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May 4, 2012, 1:00 PM EST

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I’ve had a little back and forth with Nats fans on Twitter today over “Natitude” a the whole “Take Back the Park” thing for this weekend’s series against the Phillies.

Now, I don’t need to prove to anyone what I think about a certain brand of Phillies fan, so believe me, when I say this, it’s not because I think it’s just peachy that Phillies fans have made Nats Park their new home.  But that’s beside the point.  My view — and I realize not everyone shares it — is that the Nats should have just laid low about it all and not make a big deal over Phillies fans taking over the park.  I think that the whole initiative reeks of insecurity and may actually have the opposite effect, encouraging Phillies fans.

Check out the scene in Philly – from the Philadelphia Daily News — as people board buses for DC:

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Now, tell me: when they get to Nats Park today, are they gonna have a great photo op under the banner pictured on this post over at DC Sports Bog?

I dunno. I just think that you win games, ignore idiots and eventually you have your park filled with loyal, local fans.  Like any bully, you just encourage these guys with such a major reaction.

  1. goskinsvt - May 4, 2012 at 1:08 PM

    So basically the Nats management has enticed more philly fans to come to the game, thus creating more press and higher attendance? Seems like they accomplished their goal to me.

    • Phillies Homer - May 4, 2012 at 1:21 PM

      The game would have been sold out regardless (probably the only time Nats stadium gets sold out). And if it’s anything its bad press that the Nationals are getting. Why would they want to bring to light their inability to sell tickets? And it’s a smack in the face to all the Nationals fans that they need a special “take back the park event” to even get them to buy a ticket.

      I see myself as a pretty calm and respectable Phillies fan (who will be there on Saturday)… But all the Nationals did was instigate the “crazy Phillies fans” to attend who can’t wait to rub in the fact that the Nationals were unsuccessful in taking back their own park!!

      • umdred11 - May 4, 2012 at 1:57 PM

        “I see myself as a pretty calm and respectable Phillies fan”

        Because you TOTALLY would admit if you weren’t, right?

      • tcostant - May 4, 2012 at 1:58 PM

        The Nationals sold out opening day vs. the Reds and also all the games vs. the Yankees are also sold out. Right now only Saturday is sold out for the Phils.

      • Phillies Homer - May 4, 2012 at 3:00 PM

        tcostant – I’m not sure whose point you’re trying to prove. Yankees fans travel extremely well too, so that game is sold out b/c of New York.

        So, the Nationals have a take back the park promotion that prevents people from the Philly area from buying tickets and CAN’T sell out 2 of 3 games in a series? Sounds like a good way to not make money and add fuel to an already rowdy fan base. Good job D.C.!

      • CJ - May 4, 2012 at 3:02 PM

        homer,

        there’s an old saying “any press is good press”. While not always true, I think it would apply in this case. They’re getting bad press in Philly, but seems to be mostly positive press in Philly-south, which is all they care about anyway.

        And based on the national perception of Philly, if Philly gives it negative press, that pretty much means its positive press everywhere else. Not trying to play a victim/woe is Philly card, but that’s pretty much reality at this point.

  2. mybrunoblog - May 4, 2012 at 1:09 PM

    For what it’s worth I’ve been to the Phillies ballpark a few times and did not find their fans as bad as I expected. Surprisingly pretty well behaved. Never seen them on the road however.
    Now Philidelphia football? That’s another story. They’re animals anyway so let them lose their souls.

    • mdpickles - May 4, 2012 at 1:40 PM

      Hello there, Hyman Roth? As an Eagles season ticket holder and partial season plan for the Phils, this is 100% accurate. However, since the Linc opened up, the hooliganism has dropped inside the stadium quite a bit, as the threat of losing your seat license is very real. Outside the stadium is still a zoo.

    • sasquash20 - May 4, 2012 at 1:54 PM

      First, way to get a great God father line in there. 2nd the Phillies new ball park is what all ball parks should be like. Great environment for baseball, family friendly fun times. As far as the football games go your wrong. Since my beloved Vet was torn down and that corporate POS Linc was put up the fans just aren’t the same. The drunkards, and crazy people just can’t flourish at the Linc like they did at the Vet. I miss the Vet for football games(not at all for baseball games). Its the parking lot where it is the craziest now for football games.

  3. Jonny 5 - May 4, 2012 at 1:11 PM

    The only bullying I suspect will be Strasberg bullying Kendrick. Yikes, what a match up.

