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Andy Pettitte testifies that Clemens spoke of his drug use

May 2, 2012, 9:12 AM EDT

Former Roger Clemens Teammate Andy Pettitte Appears At His Perjury Trial Getty Images

UPDATE:  Well, it was nice while it lasted, but Pettitte’s testimony just became pretty useless.

9:12 AM: There were no surprises in Andy Pettitte’s testimony at the Roger Clemens trial yesterday. Now it’s just a matter of whether the jury believes the 1999 Roger Clemens or the 2005 Roger Clemens to whom Pettitte spoke:

Without emotion, as if he were facing a particularly tough batter, Pettitte said that Clemens admitted to him in 1999 or 2000 that he had used human growth hormone, which is now banned by baseball.

“Roger had mentioned to me that he had taken H.G.H. and that it could help with recovery,” Pettitte said. “You know, that’s all I really remember about the conversation.”

And, Pettitte said without flinching, that Clemens accused him in 2005 of remembering that conversation inaccurately. Clemens said it was his wife, not him, who had used H.G.H.

“Obviously, I was a little flustered because I thought that he had told me he did,” Pettitte said. “My reaction after that was, well, no good asking him or talking to him about this now, and I just walked out, end of the conversation.” …

That’s basically the crux of it all. That and a little bit of Pettitte’s own history with HGH and whether the jury will assume that, due to their closeness and the company they kept, they were both doing the same stuff.

It’s easy to convince yourself, based on what we all know what was going on in 2005, that Clemens changed his story to Pettitte because he was aware — based on the famous Rafael Palmiero/Mark McGwire hearings — that others would be called on to talk about drug use and he wanted to start laying the groundwork for denials.  It’s just as easy to say “man, how dumb would Clemens be to change his story in 2005 when, if he was really using, others would be in a position to say so.” Now, I think Clemens is dumb, actually, but the jury isn’t gonna get to hear about a lot of that stuff, so it may not matter here.

Which is another way to say that it’s hard to say what the jury will take away from Pettitte’s testimony.  And makes me continue to believe that the only thing that matters in this case is what Brian McNamee says, how he says it and what the jury thinks of it.

  1. danindelray - May 2, 2012 at 9:24 AM

    Let’s not forget that Clemens cover-up to Pettitte made no logical sense and could not explain Andy’s recollection that Clemens stated he used HGH. If Clemens’ wife used HGH in 2003 or whatever, and the conversation with Pettitte took place in 1999 or 2000, the Clemens could not have been speaking about his wife’s use.

    This goes straight to Clemens’ credibility. When challenged by a friend, Clemens lied through his teeth. And this will come out to the jury.

  2. latchbeam - May 2, 2012 at 9:27 AM

    McNamee is a shady person at best and Pettitte cant remember the conversation accurately or within a two year time span. Way to bring your A game!! Maybe the reason there is no hard evidence is that Clemens is telling the truth?

    • phukyouk - May 2, 2012 at 9:52 AM

      I agree with everything you said except for this part.

      “McNamee is a shady person at best and Pettitte cant remember the conversation accurately or within a two year time span. Way to bring your A game!! Maybe the reason there is no hard evidence is that Clemens is telling the truth?”

  3. illadelphiasphinest - May 2, 2012 at 9:28 AM

    Lol. ” I wasnt taking HGH my wife was.” hahaha. Yea cause his wife needed to get in shape with and recover quicker to pitch every 5th day. This guy is such a loser. I hope he gets found guilty, thrown in jail and never sees the HOF. Lol “The rocket” needed some jet fuel to a mass his numbers.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - May 2, 2012 at 9:35 AM

      Yea cause his wife needed to get in shape with and recover quicker to pitch every 5th day.

      Whether it works or not, you do realize that a few celebrities (music/acting) have been busted/under investigation for using HGH right? 50 Cent, Mary J Blige, and Sylvester Stallone just to name a few.

      • illadelphiasphinest - May 2, 2012 at 10:03 AM

        Ok so whats your point? Your comparing an actor to a professional baseball player. A baseball player who is throwing his wife under the bus so he can attempt to get away with lying for the sole purpose to stay out of jail and get elected to the HOF. Your statement really holds no relevance to the addressed quote or the topic. An actor taking HGH to bulk up for a movie has nothing to do with a pitcher who was piling numbers up to pad his stats for the HOF.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - May 2, 2012 at 10:39 AM

        Yea cause his wife needed to get in shape with and recover quicker to pitch every 5th day.

        Repeating this, because, again, people other than professional athletes have used HGH for reasons other than getting in shape to pitch every 5 days. How hard was that to understand?

        Now, it’s entirely possible Clemens was throwing his wife under the bus. The guy is a first class asshole.

    • proudlycanadian - May 2, 2012 at 9:40 AM

      Interesting point. Why was the wife taking HGH and when did she do so? I doubt that she took it to aid her recovery from an injury.

      • rsnorth - May 2, 2012 at 10:24 AM

        Debbie Clemens was taking it to get in better shape for a husband/wives photo shoot for Sports Illustrated. But as has been mentioned above, that was years after Rocket told Andy P. that he had used HGH.

      • proudlycanadian - May 2, 2012 at 10:32 AM

        Precisely!

      • aceshigh11 - May 2, 2012 at 10:25 AM

        Didn’t she (or Roger) say that she was taking HGH to help get in shape for a husband/wife fitness photo shoot that they did?

      • shawndc04 - May 2, 2012 at 10:27 AM

        The wife was in some kind of contest or pageant and McNamee injected her to give her better abdominals.

  4. danindelray - May 2, 2012 at 9:50 AM

    One thing I am not sure about – it came out in the hearings that Andy’s wife signed an affidavit affirming that in 1999 or 2000 Pettitte shared with her the fact that Clemens had stated he used HGH.

    Is this being allowed as evidence? If its disallowed because its hearsay, that’s another reason the system is screwed up. Its contemporaneous evidence that Andy’s memory and recollection is correct, and strongly boosts Andy’s credibility.

    I didn’t go to Law school but it just seems wrong if this isn’t admissible.

    • heynerdlinger - May 2, 2012 at 10:23 AM

      Seems like they could get this in if they simply asked Pettitte if he ever discussed this with his wife, and if so, when. It’s not proof that Clemens used, but it’s proof of when he first heard about it.

  5. dlf9 - May 2, 2012 at 10:25 AM

    I love how certain some folks are of guilt.

    Pettitte just testified that, sitting on the witness stand, he is only half confident that he correctly heard Clemens’ statement in ’99/’00. From TJ Quinn’s twitter feed: “Attanasio: Sitting here now, you’re 50/50 that you misunderstood him; is that fair? Pettitte: ‘I’d say that’s fair.’” Then “Attanasio: Ever think he was using HGH or steroids? Pettitte: No.”

    The government has spent countless millions to TWICE try Clemens for obstruction and 100% of their case rests on a lying rapist who was fired from the NYPD because he altered evidence. Thanks George Mitchell!

    • heynerdlinger - May 2, 2012 at 12:29 PM

      So wait, yesterday he thought he heard Clemens say he had used HGH, then tried to change his story, but today Pettitte doesn’t think Clemens ever used?

      How do those statements square? Not that I would support prosecuting Pettitte, but that sounds at least as bad as the evasive answers that Bonds gave during his grand jury testimony.

  6. ejannetta - May 2, 2012 at 10:54 AM

    Pettitte now says he might have misunderstood what Roger said….he stated it’s 50-50 regarding whether the conversation pertained to Roger or Roger’s wife…..case closed…waste of time and $$$.
    NO conviction here.

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