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Giants beat writer says that Dodgers fans are “total idiots” and “the worst fans in baseball”

May 8, 2012, 8:23 AM EDT

Matt Kemp

It was late and out west so I didn’t see it, but San Francisco Chronicle beat writer Hank Schulman witnessed something in L.A. last night that is is kind of mind boggling.

It happened in the sixth inning, when Matt Kemp made an error on a Melky Cabrera single to center. Kemp had trouble getting a handle on it, allowing Cabrera to take second. Cabrera ended up scoring on a Joaquin Arias single, which Kemp had a hard time getting too.

Now, remember: Matt Kemp has a bum hamstring, so it’s a miracle he made the lineup at all.

Anyway:

Then later, after a Kemp hit:

To head one argument off: Schulman may cover the Giants for the Chronicle, but (a) his reporting is always good and fair; and (b) he has always offered his opinion in his Twitter feed, both on baseball and other topics like politics, so it’s not like there was some official breach of objectivity here. It’s how he rolls and I’m glad he rolls that way.  As someone who is often accused of bias, I think it’s worth noting something: we all have biases or, short of that, opinions.  I worry more about those who act like they don’t and silently harbor them than I do about the ones who have them, are up front about them and allow you to judge their work for itself.

With that out of the way, please tell me Schulman was wrong and Dodgers fans weren’t booing the best freaking player in baseball and the leaps-and-bounds best player on their team? Who, as Schulman noted, went 3 for 3 with a walk and scored a run despite having a bum hamstring.

If so, Magic: Talk to your fans, OK?

UPDATE:  Dodgers Thoughts and Chad Moriyama both say Schulman was off base.

  1. johnnyb1976 - May 8, 2012 at 8:37 AM

    30 games into the season and they are already giving the MVP to Kemp LOL that is the funniest thing I’ve read this morning they are total idiots LOL. Dodgers will fade away like they always do.

    • Gobias Industries - May 8, 2012 at 8:40 AM

      Did you literally laugh out loud twice as you were typing that? Just curious.

    • wendell7 - May 8, 2012 at 9:16 AM

      GIVING it to him? …. From what I see, he is earning every bit of it.

    • crookedstick - May 8, 2012 at 10:20 AM

      I’d guess the MVP chant is in response to him being the rightful (in their eyes) 2011 MVP over the actual MVP Braun. They’ve been chanting that all season, just not “30 games into the season.”

      • itripledogdareyou - May 8, 2012 at 5:46 PM

        Exactly crookedstick. In fact, Dodger fans have been chanting that since last August because Kemp has been on fire and he has carried that right into 2012.

        Did this writer analyze every time the fans booed at last night’s game?
        I guess LA fans must really hate Lily, since they booed both times he walked a guy. And I’m sure fans were only mockingly cheering when Kemp scored, because ya know, its only happened a couple times this season. WTF?

  2. paperlions - May 8, 2012 at 8:45 AM

    I am given to understand that only Philly fans boo; therefore, I am forced to conclude that a large contingent of Philly fans were present at yesterday’s Giants/Dodgers game.

    • heyblueyoustink - May 8, 2012 at 9:01 AM

      To be specific, we apparently only boo our own players and cheer when opposing players get hurt. Thems the rules, and it seems both occured in L.A. , so you might be onto something there.

    • cur68 - May 8, 2012 at 9:44 AM

      It was Philly Phans? Really? Well that explains everything. Probably Santa at that game. But in that fine California weather? He’da broiled in that red wool suit of his. Santa be tough for an old guy, so don’t boo him, Phans: that’s mean.

  3. illcomm - May 8, 2012 at 8:58 AM

    Craig is the worse blog writer in hbt. Dodgers fans always boo when the opposition gets a run. If you watched more than the one game you would know that.

    • Craig Calcaterra - May 8, 2012 at 9:00 AM

      Hank Schulman has covered hundreds of games in Dodger Stadium. You’d think he’d know that and not find it notable. Or maybe you’re the one who is wrong about that.