    • heyblueyoustink - May 4, 2012 at 1:20 PM

      On the same page. I might be relegated to watching Sixers basketball tonight or On Demand some aqua teen hunger force.

      • Utley's Hair - May 4, 2012 at 1:39 PM

        I sure hope to hell there’s no letdown on the Sixers part. They need to hold on to that home court advantage.

      • heyblueyoustink - May 4, 2012 at 3:04 PM

        Whow knows with Chaiman Collins running the show.

    • Utley's Hair - May 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM

      But then it’s Vanimal and Hollywood.

      • Jonny 5 - May 4, 2012 at 2:04 PM

        That’s right. I’m not saying our boys are sunk. Just that I expect Strasberg to pitch a clinic to Kyle K.

  4. heyblueyoustink - May 4, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    Poking the lion. Should make for a great game environment, only downer being that stiff Kendrick starting for the Phils tonight.

  5. burgundyandgold - May 4, 2012 at 1:16 PM

    I have been in Philly now for 12 years but I grew up in the DC area. I am of an age where I grew up a Redskins and Orioles fan – there was no football in Bmore and no baseball in DC. I could care less about the Nationals but am die hard Redskins fan – and still care about the O’s a lot. That said, Phillies fans are not near as bad as their Eagle counterparts – even when they are the same individual people. Baseball does not lend itself to the same level of violence as football. But, the Nats should not have provoked this hornets nest but I would imagine most Phillie fans will be non-violent and good natured about it all. If fans of both teams just chill it will be fine. HTTR.

    • natstowngreg - May 4, 2012 at 3:46 PM

      Phillies fans at Nats Park tend to be obnoxius, but not violent.

  6. burgundyandgold - May 4, 2012 at 1:18 PM

    One other comment. Eagles fans are truly scary bad people. If they are under 30 stay far away from them because they have no sense and are likely too drunk to remember trying to beat you up. The older ones need their jobs too much to go to jail so they tend to be a little less violent – but still, do not approach and stay clear.

    • sasquash20 - May 4, 2012 at 1:56 PM

      Your way off. way to lump all fans together.

      • CJ - May 4, 2012 at 3:06 PM

        see what most fail to realize is that THIS is part of the problem, if people say moronic stuff like this to a Philly fans face, it makes us quite tempted to prove him right. Not because he is, just cuz he deserves to be.

  7. atworkident - May 4, 2012 at 1:19 PM

    DC doesn’t support its teams very well.

    The Redskins seats always have empty seats or fill them with Cowboy fans and the Caps playoff tickets didn’t sell out until the day of.

    • mrwillie - May 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM

      Yes and no, I would say. DC is a migrant town. No one who lives in DC is actually from DC. That being said, Skins fans are some of the most loyal, but they don’t always show up on game day that’s for sure. I would guess they are most likely all in the burbs and beyond. Probably don’t want to mess with beltway traffic to see a crappy team.

      The Nat’s are different. Such is any expansion team. Most people are probaly still O’s fans or like I said before, transplants. Give a few years and some winning seasons, they may catch on with DC folks. I am not from DC but I visit a lot for family. It’s a nice park to go to. Easy to get to on the Metro and can always get tickets.

    • 18thstreet - May 4, 2012 at 1:49 PM

      I think there’s a lot of truth to this, but I also think the tickets at Nationals Park are grossly overpriced (for the quality). I’m not sure if the evidence backs that up.

      • natstowngreg - May 4, 2012 at 1:59 PM

        Not really. The most expensive seats are $325, right behind home plate. Upper deck seats are as low as $5 (day of game purchase only). Our (half) season ticket seats are in the club level, right at 3B, nice seats, $50. I shudder to think how much they would cost at Fenway or Yankee Stadium.

        Of course, as the Nats win more and draw more, those prices could skyrocket. Right now, the Nats don’t have the leverage to charge the really big prices.

      • 18thstreet - May 4, 2012 at 2:02 PM

        Those $5 seats are awful. I’m mostly talking about what $40 buys.

        The upper deck at Nats Park is about four miles above the playing field. I hate it there.

  8. Utley's Hair - May 4, 2012 at 1:35 PM

    All I have to say is that this is the first time in several years that I didn’t get an email from the Nationals—through the Phightins organization obviously, but from the Gnats nonetheless—begging me to buy tickets to the Phils games in DC.

  9. mdpickles - May 4, 2012 at 1:36 PM

    Hey Craig, you know what the Nationals don’t need to worry about? Braves fans overrunning Nats park.

