting practice. As Strauss puts it, “Jay told coaches and teammates he experienced discomfort extending through the ball.”

The Cardinals will rely on guys like Skip Schumaker, Erik Komatsu and Shane Robinson in center field while Jay is sidelined. Schumaker left Friday’s game after slamming into the outfield wall at PNC Park but only suffered mild soreness. Komatsu is 3-for-16 (.188) this season and Robinson is 7-for-20 (.350).

Jay, 27, is sporting a stellar .349/.391/.535 slash line with two home runs in 46 plate appearances this year.

  1. westcoastredbird - Apr 22, 2012 at 7:20 PM

    It’s about time to look at a trade for Adam Jones. How about a Jon Jay and Shelby Miller package. Jon Jay will be a serviceable center fielder and Miller is expendable because of the vast depth of pitching in the farm system. Adam Jones is a five tool player that doesn’t come along that often and can be had from the O’s who would bite on Miller. Where in the hell is Matt Adams? The Cards need a 1st baseman and this guy is tearing up AAA pitching. If Jon Jay goes on the DL how can you not bring up this guy! Especially since Lance is on the DL. Matt Carpenter has a nice stick but not what you would want from first base. Maybe 2nd base. Too bad Tyler (I can’t hit major league pitching) Greene has run out of options.

    • paperlions - Apr 22, 2012 at 7:28 PM

      That is 12 kinds of stupid.

      Miller is not expendable because there is no one else in the minors with his ceiling.

      Jones is an over-rated player, poor defender bad On-base skills.

      • spudchukar - Apr 22, 2012 at 10:15 PM

        PL, I swear I did not steal half of your kinds of stupid, it was merely serendipitous, but I like your 12 kinds better.

    • paperlions - Apr 22, 2012 at 8:10 PM

      Last year Jay was as good a hitter as Jones (BTW, easily Jones best offensive year), and Jay is a better defensive CF than Jones. Jones has better tools…he’s just not a better player.

      • spudchukar - Apr 22, 2012 at 9:20 PM

        Spot on PL, I would only make one small tweek to your analysis. I would quantify tools with conventional, cause the traditional 5 tools unfortunately do not include things like effort, brains, attentiveness, and coachability. Jones does appear to be realizing some of his God-given talent, and good for him, it is about time. But with Taveras only a couple of years away, shedding the #1 pitching prospect in all of the minors (according to Keith Law) a trade for Jones would be a knee-jerk transaction, that the Cards are too smart to consider.

        Whether or not it is time to bring Adams to the Big club is debatable, and if Jay needs considerable time off, then perhaps the question begs serious thought, but with Craig only about a week away from joining the club, and the Cards visiting the woeful Cubs, sans Dempster and then a day off on Friday before the Brewers visit, it would be prudent to wait until then to process any player procurement.

  2. westcoastredbird - Apr 22, 2012 at 8:15 PM

    Check out Miller’s line at Memphis. The league’s hitting .327 against him, his ERA is a stellar 6.23 and he has given up 18 hits in 19 innings. I knew when this guy lost 30 pounds in the off season he was a basket case. He went from 195 to 165 pounds and looked like a guy who was on chemo. He also got in some off field alcohol incidents at Springfield. Adam Jones hits 25 bombs a year, drives in 85 and hits around .300. And is NEVER on the DL. In case you haven’t noticed Matt Holliday is not doing much to help the Cards repeat. The burden of carrying that 16 million dollar wallet is causing him to try too hard. This year he takes strikes, looks back at the ump and then swings at a ball. Ask “El Dinero Gigante” AKA Albert Pujols how carrying that fat wallet feels. Dinero’s hitting .246, 0 Dingers and 4 RBI’s and Angel fans are gripping just like the players.

    • thefalcon123 - Apr 22, 2012 at 9:52 PM

      Check out player X’s line in St. Louis. In 3 starts (same as Miller’s), the league’s hitting .373 against him, his ERA is a stellar 10.57 and he has given up 25 hits in 15 innings.

      Player X is Chris Carpenter. Those three starts were the final 3 of 2005…when he won the Cy Young Award. This is why you don’t put that much stock into such small sample sizes.

  3. westcoastredbird - Apr 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    Paper – Adam Jones led all major league center fielders with 16 assists last year and had 12 stolen bases. This guy is just coming into his own. He’s about 60% of where Matt Kemp is now. Adam Jones is proven with a high ceiling and Shelby Miller is unproven with a high ceiling. Kinda like Colby Ramus.

    • paperlions - Apr 22, 2012 at 8:38 PM

      Adam Jones has been around for years and just has not improved. He has a poor career OBP, and he’s defensively inconsistent. Outfield assists aren’t a good measure of anything…it’s like citing fielding %. Jay is the same age and has been a better hitter each of his years in the majors than any of Jones’ years in the majors. He simply is NOT an upgrade over Jay. Jones hasn’t proven anything other than he is a mediocre player.

