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Quote of the Day: Buster Olney on Michael Pineda

Apr 26, 2012, 11:33 AM EDT

Michael Pineda AP

Buster brings some serious truth to the Michael Pineda injury:

The explosion of social media has fueled the desire to identify incompetence, to illuminate failure, to expose the cheaters. Within seconds that news broke that Michael Pineda will miss the rest of the year with a labrum tear, Twitter was flooded with theories — that the New York Yankees blew it, that the Seattle Mariners knew that Pineda was hurt, that there were idiots and schemers … The Mariners didn’t cheat, the Yankees weren’t idiots. It just didn’t work out.

When bad things happen we often look for someone to blame. It makes it much easier to deal with bad news if we believe that it is the result of malfeasance. The scariest part of this world, however, is that the vast majority of bad things that happen … just happen.  Often for no reason at all other than bad random chance.

Baseball player injuries obviously don’t compare to the real bad things, of course, but in their frustrating habit of just … happening, they are pretty similar.

  1. phukyouk - Apr 26, 2012 at 11:37 AM

    i agree 1000% HOWEVER if the boss were still alive someone would be fire today… that much i can promise you. fault or not George always took it out on someone.

    • dodger88 - Apr 26, 2012 at 11:45 AM

      Pre-1990 yes, after that however The Boss finally learned some patience following the couple of years he was not allowed to participate in the day to day operation of the team.

    • WhenMattStairsIsKing - Apr 26, 2012 at 11:47 AM

      Absolutely – and he’d be wrong.

    • kranepool - Apr 26, 2012 at 11:49 AM

      add in Cashman’s infidelities and this injury to Pineda if Boss George were still walking the earth guaranteed Cashman would be the newest member of the Baseball Tonight team

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Apr 26, 2012 at 12:14 PM

        The Boss was pretty forgiving when it came to the off-the-field stuff, as long as the team was winning. Which is as it should be.

        Every trade is a gamble. Every non-trade is also a gamble. While the situation is not great for the Yankees, it is not cataclysmic either, even by baseball standards. Let’s see how Pineda heals and how the next 4 or 5 years go, then we can accurately assess this trade. If Pineda wins the Cy Young in 2014, people will forget about the fact that he missed a season way back when.

      • caeser12 - Apr 26, 2012 at 1:53 PM

        No he wouldn’t, those are only reserved for ex-Red Sox players, as ESPN is now known as NESN Plus.

    • purnellmeagrejr - Apr 26, 2012 at 1:48 PM

      wassa big deal? Monetero ain’t that good.

  2. The Common Man - Apr 26, 2012 at 11:40 AM

    And it still could work out pretty well. Pineda could come back strong. And let’s not forget that Jose Campos, the other piece the Yankees got, is a 6’4″ beast with 23 Ks and a 1.23 ERA in 22 innings in the Sally League as a 19 year old.

    • Stacey - Apr 26, 2012 at 11:43 AM

      Yes to all of the above. This isn’t a trade that will be “won” in 2012. It’s more about the long term future. All of the pieces are relatively young guys.

    • rjostewart - Apr 26, 2012 at 5:50 PM

      I understand why people are preaching the long view approach for sure – Pineda is young, after all.

      At the same time, the list of pitchers who’ve come back from this injury is a short and uninspiring one. This article by Will Carroll is old, but I don’t know that anything about the way this injury gets diagnosed and treated has changed.

      http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2004/05/labrum_it_nearly_killed_him.html

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Apr 26, 2012 at 5:55 PM

        more up to date article, with mentions that Chris Carpenter, Jon Rauch, Curt Schilling (1995!) and Trevor Hoffman all have had this surgery

        http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/2012/04/40745-40745

  3. El Bravo - Apr 26, 2012 at 11:41 AM

    Um, this was Ryan Braun’s fault you fools.

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Apr 26, 2012 at 12:37 PM

      It was the urine collector’s fault. It’s always the urine collector’s fault.

    • anxovies - Apr 26, 2012 at 4:10 PM

      I blame Pettite for waiting until the last minute to come back. If he hadn’t waited the trade would have never happened. Gotta blame somebody.

  4. southpaw2k - Apr 26, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    If anyone knows about bad breaks, it’s Buster Posey. Glad he brought reality back into focus on the whole thing instead of letting conspiracy theories run wild.

    • foreverchipper10 - Apr 26, 2012 at 4:36 PM

      Good thing this quote is from Buster Olney then.

      • southpaw2k - Apr 27, 2012 at 3:23 PM

        Whoops….might help me if I read the name properly.

  5. bigxrob - Apr 26, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    Pedro Gomez never denied he didn’t have prior knowledge of Pineda’s shoulder issue. Hell, he could probably tell the labrum was torn just by looking at him.

  6. angrycorgi - Apr 26, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    Wow. Missing a season because of a torn labia must suck. Wonder how he got it tore up…hrmmm…

  7. nillasark - Apr 26, 2012 at 11:59 AM

    For a guy who’s only a couple months older than me, I would hope that people would be more worried about the future of his career than who is to blame…

  8. marshmallowsnake - Apr 26, 2012 at 12:08 PM

    Wait…the Yankees aren’t idiots?

    • brian32556 - Apr 26, 2012 at 2:57 PM

      marshmallowsnake – Apr 26, 2012 at 12:08 PM
      Wait…the Yankees aren’t idiots?