    • bravojawja - May 4, 2012 at 1:57 PM

      That’s a 700 mile drive, pickles. Why spend 10 hours in the car or an overnight ride on Amtrak when every TV in every bar in town will have the game on?

    • Chip Caray's Eyebrows - May 4, 2012 at 2:43 PM

      This is pretty stupid for at least a couple reasons I can think of offhand. Probably a couple more if I really wanted to think about it for a few minutes.

  10. marinersnate - May 4, 2012 at 1:36 PM

    “Check out the scene in Philly – from the Philadelphia Daily News — as people board buses for DC”

    So does no one in Philadelphia own a car??

    • woodenulykteneau - May 4, 2012 at 1:49 PM

      Three letters: DUI.

      • b7p19 - May 4, 2012 at 1:54 PM

        And one word, Parking.

    • sasquash20 - May 4, 2012 at 1:58 PM

      Due to the take back the park BS many group bus trips have been put together. And if they are drinking it shows they are doing so responsible. So eat it suckers!

  11. legaleagle513 - May 4, 2012 at 1:46 PM

    Craig, you are an idiot.

    • nategearhart - May 4, 2012 at 2:34 PM

      At least provide some kind of reason for the insult, you vapid shit.

      • Chip Caray's Eyebrows - May 4, 2012 at 2:48 PM

        I shall now eagerly anticipate my next opportunity to call somebody a vapid shit.

  12. 18thstreet - May 4, 2012 at 1:47 PM

    In my experience, Philadelphia fans are as miserable as their reputation. I’ve been to Eagles-Redskins (good seats, in Philly); Red Sox-Phillies (pretty good seats at the Vet); and Flyers-Caps (cheap seats in DC).

    I don’t want anything to do with them, especially now that I have kids. No way on earth I’d go near a Philadelphia game with my kids.

    Enjoy the park, Phillies fans. Please don’t vomit on the Metro.

    • sabatimus - May 4, 2012 at 1:59 PM

      Or the off-duty cop and his daughter in the seats in front of you.

      • 18thstreet - May 4, 2012 at 2:01 PM

        “That’s so unfair!” they say. To which I respond: if you don’t want to be known as the fan base that vomits intentionally on little girls, then stop vomiting intentionally on little girls.

        Animals.

      • xmatt0926x - May 4, 2012 at 2:37 PM

        To which I respond if your going to trash Philadelphia fans based on that incident, make you understand that the loser who vomited on that fan wasn’t from Philly at all. That little fact was brushed under the carpet in the desire to tell the story as people want to hear it. It’s just not as juicy to do the “horrible Philly fan” story if you let people know the kid wasn’t even a Philadelphian. Of course we know the media would never sensationalize anything though, right? Glad you brought it hook, line, and sinker though. The famous pic of the kid who got tasered? Also not from Philly but yet another amateur hour child trying to live up to the reputation. But again, lets just label that as another Philadelphian behaving badly and just leave it at that for the national audience. We also know that no fans ever run onto the field at any other stadium and if they ever did, it would get just as much attention as the “philly” episode did. Grow up and stop bashing fans based on the simple fact that your a fan of a different team from a different city.

    • Jonny 5 - May 4, 2012 at 2:09 PM

      I’ve never vomited on anyone. Neither has anyone I know. Seriously though I feel bad for your children as they may learn to stereotype people as badly as you do. The ignorance of some people is astounding. I pick the Phillies fans over the likes of you. Truth be told.

      • 18thstreet - May 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM

        And only four times in my life have I seen a fan vomit in his seat; three of them were at the Philadelphia games referenced in my first post; the fourth was at Fenway (one times out of 20 trips).

        It would be stereotyping if it weren’t based on my experience. I think you have it confused with “hatred.”

      • sabatimus - May 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM

        Ignorance? There’s plenty of evidence to back up the claim that Philly fans are terrible. Granted, saying ALL or even most Philly fans are jerks is probably incorrect (I don’t know any Philly fans other than the ones I see in the media doing dumb things), and as such there is stereotyping, but that stereotyping is there for a reason. When someone sticks their fingers in their mouth and intentionally vomits on people in front of him, when a significant portion of a stadium boos Santa Claus…those things stick with you. And those are only off the top of my head.

      • b7p19 - May 4, 2012 at 2:23 PM

        Santa Clause was drunk! Of course he should be booed!

      • 18thstreet - May 4, 2012 at 2:25 PM

        A really good friend of mine (a Phillies fan) was talking about how Phillies fans had recently booed Cole Hammels for a REALLY good reason: he was pitching poorly. It’s because they’re so f’ing knowledgeable, and care oh-so-much.

