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	<title>Comments on: Andy Pettitte&#8217;s testimony just became pretty useless to the prosecution in the Clemens case</title>
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		<title>By: AlohaMrHand</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 02:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m thrilled to see tax dollars paying for this glorified donkey show.The hell with funding schools and fixing roads as long as we can put a former baseball player on trial for alleged actions that the majority of players in the majors were doing too durin that period.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thrilled to see tax dollars paying for this glorified donkey show.The hell with funding schools and fixing roads as long as we can put a former baseball player on trial for alleged actions that the majority of players in the majors were doing too durin that period.</p>
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		<title>By: kappy32</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 22:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I try cases often. I practice in both criminal defense &amp; commercial &amp; corporate litigation in NY. As any criminal defense trial attorney will tell you, it is imperative that the defense focuses on &quot;reasonable doubt&quot; during their closing arguments more than trying to clear Clemmens&#039; name &amp; state he never used PEDs. You are correct that Pettite&#039;s testimony on cross raises reasonable doubt, but like I said, it is the job of Attanasio that he ties it up in his summation, emphasizing reasonable doubt. Pettite&#039;s testimony was huge to the government&#039;s case because the judge has ruled that McNamee&#039;s past transgressions are fair game for the defense to cross him on. McNamee is not going to come off as being very credible once the jurors hear about his past. The credibility, or lack thereof, of McNamee also creates reasonable doubt for the defense to use in summation. With that being said, Clemmens is extremely worried about his public reputation &amp; becoming a member of the Hall of Fame that I really believe that he is going to try to persuade his attorney to claim that he has never used PEDs, therefore he never lied, in the closing argument phase. If Clemmens&#039; attorney adopts that approach, he would be very stupid &amp; could easily have his client convicted because of that strategy. It seems to be a consensus opinion that Clemmens used PEDs &amp; we aren&#039;t sitting in the juror&#039;s box. It is going to be hard to make the jury believe that Pettite, McNamee &amp; the US government are all lying &amp; out to persecute Clemmens. On the other hand, it will not be very hard to make the jury see that there is some doubt that Clemmens used PEDs &amp; the government was not able to prove it to a moral certainty (a/k/a beyond a reasonable doubt) in light of Pettite&#039;s testimony &amp; McNamee&#039;s past. While this testimony helps, it&#039;ll be up to Rogers&#039;s attorney to seal the deal &amp; bring home the win. Clemmens needs Attanasio to become John Wettland &amp; close out the game come summation time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I try cases often. I practice in both criminal defense &amp; commercial &amp; corporate litigation in NY. As any criminal defense trial attorney will tell you, it is imperative that the defense focuses on &#8220;reasonable doubt&#8221; during their closing arguments more than trying to clear Clemmens&#8217; name &amp; state he never used PEDs. You are correct that Pettite&#8217;s testimony on cross raises reasonable doubt, but like I said, it is the job of Attanasio that he ties it up in his summation, emphasizing reasonable doubt. Pettite&#8217;s testimony was huge to the government&#8217;s case because the judge has ruled that McNamee&#8217;s past transgressions are fair game for the defense to cross him on. McNamee is not going to come off as being very credible once the jurors hear about his past. The credibility, or lack thereof, of McNamee also creates reasonable doubt for the defense to use in summation. With that being said, Clemmens is extremely worried about his public reputation &amp; becoming a member of the Hall of Fame that I really believe that he is going to try to persuade his attorney to claim that he has never used PEDs, therefore he never lied, in the closing argument phase. If Clemmens&#8217; attorney adopts that approach, he would be very stupid &amp; could easily have his client convicted because of that strategy. It seems to be a consensus opinion that Clemmens used PEDs &amp; we aren&#8217;t sitting in the juror&#8217;s box. It is going to be hard to make the jury believe that Pettite, McNamee &amp; the US government are all lying &amp; out to persecute Clemmens. On the other hand, it will not be very hard to make the jury see that there is some doubt that Clemmens used PEDs &amp; the government was not able to prove it to a moral certainty (a/k/a beyond a reasonable doubt) in light of Pettite&#8217;s testimony &amp; McNamee&#8217;s past. While this testimony helps, it&#8217;ll be up to Rogers&#8217;s attorney to seal the deal &amp; bring home the win. Clemmens needs Attanasio to become John Wettland &amp; close out the game come summation time.</p>
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		<title>By: pjmitch</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 19:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AWESOME Godfather reference!!!!]]></description>
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		<title>By: jimbo75025</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 18:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yup-never can get enough GF2 references.......]]></description>
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		<title>By: xmatt0926x</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 18:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it just me or is this maybe a case where Pettite is actually being a genius and knowingly trashing the feds case? It seems to me that a guy in his position wants to testify so he won&#039;t get in trouble yet at the same time he doesn&#039;t want to be the guy that puts the nail in the coffin of Clemens (his onetime great friend). It wouldn&#039;t shock me one bit if he planned to be vague in his memory all along. It&#039;s a win-win for him and an old friend he never really wanted to dime out in the first place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me or is this maybe a case where Pettite is actually being a genius and knowingly trashing the feds case? It seems to me that a guy in his position wants to testify so he won&#8217;t get in trouble yet at the same time he doesn&#8217;t want to be the guy that puts the nail in the coffin of Clemens (his onetime great friend). It wouldn&#8217;t shock me one bit if he planned to be vague in his memory all along. It&#8217;s a win-win for him and an old friend he never really wanted to dime out in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: metalhead65</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 17:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[guess this means they are still friends now right? sorry pettite you lose all credibilty and do not get to hide be hide your born again personna and nice guy image. he either said that to you or he didn&#039;t and since you have claimed all along he did then you are a liar now for not sticking with your story. you and the yanlkees deserve each other and I hope your comeback fails miserably. roger can once again escape the legal syaytem but like bonds not the court of public opinion, he is guilty and like all the other users should not be allowed in the hall.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guess this means they are still friends now right? sorry pettite you lose all credibilty and do not get to hide be hide your born again personna and nice guy image. he either said that to you or he didn&#8217;t and since you have claimed all along he did then you are a liar now for not sticking with your story. you and the yanlkees deserve each other and I hope your comeback fails miserably. roger can once again escape the legal syaytem but like bonds not the court of public opinion, he is guilty and like all the other users should not be allowed in the hall.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Calcaterra</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig Calcaterra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 17:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not that it makes Pettitte look bad. It makes the prosecution look bad because the entire reason they called him was because they said he could show that Clemens said he used PEDs. And now ... he doesn&#039;t know it all. He has no credibility as a witness on the one point he was called to establish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not that it makes Pettitte look bad. It makes the prosecution look bad because the entire reason they called him was because they said he could show that Clemens said he used PEDs. And now &#8230; he doesn&#8217;t know it all. He has no credibility as a witness on the one point he was called to establish.</p>
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		<title>By: raftershostmom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raftershostmom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 17:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Best post of the day!]]></description>
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		<title>By: nixonotis</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 17:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Other then his past PED use (of which we already knew), what exactly makes Pettitte look bad here?  He&#039;s under oath and is being (presumably) truthful when he says that he cannot be sure whether or not he &quot;misheard&quot; Clemens 13 years ago.  I can&#039;t remember what my wife told me yesterday, let alone over a decade ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other then his past PED use (of which we already knew), what exactly makes Pettitte look bad here?  He&#8217;s under oath and is being (presumably) truthful when he says that he cannot be sure whether or not he &#8220;misheard&#8221; Clemens 13 years ago.  I can&#8217;t remember what my wife told me yesterday, let alone over a decade ago.</p>
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		<title>By: dk56</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dk56]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 17:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Both actually..
Either he heard Clemens say it or he didnt..Dont say you heard him say it if you dont know for sure.  Prosecution should not have put him up there unless he was clear to what he had heard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both actually..<br />
Either he heard Clemens say it or he didnt..Dont say you heard him say it if you dont know for sure.  Prosecution should not have put him up there unless he was clear to what he had heard.</p>
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		<title>By: sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 17:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You had a typo in that last sentence: you wrote &quot;Pettitte&quot; when you meant to write &quot;The prosecution.&quot; Totally understandable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You had a typo in that last sentence: you wrote &#8220;Pettitte&#8221; when you meant to write &#8220;The prosecution.&#8221; Totally understandable.</p>
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		<title>By: dk56</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dk56]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 16:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure how you can misunderstand that... Either 1) Clemens said that he took the roids or 2) Clemens said his wife took the roids..  One answer is shocking and unforgettable, the other would raise an eyebrow..