      • itripledogdareyou - May 8, 2012 at 6:00 PM

        Craig – if Hank has been to hundreds of games at Dodger Stadium, why didn’t he pick this up? It was quite obvious just watching yesterday’s game that Dodger fans booed everytime a Giant got on base. Conversely, so do Giant fans at AT&T Park. This is nothing new in their rivalry. A beat reporter for one of the team’s SHOULD be aware of it.
        Perhaps you should do less defending and more researching before you allow someone else to make you look foolish.

    • The Common Man - May 8, 2012 at 9:02 AM

      If that was really the case, why would Hank Schulman make a note of it? Surely a Giants beat writer would have been to enough games at Dodger Stadium that he would have seen this before, and it wouldn’t have struck him as remarkable.

      • jeffrp - May 8, 2012 at 2:33 PM

        I’m sure you and Craig have an MLB.tv subscription, so it would be easy to check out not only the plays from last night, but also highlights from last year where Dodger fans often boo when the Giants score. Schulman was just being a dick on twitter and Dodger fans were not booing Kemp.

    • yankeesgameday - May 8, 2012 at 9:15 AM

      Craig is the only WRITER on hbt. Everyone else just vomits stats and game summaries while providing zero insight or interesting opinion. If Craig were to stop writing here I would have no reason to come back.

      • georgia - May 8, 2012 at 9:20 AM

        Hey, now. That’s not entirely true!

        I happen to like the occasional pieces from Harkins. Everyone else comes up with the occasional interesting read (some of the writers more than others). But I won’t complain about it.

    • heyblueyoustink - May 8, 2012 at 9:20 AM

      I don’t recall them booing when Matt Stairs hit the moonshot at midnight, I rememeber them slinking away like snakes into holes.

    • paperlions - May 8, 2012 at 9:25 AM

      Well, if you boo when the other teams scores, you are still total idiots. What is the purpose of such booing? It would serve none; shockingly, it won’t discourage the opposition from scoring and the home team already knows it is supposed to try to prevent runs.

      I’ve watched many dozens of home Dodger games on MLB.TV to listen to Vin Skully…and have never noticed that the fans boo when the opposition scores (which is a common enough occurrence that the pattern would have been readily identifiable). Being from a place that rarely boos, I am notice it when it happens (even on TV).

      • itripledogdareyou - May 8, 2012 at 6:12 PM

        Based on your reasoning, fans should never boo. It won’t stop an error from happening or Alex Rodriguez from coming up to the plate or their team from losing. Anyone who boos during a sporting event is an idiot to you paperlions.
        Every team’s fans can be idiots at times but booing when the opposition scores doesn’t make a fan any less knowledgable.
        And for such a baseball fan/Dodger fan expert, you may want to learn how to spell Vin Scully’s name.

      • paperlions - May 8, 2012 at 8:11 PM

        Yes, that is the logical extension. Booing serves very little purpose. When teams perform poorly THEY ALREADY KNOW….and, unsurprisingly, they already know that fans know and that fans are not happy with it. Players won’t play better, hustle more, try harder, or anything else because fans boo. The only purpose it serves is to make fans feel better for bitching…despite the fact that all parties involved were already aware of the discontent.

      • itripledogdareyou - May 9, 2012 at 12:33 AM

        paperlions, according to your “logical extension”, fans shouldn’t cheer for a team either. I mean it doesn’t change the outcome of the game, doesn’t score a run, doesn’t help the players focus, etc. Cheering also “serves very little purpose” as you say.

        I’m not buying it. If you pay $50 for a seat, you should be able to cheer, boo, chant, etc. as long as it stays PG for the fans around you. That’s one of the best parts of the live MLB experience. Calling an entire fanbase total idiots for booing or cheering anything is just silly.

  4. omniusprime - May 8, 2012 at 9:00 AM

    Henry Schulman is a big jerk who is a sad excuse for a baseball beat writer, but then if it wasn’t for baseball beat writer jobs he’d starve since he’s too stupid to do a real job that requires real intelligence. So what Dodger fans booed Kemp for making an error then chant MVP for him when he does something good, that’s the way fans are everywhere.

