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Charlie Manuel lays into the Phillies in a closed-door meeting

May 10, 2012, 8:49 AM EDT

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Cholly has seen enough:

… after what Manuel watched on the field in a 10-6 loss to the Mets — some sloppy fielding, runners left all over the basepaths and another implosion from his bullpen — he couldn’t contain himself for a second straight night. He unloaded on his club in a closed-door team meeting after getting swept at home by the division-rival Mets … The lambasting covered the gamut. Manuel had enough of everything, from the shoddy execution to lackadaisical approach.

That report comes from As a rights holder, Comcast has special advantages over other outlets covering the Phillies. And, as a fellow Comcast-owned outlet, we here at HardballTalk are afforded certain advantages too. So, in an HBT exclusive, here is video of Charlie Manuel’s closed-door meeting from last night:


I expect things will improve now.

  1. deathmonkey41 - May 10, 2012 at 8:52 AM

    That couldn’t be Charlie Manuel’s tirade- you can actually understand what he’s saying.

  2. lembeck4 - May 10, 2012 at 8:57 AM


    Classic. I think Cholly should have the Phillies take the 6 AM bus ride to really drive home the point.

  3. xmatt0926x - May 10, 2012 at 9:02 AM

    I wonder if one of the players interrupted his tirade and said “uhh….charlie , go yell at Ruben for leaving us with this god-f***ing awful bullpen”. I mean did anyone who follows the Phillies thing that awful pen was going to hold a 4-2 lead after Cliff Lee went out? I do like Kendricks punctuality though. He didn’t leave anyone in suspense. He blew that lead before you could blink an eye. I will give senior citizen Jose Contreras a break though because that homer Ike Davis hit appeared to be just about golfed off the ground. Who am I kidding? Contreras would have just grooved one right down the pike on the next pitch anyway…..

    • paperlions - May 10, 2012 at 9:11 AM

      Yeah, but the way Davis is swinging this year, he would have bounced a grooved FB to second….or popped it up.

    • heyblueyoustink - May 10, 2012 at 9:40 AM

      Matt, I know a good shrink if you need one to help you off the ledge…

    • Joe - May 10, 2012 at 9:49 AM

      Nope. Actually, I didn’t even wait for the game to start. I figured with Lee on a pitch count we were going to get at least two innings of the batting practice brigade, and if they had anything less than a 15 run lead it was most likely going to be blown.

    • mox19380 - May 10, 2012 at 3:32 PM

      How’s it Ruben’s fault that Bastardo and Stutes aren’t playing close to the level they did last year? Kyle Kendrick was very solid last year was RAJ supposed to know that his era was going jump 5points? Blame RAJ for overpaying Jimmy Rollins but injuries and piss poor performances of the bullpen can’t be blamed on a guy who sits in an office…

  4. xmatt0926x - May 10, 2012 at 9:04 AM

    ***EDIT- meant to say “did anyone who follows the Phillies THINK

    • paperlions - May 10, 2012 at 9:12 AM

      Philly fans think….quit ripping on them.

  5. Francisco (FC) - May 10, 2012 at 9:16 AM

    In think it was Lou Brown who said: “This is team is completely out of focus.”

  6. thefalcon123 - May 10, 2012 at 9:20 AM

    This only happened because it would have been impolite for Manuel to blame the proper person, Ruben Amaro, for assuming that if a player was good at 28, he would just as good and healthy at age 36.

    • chew1985 - May 10, 2012 at 11:14 AM

      That may be true, but the real problem is that since they are no longer a dominant team, the manager becomes more important. Just as in Cleveland, Charlie is showing that he is not up to the task.

      To think the Phillies passed on Jim Leyland to hire Manuel instead is an insult to any real baseball fan.

      • thefalcon123 - May 10, 2012 at 12:29 PM

        Wow, how quickly the knives come out. Let’s see, the guy has managed 10 seasons, has 1 losing record, 6 division titles, 2 pennants, 1 WS and after a 14-18 start with a terrible offense, he gets the blame and it’s an insult that he was hired?