        THAT’S why they boo everything that doesn’t go their way. Passion!

      • 18thstreet - May 4, 2012 at 2:40 PM

        A drunk Santa Clause. That’s an appealing addendum to the story. Really makes Philadelphia look better!

      • xmatt0926x - May 4, 2012 at 2:46 PM

        Nice sabatimus. You actually speak rationally and god forbid admit that not every fan should be labled as bad and then you bring up the 50 year old Santa booing nonsense as if it has any relevance close to 6 decades later(and leave out the context of the whole story of that incident as everyone does , of course). And you wonder why Philadelphia fans get defensive.

      • Jonny 5 - May 4, 2012 at 3:00 PM

        So 3 idiots have cemented your opinion of a million. THAT makes sense. And yes, THAT IS stereotyping. So I guess all Afro-American people love rap, all Jews have curly locks flowing down the sides of their faces and all Irishmen are drinkers too right? Woo hoo! who else can we hang a label on while we’re at it?

      • CJ - May 4, 2012 at 3:16 PM

        I’ll tell you what though. I’ll NEVER go to LA. I hear they beat opposing teams’ fans within an inch of their life. It’s deplorable! Don’t those people’s mothers teach them anything?! How can Dodger fans live with themselves? I’m shocked MLB, NBA, NHL, etc. hasn’t shut their teams down and move them out of town to a city that knows how to behave better.

        What’s that? 10’s of millions of fans enjoy LA games each year and the incident rate is less than .001%.

        Oh. Yeah, well, ahem, right, cough cough, I know, but still, the HORROR!

      • schmedley69 - May 4, 2012 at 7:54 PM

        Jonny 5 – you nailed it. It always amazes me how stereotyping is frowned upon is just about every walk of life, but it’s perfectly acceptable when it comes to Philly fans. It really burns me up. I grew up in MD, but my Dad was from Philly, and he, my Grandfather and my Uncles were all huge Phillies/Eagles fan. I became a Philly fan because of them. They are great people and great fans. I am so sick of Philly fans being trashed endlessly, when it is a small group of idiots who have caused the trouble.

    • badmamainphilliesjamas - May 4, 2012 at 2:16 PM

      @18thstreet –
      Seriously? The fan base that vomits intentionally on little girls?

      • sabatimus - May 4, 2012 at 2:23 PM

        His statement began with “if you don’t want to be known as…”. You’re actually quoting him out of context. He’s not saying the entire fan base vomits intentionally on little girls. But surely you’re familiar with the high-profile incident of a fan who did? That might have been blown up by the media, but that’s because it was such a despicable, disgusting, and seemingly uncommon act. Fights happen in stadiums across the country all the time. Those don’t get reported unless someone is critically injured. Why? Because they’re common. What Matthew Clemens did was NOT common, and as such was blown up by the media. But 18thstreet’s point was being KNOWN as the fan base that does such things. Obviously not every fan does it.

      • badmamainphilliesjamas - May 4, 2012 at 3:05 PM

        I love going to CPB. If you think it’s filled with drunken idiots, don’t come…I’m not going to try to convince you.
        But the “booing Santa Clause” meme is just lazy–it happened in 1968.

        http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7377416/philadelphia-eagles-fans-once-booed-santa-santa-jovial-63-year-old-frank-olivo-loves-philly-teams

  13. undsputed - May 4, 2012 at 1:53 PM

    “DC doesn’t support its teams very well.”

    As someone noted above, DC is among the best in football. There are a lot of Redskins fans, and the team has a wailist for tickets. The Capitals likewise have a list for season tickets too.

    This whole Philly fan thing will be decided on the field (I’ll take Strasburg, Gonzalez, and Zimmerman in this one). There was a time when no one attended Phillies games either. Check the facts in their attendance records to see when they had less than 20,000. Winning changed that, and losing will change it back. Their window is closing, and if they don’t finish better than their current position right now, Phillies management will be ready to consider cleaning the closet out in favor of competing in the future.

    • sasquash20 - May 4, 2012 at 2:05 PM

      Much of that was as protest against cheap owners(at the time). They got a new stadium and have spent money since. Now we fill it almost every game. And its not like Fenway that only holds like 30,000, we hold over 40,000. Winning will always fill the park. But the new ball park is a fun place to be and even when the window closes on this team that ball park will still sell more then the vet ever did.

      If we are hanging around when Howard and Utley get back then we have a good shot at winning another division title, and or WS.