    Schulman is just jealous the Dodgers are ahead of his team of Giant losers! He’s just mad the Giants have no MVP players nor will they make the playoffs. Better luck next year loser Giant’s fans and crybaby beat writer!

    • The Common Man - May 8, 2012 at 9:04 AM

      That’s definitively not the way fans are everywhere. Especially when a guy is playing injured.

  5. Mike Luna - May 8, 2012 at 9:10 AM

    What exactly makes this guy the expert on who was booing what?

    I attended Yu Darvish’s first Major League start in Arlington. In the first inning, after Darvish’s third walk, the crowd started booing. As near as I can tell, no one was booing Yu in the midst of his first inning stateside. They were booing the umpire for possibly squeezing him. They were booing because they were frustrated in general.

    You could argue that they were booing Darvish, but I really don’t believe they were.

    I don’t think it’s fair for Mr. Shulman to make such sweeping statements about a fanbase that he isn’t intimately familiar with. Saying that the official story is “crapola” is just silly…and not just because it includes a made-up word.

    • jkcalhoun - May 8, 2012 at 9:41 AM

      What exactly makes this guy the expert on who was booing what?

      He’s in his 24th year as a beat writer covering the Giants and has been in the press box for at least a full season’s worth of games at Chavez Ravine. I have no doubt that he’s well entitled to have and express an opinion on this matter.

      • Mike Luna - May 8, 2012 at 11:41 AM

        Okay, so, again, why is he an expert in other peoples’ intentions? He’s perfectly within his right to have an opinion and express that opinion, but I have an opinion too.

        It is my opinion that Mr. Shulman is just expressing his own anti-Dodger bias.

        I also don’t particularly like beat writers or other media calling out fans for being “uneducated” or “ignorant” or “total idiots”. Jeff van Gundy does this all the time and I just comes off as “I know more about this sport than you, so sit down and shut up.”

        It’s condescending and pointless. It’s media people trying to make themselves feel better by putting down the fans.

      • jeffrp - May 8, 2012 at 2:40 PM

        So then I’m sure he was there last September 20 – 22 when Dodger fans boo’d when the Giants scored. You can watch the highlights yourself if you’d like:
        http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_09_21_sfnmlb_lanmlb_1&mode=wrap&c_id=mlb

        Happens all the time when the Giants are in town.

  6. Jonny 5 - May 8, 2012 at 9:19 AM

    I’m really sick of hearing all of these holier than thou “beat writers” and anyone with access to a keyboard and website lumping fan bases all together when some idiots who don’t really understand the game do something dumb. Being a Phillies fan I get to read or hear it all the time.

    All Dodgers fans are idiots and the worst fans in baseball.

    How is this different than any other stereotyping of any other group of people? It’s not. Calling people the worst, and idiots is pushing it and I think this “good and fair” scribe is being far from good or fair. There are idiots in every stadium and for media member to fail to realize this or plainly ignore it tells me something about them. And I say they are either the idiots, or maybe even being biased. I booo this thread of Tweets in Grand Philadelphia fashion. BOOOOOOOOOO!

    • ajcardsfan - May 8, 2012 at 9:49 AM

      For some reason your post made me think Shakespeare…
      “Do you boo at us, sir?”
      “I do not boo at you, but I do boo”

      • cur68 - May 8, 2012 at 10:12 AM

        Ok, now you’ve done it. You know I can’t see that sort of thing without wanting to top it. Yeah, I’m a topper. Any how, take this, Philly Phans:

        To boo, or not to boo, that is not a question:
        Whether ’tis Nobler in the mind to supher
        The Slings and Arrows oph outrageous Phillie Phortune,
        Or to take bats against a Sea oph troubles,
        And by opposing Santa end him: to hit, to walk
        No more; and by a hit, to say we end
        The achilles-ache, and the thousand Natural shocks
        That Phlesh is heir to? ‘Tis a consummation
        Devoutly to be wished. To hit to walk,
        To get on base, perchance to score; Ay, there’s the umpire,
        Phor in that on base oph fortune, what runs may come…

      • The Common Man - May 8, 2012 at 10:24 AM

        /slow clap

      • The Common Man - May 8, 2012 at 10:24 AM

        Cur, you’re the first person I ever gave a thumbs up to.