      • delawarephilliesfan - May 10, 2012 at 1:08 PM

        7 Consecutive winning Seasons after having had just 7 in the previous 23 years…..5 straight Divisions titles, elimnated from the Wild Card the last day and next to last day of the 2 years they did not make the playoffs, most wins by a Phillies manager, club best single season record, 2 Penanants and 1 World Series…..

        So what are the downsides, chewbacka?

  7. Jonny 5 - May 10, 2012 at 9:21 AM

    Actually I’d like to think it was more like this.

    • paperlions - May 10, 2012 at 9:51 AM

      Poor Joe Blanton…he just can’t catch a break….hope he doesn’t snap.

      • Jonny 5 - May 10, 2012 at 10:19 AM

        lol, I ws thinking Kyle instead of Pyle because of all the Phillies staff, Blanton has been been ok lately.

  8. bleed4philly - May 10, 2012 at 9:22 AM

    When is Charlie gonna retire? We got ryan sandberg waiting at triple A to take over, now is the time.

    • badmamainphilliesjamas - May 10, 2012 at 9:42 AM

      …but unless Ryne Sandberg has magic powers, he’s still stuck with the same bullpen.

      • deathmonkey41 - May 10, 2012 at 9:58 AM

        Hopefully Sandberg wouldn’t have left Kendrick in that long though.

      • Utley's Hair - May 10, 2012 at 10:49 AM

        Do you mean Ryno would’ve taken Kendrick out in the seventh or the eighth? ‘Cause, yes, after the debacle that was the seventh, KK was right back out there in the eighth for more of the same.

    • chap6869 - May 10, 2012 at 9:45 AM

      I wouldn’t have agreed with you leading up to this season. but maybe it’s time to start entertaining that idea. Charlie is a good hitting instructor and he’s one of those” loved by all” clubhouse managers but when it comes down to making the proper, in game calls, he’s always left alot to be desired, even going back to his days in Cleveland. I love Charlie, and he’ll always have a special place in Philly fans hearts but something has to be done, it’s not all his fault(Amaro, your bullpen sucks!) but he has to be held accountable for some of the blame.

    • paperlions - May 10, 2012 at 9:54 AM

      Manager’s just don’t make that big a difference. Sandberg will probably do the same “by the book” managerial stuff that inhibits winning like sac bunts, saving your best reliever for only save situations, and IBBing the bases loaded….and he’ll still have the same roster. Every manager in the history of baseball has won when he had good players and lost when he didn’t…it really isn’t any more complicated than that….yes, a manager can have a small (usually negative) effect, but by far the over-riding force in the performance of a team is the talent on the roster.

      • Alex K - May 10, 2012 at 10:00 AM


      • chap6869 - May 10, 2012 at 10:14 AM

        I’ll agree with you to a certain point, but, it’s also been proven more often than not that a shake up at the manager position can have a wake me up effect and let’s be honest here, The Phillies are sleepwalking. It’s understandable considering what the team has accomplished in the past but if they think they can just suddenly turn it on and they’ll magically be back in first, they’re going to be sorely mistaken. This division has gotten ALOT tougher in the past year. Yes, we can blame the bullpen for a good portion but there is simply no excuse for the poor fielding, swinging at the first pitch every time a batter comes up, poor preparation( players yesterday even admitted to this), these things fall back on Charlie. The talk this preseason was how they were going to work on fundementals, how they were going to make the opposing pitcher work more by not swinging at the first pitch and basically take a small-ball approach, yet they’ve fallen back on all their old habits, again, Charlie has to take some of the blame for this.

      • heyblueyoustink - May 10, 2012 at 10:22 AM

        Except for that LaRussa character you mean, right?

      • paperlions - May 10, 2012 at 11:42 AM

        Chap, that is confirmation bias. The vast majority of times a change in manager during the season has no effect whatsoever…every once in a while, likely by coincidence, a team starts playing better after a managerial change. If there is an effect in those cases, it is almost certainly related to the players not liking the previous manager for personal reasons (e.g., the manager being a giant dick that sucked to play for….) and nothing to do with baseball decisions per se.