      Hmmmm, 27 World Championships. No, but you are!

      • marshmallowsnake - Apr 26, 2012 at 3:37 PM

        So winning a baseball game makes them smart?

      • brian32556 - Apr 26, 2012 at 11:18 PM

        It does when the GOAL is to WIN baseball games! DOH!

  9. eshine76 - Apr 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM

    Pineda showed up to camp out of shape, so perhaps this is of his own doing for not doing what was necessary in the off-season to keep his arm/shoulder strong.

  10. Jonny 5 - Apr 26, 2012 at 12:36 PM

    With that said, How unlucky have the Yankees been with acquiring pitchers lately? Feliciano, Soriano, Pineda. Did I miss any?

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Apr 26, 2012 at 12:58 PM

      Hughes, picking Garcia over Colon, Cliff Lee, Cliff Lee again, Joba, Brackman, Marte,

      I don’t know if this is better or worse than any other team though. They also got ridiculously lucky with CC, Mariano, Pettitte, Nova, etc

      • phukyouk - Apr 26, 2012 at 1:43 PM

        I dont know that you can call CC luck. i mean thats like calling the phillies lucky on Doc.

    • antifreeze27 - Apr 26, 2012 at 1:36 PM

      Javy Vasquez says hello. Twice…

    • phukyouk - Apr 26, 2012 at 1:43 PM

      Randy Johnson

      • pharmerbrown - Apr 26, 2012 at 5:35 PM

        picking joba and hughes over kennedy

    • jimbo1949 - Apr 26, 2012 at 8:58 PM

      A little further back, but still in this century: Jeff Weaver, Kevin Brown, Carl Pavano.

      • cackalackyank - Apr 26, 2012 at 11:13 PM

        You left out Kei Igawa.

  11. mybrunoblog - Apr 26, 2012 at 12:50 PM

    Yeah it sounds nice to think that when things go wrong it is simply a case of “just happens” or as Olney says “didn’t work out”….What bull. C’mon, face it. More often than not when things go bad in sports(or in life) there is usually someone to blame for screwing it up somewhere along the line
    We call this “accountability”. Sadly, there is a lack of this in our society.

    • snowbirdgothic - Apr 26, 2012 at 1:56 PM

      I agree. The Yankees failed to do their due diligence by not hiring Professor Ray Palmer, a.k.a. The Atom, to shrink down to microscopic size, get injected into Pineda’s bloodstream, and examine his labrum in person.

  12. charlutes - Apr 26, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    This would make sense except many people, myself included suspected that this was a bad deal for the Yankees from the jump. You dont buy that high on a guy who has 1 great half of a season on his resume.

    • slopmcflop - Apr 26, 2012 at 3:15 PM

      When you’re giving up a piece you know you won’t use for a guy who flashed major potential and is under control for FIVE years and a super prospect in Jose Campos, it ain’t really all that bad.

  13. Reflex - Apr 26, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    Were the Yanks swindled? In a way yes. Jack has been aggressive about using modern analysis of players, focusing on everything from nutrition to mechanics. Pineda has been predicted to be a serious injury risk for a while now due to timing issues related to his motion(mild inverted W), and the M’s knew that. Dealing him was a sell high moment, he was injury prone in the minors, had a fantastic debut, and knowing he was likely an injury risk, they delt him.

    The Yanks are not as advanced in this area, or simply gambled that he could get them through this year and worry about the future later. They lost that bet, but the only reason they couldn’t see this coming is if they are not paying attention to the info available now on pitcher mechanics.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Apr 26, 2012 at 3:55 PM

      What kind of advanced analysis prompted Seattle to give Chone Figgins that absurd contract?

      • hawks1224 - Apr 26, 2012 at 4:12 PM

        BTW: Figgins went 3-5 today with the game winning Double in Detroit. Last year was garbage but he is feeling better in the lead off spot.

      • Reflex - Apr 26, 2012 at 5:38 PM

        If I had to guess it was the absurdly high OBP he had as a leadoff man for the previous several seasons. Hopefully it was a lesson learned about speed guys in their early 30′s. The lack of further bad signings strongly suggests that it was, but I guess time will tell, eh?

  14. bigtrav425 - Apr 26, 2012 at 2:44 PM

    couldn’t not agree with this more!!!….ppl are quick to blame someone even themselves when in the end..the term..Shit happens comes into play.its life accidents happen just the way it works and its not always someones fault

  15. jdillydawg - Apr 26, 2012 at 6:22 PM

    I, for one, would love to believe the conspiracy theorists here, and believe that M’s management is wicked smart. But ss a long time Mariners fan, I’ve seen us make some horrific trades over the years, or bring great players in only to trade them away because we couldn’t stop dwelling in the cellar. I watched Pineda pitch all last season and loved him and questioned the M’s when they dealt him for Montero. In fact, not many people here were pleased with that trade at the time.

    Having just swept the Tigers, however, Mariners fans are singing a bit of a different tune these days and Jesus is helping light up the bats for once. We feel like trading heroes for once!

    That said, I’m bummed for Pineda. I hope he fully recovers and gets back on the mound next year true to his old form. He’s fun to watch and quite possibly, could even make me a Yankees fan…

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