      • ajcardsfan - May 8, 2012 at 10:44 AM

        Cur, write be a completely baseball-ified version of Hamlet now….since we’re referring to the Phillies any way…the re-write can be called “Hamels”

      • ajcardsfan - May 8, 2012 at 10:44 AM

        Cur, write me a completely baseball-ified version of Hamlet now….since we’re referring to the Phillies any way…the re-write can be called “Hamels”

      • cur68 - May 8, 2012 at 11:00 AM

        I’m on the road, boys. But let me just say that the seed of this idea has been planted and there may well be something in the offing. Stay tuned…

        …Alas, poor Utley! I knew his hair, TCM, a phellow of inphinite
        gell, of most excellent tonsure. He hath bore pie-phixens on his locks a
        thousand times, and now how abhorr’d in my imagination it is!
        My gorge rises at it…for it IS shortening in this man’s hair, and hath slipped in it and hurt his knee, alas, alas

      • badmamainphilliesjamas - May 8, 2012 at 11:24 AM

        I see it now . . .the Phillie Phanatic performing Cur’s Shakespeare.
        Thanks, Cur–that made my day.

      • Jonny 5 - May 8, 2012 at 11:54 AM

        BRAVO SIR! Bravo. No, not the one who goes by that name, but an act of appreciation. Well done.

  7. teamoc4 - May 8, 2012 at 9:25 AM

    I think we learned Dodger fans are the worst last year
    when they almost beat a Giants fan to death while only
    his friends (from SF) defended him. So booing their best
    hurt player isn’t surprising!

    • chadjones27 - May 8, 2012 at 10:01 AM

      2 or 3 idiots does not make a fanbase. Lumping all Dogers fans into that category because of that one incidence is idiotic of you. Grow up.

      • blabidibla - May 8, 2012 at 12:40 PM

        it wasn’t one incident, and even the most hardcore Dodger fan will admit the park’s fan base was out of hand for 2-3 years before Stow. Not lumping all fans into one, but the park had become intolerable due to McCourt’s catering to the lowest common denominator and cutting back security to save $$.

        Happy to see the new ownership and hopefully a more respectful fan base in Chavez Ravine from now on.

      • teamoconnell - Jul 9, 2012 at 10:43 PM

        Haven’t heard of 1 or 2 Giants, Cardinal, Yankee, or Ranger fans beating
        anyone into a coma lately? And no other fans saw a thing????
        The cops must be so busy escorting all the celebrities out they
        Forget about the average fan. I will NEVER attend a Dodger
        game!

    • annyu16 - May 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM

      And incidents like this don’t happen just at Dodger games you idiot!! People get in fights all the time just like Angel’s game opening day of 2009 fans fought and someone hit the ground so hard they died!! So don’t you put that incident on all Dodger fans!

      • teamoconnell - Jul 9, 2012 at 10:56 PM

        Here’s the deal – it happened at Dodger stadium, by Dodger fans (2 or 3)
        No other Dodger fans saw a thing (ya) no Dodger security was around to help
        Most Dodger fans defend themselves rather ask how they can help.
        II’m sorry but it’s on Doger’s fan’s “watch” so to speak.

  8. citynative - May 8, 2012 at 9:28 AM

    I watched the game. I didnt see the play with Kemp in CF. What I did hear was the loud MVP chants after Kemp singled later on. It was hilarious! MVP chants in May? By the way, Giants fans never booed Barry.

  9. AlohaMrHand - May 8, 2012 at 9:33 AM

    This is a big lie.We all know Dodger fans are too busy smacking around a beach all or texting to notice what’s going on down on the field!(Im a dodger fan,I kid because I love).