Pettite looks like a dufus in this whole mess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure how you can misunderstand that&#8230; Either 1) Clemens said that he took the roids or 2) Clemens said his wife took the roids..  One answer is shocking and unforgettable, the other would raise an eyebrow..</p>
<p>Pettite looks like a dufus in this whole mess.</p>
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		<title>By: sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 16:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let it all soak in, folks. You are paying for this. Government at work.

So the case is: a drug user may or may not have hear Clemens talk about drug use, and a drug dealer says Clemens used drugs and has a dirty needle in a dirty soda can to prove it.

How much does an average trial cost the government?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let it all soak in, folks. You are paying for this. Government at work.</p>
<p>So the case is: a drug user may or may not have hear Clemens talk about drug use, and a drug dealer says Clemens used drugs and has a dirty needle in a dirty soda can to prove it.</p>
<p>How much does an average trial cost the government?</p>
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		<title>By: hsven1887</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 16:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was just the expected statement. Did anybody really expect something else?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was just the expected statement. Did anybody really expect something else?</p>
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		<title>By: crisisofinfinitephils</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 16:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[50% chance he misunderstood? WTF is that? How is it this guy always gets a pass? He&#039;s a fraud like everyone else involved. Just stop this farce and save everyone from this embarrassment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>50% chance he misunderstood? WTF is that? How is it this guy always gets a pass? He&#8217;s a fraud like everyone else involved. Just stop this farce and save everyone from this embarrassment.</p>
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		<title>By: yankeesgameday</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 15:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did clemens bring in Pettite&#039;s brother from sicily and sit him in the back of the court room?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did clemens bring in Pettite&#8217;s brother from sicily and sit him in the back of the court room?</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 15:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...headline whoring.

Dear Buddha, I hate cellphone qwerty keyboards almost as much as meerkats.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;headline whoring.</p>
<p>Dear Buddha, I hate cellphone qwerty keyboards almost as much as meerkats.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 15:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s terrific to have a seasoned attorney on hand in cyberspace to point out when testimony becomes  too vague or potentially self-contradictory to be useful. Imagine A world in which they were that usefuland perspicacious in real life! I mean, where would we get our politicians and headline shoring Federal prosecutors from?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s terrific to have a seasoned attorney on hand in cyberspace to point out when testimony becomes  too vague or potentially self-contradictory to be useful. Imagine A world in which they were that usefuland perspicacious in real life! I mean, where would we get our politicians and headline shoring Federal prosecutors from?</p>
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		<title>By: sdelmonte</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 14:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pettitte will be sent back to municipal court for two more trials before being called back to the Feds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pettitte will be sent back to municipal court for two more trials before being called back to the Feds.</p>
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