  9. digitaldonnie - May 10, 2012 at 9:40 AM

    14-18. Nuff said.

    • heyblueyoustink - May 10, 2012 at 9:43 AM

      Who’s “Nuff’ ?

      • deepstblu - May 10, 2012 at 12:01 PM

        “Michael T. ‘Nuf Ced’ McGreevey was the leader of the most vocal fans of the Boston Americans (now the Boston Red Sox), today known as the ‘Royal Rooters’. McGreevey owned the Third Base Saloon, which got its name because, like third base, it was the last stop before home. His saloon was Boston’s original sports bar – it was decorated in a baseball theme, with pictures of the players, and a scoreboard on the outside wall. His nickname ‘Nuf Ced’ was given to him because that was what he usually shouted to end barroom disputes, usually about the Boston Americans and the Boston Braves.”

    • Utley's Hair - May 10, 2012 at 10:54 AM

      How’s the bridge look from down there, digitaldonnie?

  10. cur68 - May 10, 2012 at 9:44 AM

    Juan Pierre was exempt from all of Cholly’s scathing remarks. He IS the offence.

    • Joe - May 10, 2012 at 9:52 AM

      Don’t forget Freddy Galvis. And Cliff Lee.

      • cur68 - May 10, 2012 at 9:54 AM

        Cliffy helped his own cause…am I doing that right?

      • Joe - May 10, 2012 at 10:12 AM

        Wasn’t correcting you, just adding a couple of the other light hitters doing all of the hitting last night.

      • Utley's Hair - May 10, 2012 at 10:55 AM

        Freddy was on fire last night. And Cliffy knocked in the first run, and used the entire length of his legs to make it to first.

      • cur68 - May 10, 2012 at 11:12 AM

        I know, Joe. I’m riffing on the “helped his own cause” meme with a toccata of the “am I doing this right” meme. I used my Lewis Black impression for that one.

  11. eshine76 - May 10, 2012 at 9:47 AM

    The Mets treated the Phillies like they were a bunch of rookies; that’s old school. Welcome to the big leagues.

  12. Alex K - May 10, 2012 at 9:52 AM

    Man, it seems like the Phillies future is murky, at best.

  13. charbycharlie - May 10, 2012 at 10:50 AM

    Maybe the Phillies should worry about scoring runs and not about trying to be “Old School”.

  14. crisisofinfinitephils - May 10, 2012 at 11:09 AM

    Buh, buh…but theyre the Yankees of the NL. Next your going to tell me they don’t play baseball the RIGHT way all the time despite what they and their fans have told us for the last four years or so.

    • chap6869 - May 10, 2012 at 11:25 AM

      Well, the Phillies and their fans must still be playing on your psyche considering you went out of your way to create a handle pertaining to the Phillies. But, the good news is, with therapy, you can work through your inferiority complex, poor little guy.

      • crisisofinfinitephils - May 10, 2012 at 11:54 AM

        And in pure Philly misplaced arrogance, you fail to consider that it just my be my name. But as far as therapy goes I think that the entire city of Philadelphia should undergo treatment for their narcisstic delusions that allow them to think that they are anything more than a two bit hamlet. But don’t worry about me, I DONT live in the Philly area.

      • Utley's Hair - May 10, 2012 at 12:16 PM

        Oh…so you’re a troll…got it.

      • chap6869 - May 10, 2012 at 1:28 PM

        crisisofinfinitephils says:
        “And in pure Philly misplaced arrogance, you fail to consider that it just my be my name”
        Sure it is! So I guess we’ll just call you Phils from here on out.

        “far as therapy goes I think that the entire city of Philadelphia should undergo treatment for their narcisstic delusions that allow them to think that they are anything more than a two bit hamlet”
        So we are, how did you put it, two bit hamlets…..yet here you are posting and replying to a Phillies post, hmmmm, what does that make you, a two-bit troll perhaps.

        “But don’t worry about me, I DONT live in the Philly area”
        Speaking for the entire Philadelphia area, Thank God for that!…….Bazinga!

  15. bigjimatch - May 10, 2012 at 11:33 AM

    The Phillies = the 2008 Yankees.

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