Comments on: Angel Pagan hits strike four for a three-run game-winning homer

By: blabidibla

blabidibla — Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:57:51 +0000

Can’t argue balls and strikes.

By: ceadderman

ceadderman — Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:40:44 +0000

What was the motion of the ball? Was it tailing downward? If so look how close to the boundary of the strike zone it was. This isn’t a bad call this is your standard fare. How many GIANTS pitches were not called Strikes even if they ended up in the Strike Zone. I saw the “Even though” comment and this article was linked to it so I hadda check to see if someone on the mound balked but was not called for it, or if someone was on base who did not deserve to be. Quit your whining Reds fans we have 3 of the best in all of Baseball on the mound. I guarantee you they get jobbed by calls in every game at least once or twice. That’s the difference between an automated system and human error. Jesus, mountain out of mole hill much?

By: bravojawja

bravojawja — Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:52:56 +0000

I just think back to 1993 and feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

By: bravojawja

bravojawja — Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:51:30 +0000

Those damn Pagans are everywhere. It’s how they’re winning the War on Christmas (TM)!

By: paulydefense

paulydefense — Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:21:58 +0000

I was there. It was great.

VAMOS GIGANTES.

By: cintiphil

cintiphil — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:37:35 +0000

These things all even up. If an UMP misses one call, then it usually doesn’t make the difference. Except in this case, it was a big one. That is IF the pitch was a strike. Lets not second guess these close calls all of the time. It does hurt a lot when you are on the wrong end of this stuff, but it will even out before the year is over. I think we already saw it in this series on the first game.

By: skerney

skerney — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:22:02 +0000

Craig is still mad that posey was safe at second and bobby went out with a loss.

By: nickmiller63

nickmiller63 — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:03:26 +0000

Dude. The fact that you responded blows me away. Skin thin much?

By: sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo

sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:00:26 +0000

Let’s go all wiffle ball and set a milk crate on a folding chair behind the batter. If the ball hits the crate, it was a strike. If not, it was a ball.

Or, Marshall could mix up his pitches a little it better so hitters like Angel Pagan won’t take him 400 ft. He should also avoid walking leadoff hitters like Arias. If there were not 2 men on base, the homer wouldn’t have mattered so much.

By: Craig Calcaterra

Craig Calcaterra — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:58:31 +0000

Yes, you got me. I’ve been harboring a year and a half long vendetta against the Giants and I manifest it in this post. It feels so liberating to finally have it all out in the open. Perhaps now I can begin to heal.

By: thenoblebard93

thenoblebard93 — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:48:28 +0000

Wow Craig, you still can’t get over the fact that the Giants beat your Braves in the 2010 DS. Stop hating and give a little credit.

By: afirst916

afirst916 — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:21:19 +0000

There are no asterisks in life, only scoreboards. -Ari Gold

By: skerney

skerney — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:17:48 +0000

Also there is and extra Pagan in the first sentence of my post. I’m a goof.

By: skerney

skerney — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:14:52 +0000

Pagan, who knows Marshall because they were teammates, struck out Pagan with a curveball yesterday.So Pagan was sitting curveball at 1-2. Marshall and his catcher could have tried to get Pagan to chase outside the zone but instead went back to the curve. Give Pagan credit for a good AB.

By: avodden

avodden — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:05:21 +0000

Strike 2 was a foul. The only called strike was higher than ball 1 (strike 3)

By: joelgold

joelgold — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:03:10 +0000

If I’m looking at this correctly, pitch 1 was a called strike and was higher than pitch 3, which was called a ball. Pitch 2 was lower than pitch 3 but was fouled off. So it wasn’t as inconsistent as you state.

By: ptfu

ptfu — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:59:25 +0000

And this would be easier than, say, retiring the worst umps and rounding up some decent ones? Or somehow strongarming them into calling THE strike zone and not THEIR strike zone? Is the umpires’ union that strong? Is the commissioner that weak? (uhh never mind the last one)

By: tulsatomahawk

tulsatomahawk — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:52:23 +0000

Give the catcher credit for the disputed pitch being called a ball. The catcher’s target was high, above the strike zone and he was almost standing up, blocking the view of the umpire when the catcher shifted to catch the pitch low in the strike zone. The pitcher wasn’t able to throw the pitch called and the umpire called it a ball. Yeah!!! Giants Win!!!

By: spindervish

spindervish — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:49:09 +0000

Pitch 3 was higher than pitch 2, which was called a strike. There’s no rationalizing this…the ump blew it.

By: dondada10

dondada10 — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:33:05 +0000

Strike two was lower.

By: thomas2727

thomas2727 — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:28:25 +0000

Are you sure the foul tip was not caught?

By: rcali

rcali — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:26:22 +0000

The umps can’t be replaced soon enough with a system. Nothing wrong with embracing technology everybody. You wouldn’t want to fly in a plane that had instruments in it from 1950 would you? How about your car? Can you imagine not having to deal with these crying managers and players on every other pitch?

By: crookedstick

crookedstick — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:25:23 +0000

Not to let facts get into the way of your posts, but the “strike 4″ on Phillips Tuesday was a foul tip that wasn’t caught. A call the Giants didn’t dispute.

And Craig, there was 1 out when Pagan was batting. The missed third strike would have been the second out not the end of the game.

By: Matt Bandi

Matt Bandi — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:23:42 +0000

To be fair, the upper and lower limits of the strike zone shown on this image are estimates. If you use Mike Fast’s formula for calculating the typically called strike zone for a RHB of Pagan’s height, the lower limit would be about 1.75 feet, as opposed to the 1.5 feet used in this image. That would make pitch 3 very borderline, essentially a 50-50 call.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=14572

By: PotatoPeeler

PotatoPeeler — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:15:49 +0000

Someone call the waaaahhhmbulance.

By: kopy

kopy — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:14:54 +0000

It’s not who’s better at baseball, it’s who’s better at adjusting to umpire opinion. Right, purists?

By: sictransitchris

sictransitchris — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:13:59 +0000

It might just be me actively looking for mistakes but umpires have been TERRIBLE so far this season.

By: darthicarus

darthicarus — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:11:51 +0000

Mike Matheny finds that strike zone to be adequate.

By: Stacey

Stacey — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:10:34 +0000

The human element! Weeee!

By: thomas2727

thomas2727 — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:10:17 +0000

I guess that makes up for the strike 4 homer Brandon Phillips hit on Tuesday.