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Charlie Manuel: Cole Hamels should have kept his mouth shut

May 7, 2012, 6:22 PM EDT

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Philadelphia Inquirer writers Bob Brookover and Matt Gelb were in the Phillies clubhouse this afternoon and got the general feeling that teammates were fine with Cole Hamels‘ actions last night, but not so much that he talked about it afterwards.

Manager Charlie Manuel said as much prior to Monday’s game.

“He could have been a little more discreet about it,” Manuel said. “He could have been a little less honest.”

Hamels got a five-game suspension after admitting to hitting Bryce Harper with a pitch in the first inning Sunday. It’s highly unlikely that there would have been any penalty had he chosen not to talk about it.

“You cannot be honest,” reliever Chad Qualls said. “You cannot be honest.”

  1. ipadcowboy - May 7, 2012 at 7:03 PM

    Yes, he should have kept quiet, but Harper showed him up by stealing home!!

    • sasquash20 - May 7, 2012 at 8:07 PM

      except Cole dominated the rest of the game and would have went all 9 but the Phils dropped 6 on them in the 9th so no point to have him keep pitching.

      • baseballisboring - May 8, 2012 at 2:20 AM

        Yeah, but now you’re talking about the whole team. As far as a 1 on 1 situation between two guys, Harper threw the HBP right back in his face, and it was glorious.

      • siftin thru nonsense - May 8, 2012 at 10:44 AM

        -would have gone-

    • delawarephilliesfan - May 8, 2012 at 9:19 AM

      Yes, but be honest Nats fans….you didn’t simply want Harper to do well, you wanted to pound Hamels. And the Nats did have a lead in that game. IMO, it was a bit of a draw who go the last laugh – Harper had a good game (but did drop the 3rd out of the 9th, and the Phillies scored 2 more runs), and Hamels dominated. So……

      It is wrong to hit a batter, period. There, I said it. Now Nats fans, please – get a grip.

  2. sabatimus - May 7, 2012 at 7:05 PM

    Yeah, honesty really really sucks. It’s a terrible personal failing.

  3. jssgriffi - May 7, 2012 at 7:30 PM

    MLB punish for this is horrible. What the hell is the difference in suspending a player that only plays once every 5 games. He should be have to miss a start until his spot in the rotation is up again. Commissioner has no balls.

    • Matthew Pouliot - May 7, 2012 at 7:35 PM

      The punishment is that he loses about $400,000 in salary because he’s not paid for the five games. I’m not impressed with five- or six-game suspensions for SPs either, but there is a financial component here.

      • Mark - May 7, 2012 at 7:40 PM

        It’s hard to feel bad for him on the financial side given that he’s still making 14+M this season.

      • stabonerichard - May 7, 2012 at 8:18 PM

        Perhaps I’m mistaken, but I believe these types of suspensions are *with* pay. Failed drug tests result in suspension without pay, but I’m pretty sure a situation like this doesn’t.

        MLB did hit Hamels with an “undisclosed fine”… which I’d be shocked if it amounted to even 1% of his annual earnings. It’s essentially a speeding ticket, but for a guy with a couple extra zeroes at the end of his salary compared to the rest of us.

        The Phils have Thursday off, so Saturday’s scheduled start date for Hamels gets pushed back a day, while Halladay will slide into Saturday’s spot on normal rest.

        This punishment has the teeth of a prison gimp.

      • CJ - May 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM

        My understanding is the truth lies somewhat in the middle. It’s more like a 400k mandatory donation to the charity of MLB’s choosing. Which, essentially makes Hamels’ wallet temporarily about half a mil lighter, but he can write it off at tax time.

    • delawarephilliesfan - May 8, 2012 at 9:27 AM

      I understand what you are saying – but honestly, what can be done beyond the games? You can’t mandate someone misses a start. And if your suggestion is 10 games or somethign like that – well, that would be an interesting precedent. Regardless of what you think of the HBP itself, it does happen at least 5 – 10 times a year thorughout baseball. The only thing out of the ordinary here was the admission. So in essence, MLB would be punishing him for admitting he did it. Not sayin they can’t do that….just saying it would create a bizarre situation.

      The funny thing people are missing is the timing. Hamels can only “game” the system because MLB instantly issued the suspension. If MLB announced the suspension Wedensday, he would have to miss a start

  4. smcgaels1997 - May 7, 2012 at 7:48 PM

    Yep..wouldn’t want to be role models for the youth….never be honest

    • mrhojorisin - May 8, 2012 at 2:24 PM

      Do people still expect professional athletes to be role models?

  5. nickynick04 - May 7, 2012 at 8:08 PM

    Yes he will get paid…read the rules before you make statements

  6. nategearhart - May 7, 2012 at 8:24 PM


    • Utley's Hair - May 7, 2012 at 9:33 PM

      I don’t expect them to be role models for my kids, but I do accept the fact that they will look to them for cues as to how to handle some situations, and to emulate them.

      • nategearhart - May 7, 2012 at 9:58 PM

        So forget about the honesty, be mad that the children see him throwing hard objects at a person he’s never met for no good reason.

      • Utley's Hair - May 8, 2012 at 12:34 AM

        After two failed attempts to reply on HBT itself, maybe I can respond through my reply counter up top, so I’ll try it this way…

        I don’t understand your reply. I’ve been saying that all day.

  7. captainwisdom8888 - May 7, 2012 at 8:44 PM

    nategearhart – May 7, 2012 at 8:24 PM

    Amen. These guys are professional athletes…NOT professional models of behavior and they shouldn’t be revered as such. Kids should respect their athletic ability but if you’re looking for a behavioral role model….how bout a teacher? A parent? A doctor?

    * I do agree that Hamels could not have helped himself nor the team by admitting what he had done.

    • baseballisboring - May 8, 2012 at 2:32 AM

      And the thing is, they aren’t. When I was 10-11 Pedro Martinez and Nomar Garciaparra were in their prime…I wouldn’t have cared if they spent their weekends beating up nuns in public, as long as they continued to dominate the league. Kids emulate the behavior of their parents, and of their friends. Basically no one else.

  8. cf17 - May 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM

    Hamels is a tool…I hope Harper hits a line drive off his forehead

    • Utley's Hair - May 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM

      Wishing ill on somebody else…really classy, you tool.

  9. tropboi11 - May 8, 2012 at 1:41 AM

    All Philadelphia Philthy fans are tools and d-bags, they proved me right after Werth broke his wrist

    • Utley's Hair - May 8, 2012 at 2:22 AM

      A couple of schmucks taunting him as he left the field proved you right about an entire fanbase? A couple of schmucks taunting him in a stadium that was alleged to have been “taken back” by its resident team’s fans? What further proof is needed, since tropboi11 has said so?

  10. mungman69 - May 8, 2012 at 3:41 AM

    All Washington fans are either Congressmen or criminals and you can’t tell the difference

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