  10. digitaldonnie - May 8, 2012 at 9:35 AM

    He’s obviously never met a Phillies or a Tigers fan.

  11. pisano - May 8, 2012 at 9:37 AM

    As I stated in an earlier post, while driving through Arizona years ago, I stopped for gas and while using the restroom I noticed the best description of what to do to improve LA, it simply said: “Level LA” that’s the solution.

    • lanflfan - May 8, 2012 at 4:07 PM

      Ironic, considering most of Arizona has all the charm of a nuclear wasteland.

  12. rastaraider - May 8, 2012 at 10:00 AM

    I agree ! There stupid

    • chadjones27 - May 8, 2012 at 10:02 AM

      Please, oh please, tell me you purposely spelled “There” wrong” for effect. Please.

      “I am so smart. S – M – R – T”

  13. muskyhunter2542 - May 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM

    Both are bad!!!
    I love how Giants fans booed Ryan Braun in the Cactus league.
    Just remember the name Barry Bonds… Didnt he play for the Giants?

    Dodger fans are also bad… Last time I checked Ruan Braun DID win the MVP…. Kemp was 2nd.
    If you want to get into all the PED bullsh*t. Look, Braun is doing it again this season under all the scrutiny. You dont think that he isnt being watched and tested more then any player in MLB this year?

    • poprox13 - May 8, 2012 at 11:35 AM

      PED’s or not, Kemp should have won the MVP last year.

      • muskyhunter2542 - May 8, 2012 at 1:29 PM

        Not a chance… Braun was a better player before… And will be after. You are nuts!!!

      • poprox13 - May 8, 2012 at 2:29 PM

        2011 – .324 Avg 39 HR 126 RBI .399 OBP
        2012 – .406 Avg 12 HR 27 RBI .488 OBP

        2011 – .332 Avg 33 HR 111 RBI .397 OBP
        2012 – .288 Avg 9 HR 19 RBI .339 OBP

        IDK, I’d rather have that first set of numbers on my team. What about Brauns’ numbers make him better than Kemp? Kemp was on a inferior team last year but still managed to put up better numbers than Braun.

      • muskyhunter2542 - May 8, 2012 at 4:22 PM

        Still rather have braun!!!

      • poprox13 - May 8, 2012 at 5:11 PM

        Then now we know who is the one that is nuts ;)

  14. chill1184 - May 8, 2012 at 10:21 AM

    Dodgers fans put a Giants fan in a coma

    Giants fans pull a knife on a Dodgers fan

    Phillies fans throw up on people

    Yankees fans throw beer and other objects at the wife of at the time was going to be the hottest free agent in baseball

    Cubs fans throw beer at opposing players

    ..and so on and so on

    • annyu16 - May 10, 2012 at 2:39 PM

      Thank you for that, this stuff happens not only at Dodgers Stadium.

  15. illcomm - May 8, 2012 at 10:27 AM

    Negative Nancies. Both Craig n shulman are both the same negative characters. Craig pounds on the Phils while his counterpart on the dodgers. Not the first time n won’t be the last.

  16. lancer255 - May 8, 2012 at 10:49 AM

    See all fans are idiots would you please leave Philly fans alone now.

  17. Brian Donohue - May 8, 2012 at 10:59 AM

    I’d boo Mattingly. It’s the 1st wk. of May and you’re running a risk of losing this guy and your season/future by running him out there before he’s 100% healed. If it was Sept. and the team’s in the mix for the div or wild card, fine — but in May, caution rules.

  18. cubear34 - May 8, 2012 at 11:13 AM

    Let’s get the facts straight. Not all dodger fans are terrible…there were at least 1,800 that weren’t booing. So that’s definitely not “ALL” dodger fans.

  19. citynative - May 8, 2012 at 11:25 AM

    GIANTS beat writer commenting on DODGERS fans. Where is there a mention of Philly fans in this? Never understood why Philadelphia fans inject themselves into fan arguments that are not concerning them. Maybe that is another reason why you get your reputation.