      I do agree the Nats have the pitching edge this weekend, though neither team is hitting very well.

    • schmedley69 - May 4, 2012 at 7:56 PM

      The Redskins waiting list is complete fiction. They send out ticker offers in the mail every year begging people to buy tickets. They had to tear out a bunch of seats in the upper deck and create “party decks” because they could sell the tickets. Philly blows D.C. away as a sports town. It’s not even close.

  14. Chris Fiorentino - May 4, 2012 at 2:17 PM

    Now that this site isn’t slower than molasses for me at work(don’t know what happened or what changed but I’m not getting the errors I was getting for months) I will throw my two cents into tonight’s matchup.

    Here’s a list of the starters who have held the Phillies to…
    0 ER in 6+ innings this year: Niese, Cain, Luebke, Bass, Garza
    1 ER in 6+ innings this year: Karstens, Dickey, Pelfrey, Weiland, Maholm
    2 ER in 6+ innings this year: McDonald, Sanchez, Bumgarner, Beachy, Delgado

    So 15 out of 26 games, the starting pitcher threw a quality start. 15 out of 26. That’s almost 60%.

    Kyle Kendrick is pitching tonight. Against Strasburg. And the Phillies opened up a 2 to 1 underdog tonight(-200).

    Why would I have any confidence at all that the Phillies have a chance to:

    1) Win?
    2) Score?
    3) Stop the Nationals from scoring?

    Tonight has all the makings of an 8-0 blowout with a complete game 3-hitter being thrown by Strasburg and Kendrick not making it out of the 3rd inning. Any Phillies fan who has confidence going into tonight’s game is fooling himself/herself.

    Now, that being said, the Phillies are still going to get hot and win the division. But tonight is the perfect(or not so perfect) storm. Strasburg-Kendrick is like Thor-Captain America pre-juice. As a matter of fact, it’s like Thor vs Captain America POST-JUICE too. Thor rules.

  15. pbsenerchia - May 4, 2012 at 2:22 PM

    Craig – that’s not actually the scene in Philly today; as stated in the article’s comments, that’s from a prior Philly invasion at Nats Park. (Note all the Nats gear in the pic.)

  16. xmatt0926x - May 4, 2012 at 2:50 PM

    Here’s a simple solution to the Nats problem with opposing fans invading the park. Buy some tickets! Why is that so hard? The Nats have a good team this year and will likely contend for the division or at least a wildcard spot this year so they should have no problem getting more than 20,000 a game , right?We’ll see.

    • The Dangerous Mabry - May 4, 2012 at 3:02 PM

      “entering Thursday night, the club was averaging 23,839 fans through 12 home games (21st in the major leagues), as opposed to 24,877 for all of last year ”

      Sounds like 20,000 a game isn’t really an issue.

    • pbsenerchia - May 4, 2012 at 3:05 PM

      Nationals average attendance in 2012: 23,839 per http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-baseball/18961910/ian-desmond-is-worried-about-nationals-attendance-should-he-be

      Facts are wonderful things. Team got here in 2005, and this is the first season since then that they’ve been any good. All this crap – and believe me, many of us Nats fans find a lot of this embarrassing, even while agreeing with the underlying sentiment – has to do with the behavior of some of the Phillies fans who came, and the fact that Nats fans were beginning to avoid Phillies games, or at least refuse to bring their children.

      Most Phillies fans are cool, but there seems to be a subset that loves the reputation and makes it a point of pride living up to it.

      • 18thstreet - May 4, 2012 at 3:39 PM

        24,000 a game doesn’t sound bad to me. That’s more fans than the Phillies drew in 2002 (they’ve exceeded that number every year since).

        Someone has to be the back of the bell curve. Nothing to be proud of, but we’re not talking Montreal Expos numbers. I don’t think Nationals fans deserve to be bashed for it. What they should be bashed for is being INCREDIBLY passive fans who cheer louder for the Presidents’ Race than anything that happens during the game.

      • natstowngreg - May 4, 2012 at 4:00 PM

        Agree with the underlying sentiment? Absolutely.
        Embarrassed? Not really. Though I do agree that the attempt to block Phillies fans from coming is misguided.

        I know people who won’t go to Phillies games because of the poor behavior of some visiting fans. Doesn’t deter me at all. There can be rewards, like the series last August when the Nats shut up the infestation twice in three games with come from behind, walk-off wins.

        It’s also worth noting that every team’s fandom has a subset of jerks, often fueled by beer. When a team is winning, more of the drunken jerks show up, drag down their team’s image.

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