      Similarly, bagging on Miller (who is 21 yrs old and already in AAA) for a couple of poor starts in the minors is short-sighted…he has dominated at every level so far and been young for every level. He has all the tools to be a top of the rotation starter for years. You don’t give that up for a guy that hasn’t shown he can be an impact player….and Jones has shown nothing of the sort.

      You win or lose with pitching…not with mediocre CFers.

      • mdredbird - Apr 22, 2012 at 9:41 PM

        Paperlions, obviously my last post was in reply to westcoast redbird, not you. Sorry!

    • mdredbird - Apr 22, 2012 at 9:36 PM

      As a resident of Baltimore, they’d probably throw a parade for that trade. I, and 99.9 % of Cards fans, would throw a fit. Jay has been nails since they traded Rasmus. He’s young, have some patience. I won’t comment too much on Miller but give the kid a chance. He’s our potential ace. Sheesh, up by 4 games in the NLC and you’re a bit in panic mode.

    • spudchukar - Apr 22, 2012 at 9:41 PM

      Westcoast, your arguments are 6 ways of stupid. First off the Cards won the World Series in 2011 with Jon Jay in centerfield. He isn’t flashy, but because the Cards spent an arguably disproportionate amount of time waiting for Rasmus to blossum Jay was blocked. A more accurate comparison would be between Rasmus and Jones. Over 6 years in the Bigs, the soon to be 27 year old Jones has amassed a .762 OPS. And his power numbers are inflated by the dimensions of Camden Yards.

      As PL indicated Jay is a much more dependable defender. Qualifying a centerfielder;s abilities using assists alone is bone-headed. With the number of runners the Orioles pitching staff allows, plus the fact the Adams plays shallow, (cause there is no deep in Baltimore) it is more remarkable that he doesn’t throw more runners out of the base paths.

      The only stat that Jones has over Rasmus is that he has been disappointing longer.

  4. paperlions - Apr 22, 2012 at 8:41 PM

    BTW, making shit up about Miller doesn’t help the argument. Oh no…a teen ager out on his own with a bunch of guys a couple of years younger than him had a couple of beers….well shit, he must be useless.

    Love to see a citation for him losing 30 pounds….he’s not 6’3″ and 165.

    • okwhitefalcon - Apr 22, 2012 at 10:02 PM

      30 pounds? Thats just goofy talk. As is the above proposed trade…

      It wasn’t the direction they wanted him going in but hardly any sort of emaciated version of his formal self.

      As for Matt Adams, he’s out with a hyperextended right elbow suffered last night. Not viewed as serious but may keep him out of the Memphis lineup for a few days.

  5. thefalcon123 - Apr 22, 2012 at 9:47 PM

    These Adam Jones posts are all kinds of silly. The Cardinals are currenlty 2nd in the league in runs scored, and only 16 games into the season…so how about we hold off on trading a solid center fielder and top prospect for Adam Jones for the time being.

    Basing anything solid on 16 games worth of data is kind of silly. I think the likelihood of Holiday finishing the year with a .587 OPS is about the same as Kyle Lohse finishing the year with a 0.99 ERA. Right now the Cardinals have a slew of hitters vastly overachieving and Holiday vastly underachieving. Hopefully as the other guys come back down to earth, Holiday will start to mash like he has historically done and Berkman and crew will be back healthy. This is a pretty good offense. Injuries happen and there is no reason to overreact to them in April!

    As far as Miller and Adams go: Adams has exactly 67 PAs above AA in his life. He’s done pretty well…but he has also K’d 15 times in 67 PAs, which is alarmingly high. As he adjusts to better competition, this should go down. But having him leap to the Majors right now could be a pretty big mistake. Miller has just three starts. He has given up waaaaaaaaaaaay to many home runs, but again, this is go way down as the season goes along. One the plus side, he is striking out 13 batters per nine innings. I think he’ll be just fine. Let’s give him more than 3 AAA starts before we declare him a bust, shall we?

    • paperlions - Apr 22, 2012 at 10:17 PM

      All kinds of silly = 12 kinds….just so you know. :-)

      • okwhitefalcon - Apr 22, 2012 at 10:30 PM


        All kinds of silly = 12 kinds of stupid = Goofy talk

      • ajcardsfan - Apr 23, 2012 at 10:51 AM

        Thank you for these comments, they’ve brightened up my Monday at work

  6. stlouis1baseball - Apr 23, 2012 at 2:37 PM

    Mine too AJ. But damn fellows…you are tag teaming Westcoast. Paper seems to have not been satisfied with only insulting the man in his initial post. Noooooo. He has to “one-up” himself by digging deeper. Then Spud jumps on board. Then BOTH Falcons.
    Westcoast: On behalf of OUR fellow Cardinals fans…I want to apologize.
    Now YOU have to apologize for that awful suggestion of trading J.M and Miller for Adam Jones.

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