    @muskyhunter2542

    “I love how Giants fans booed Ryan Braun in the Cactus league.
    Just remember the name Barry Bonds… Didnt he play for the Giants?”

    You don’t get it. This is not Giants fans contradicting themselves. This is them acting out against other fans, the media, and Major League Baseball. For years, Barry was villified as if he was the only cheater. Giants fans took immense heat and scorn for supporting him all the while knowing everyone was juicing as well. Its ironic when the MVP from the Commissioner’s former team gets popped for steroids and then happens to be the only one that gets off.

    • xmatt0926x - May 8, 2012 at 12:05 PM

      citynative, just for the sake of accuracy, please go back and re-read the comments. The people who mentioned the Phillies fans are not Phillies fans. But why let that fact stand in the way of your commentary. Carry on.

  20. muskyhunter2542 - May 8, 2012 at 11:31 AM

    citynative, are you serous? Seleg has had nothing to do with The Brewers in almost a decade. He is the one with egg on his face and he wanted to fight the appeal. Braun may not be innicent of taking something… But for sure not a PED… His play has been the same since 2007 and this year as well.
    Bonds is a cheater…. Braun is not!!!

  21. fister30 - May 8, 2012 at 12:25 PM

    As long as the money I spend to see the game goes into players’ pockets, I will boo whoever I want, whenever I want because I purchased the right to do so. This incident is only noteworthy to Hank Schulman because he has a mancrush on Kemp, hates the Dodgers, and wants to make the Giants fanbase appear to be more civilized by contrast.

  22. johnnyb1976 - May 8, 2012 at 12:55 PM

    Dodger fans are so bad if Kemp fouled a ball off and it smacked a 65 year old grandmother of 13 in the face they would boo the grandmother for not catching the ball.

  23. lanflfan - May 8, 2012 at 4:12 PM

    I really don’t care about the opinion of a giants writer (he’s welcome to his). Dodgers fans have been chanting MVP for Kemp since Opening Day, and I’ve been to plenty of Dodger/giant games in the past (before Matt Kemp was in MLB) where LA fans boo any run SF scores. Much ado about nothing, troll elsewhere.

  24. kcc007 - May 8, 2012 at 7:19 PM

    How many games has this guy been to? Every Dodger/giant game I’ve ever been to at Chavez, there was always a fair amount of giant fans cheering when they score a run (as they should) and every Dodger fan anywhere near this noise would boo to drown them out (as they should).
    oh henry, you would know this if you actually sat in the stands once and not in your cozy little press box where you probably can hear 2% of the fan base in the stadium.
    And turning an MVP chant into a negative? This is a fan base giving respect to a guy who is one of the top players in the game. Wether you think he should have been MVP of the league last year or not…there is no doubt he is OUR MVP. And we are going to let him know that.

  25. dodgerhero - May 9, 2012 at 11:26 AM

    I went to a Giants – Dodgers game at At&t Park last year, and a group of Giants fan who were drunk started yelling at me. They told me if I didn’t take my Dodgers jersey off they were going to find me after the game. I didn’t say anything. I went to the game, and was impressed by At&t Park. Those Dodgers fans that booed Kemp are dumb. they don’t represent true Dodger Fans. What I don’t understand is why A Giants beat writer is calling out all fans when it was a group of fans that booed Kemp. We don’t boo Kemp. Only dumb drunk people who were at the game do. I hate it when writers do that. Don’t call out Dodger fans just because your Giants can’t score runs. The Dodgers can’t score runs either. It’s frustrating. Next time you tweet about us Schulman, get your story straight. You make Dodger fans respect the Giants less. On the topic of Bonds. He was the best hitter I ever saw. Steroids or not, he scared the hell out of me every time he came to the plate. I’m a Dodger fan giving props to Bonds. What now Schulman. Am I wrong for respecting Bonds and booing him at the same time? What a bunch of dumb tweets.

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