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Ruben Amaro: The Phillies may be sellers come July

May 10, 2012, 1:30 PM EDT

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Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com spoke with Phillies GM Ruben Amaro, and he ripped his team at length, and didn’t spare either himself or Charlie Manuel in the criticism. Then he said, if things don’t go well in the next two months, he may blow it up:

“We just have to get on track. But if July comes and we’re playing like this, we’ll be sellers. How we play now will determine whether we’ll be buyers or sellers in July.”

No, I wouldn’t expect a tear-down or anything.  But it’s not like the Phillies have a ton of financial space to improve the team either.

It hasn’t been this bad in Philly in over five years, folks.

  1. trevorb06 - May 10, 2012 at 1:32 PM

    It’d be interesting to see who they’re selling in that rotation. They have a fine one with guys of all ages.

    • jeffhink - May 10, 2012 at 1:37 PM

      Hamels & Victorino, both in the last year of their contracts, would bring the most in return. Blanton could bring back something nice if he keeps performing as he has so far this season (that’s a big if). Polanco is also in the last year of his contract, but not likely to get much in return since he’s always hurt, but his bat is starting to pick up a bit. I doubt they would look to move – or find any takers for – the longer, more expensive contracts like Howard (if healthy), Lee, and Rollins. Pence could go either way.

      But all of this is obviously a threat level midnight scenario.

      • phillyphreak - May 10, 2012 at 1:45 PM

        I don’t think Hamels would bring the most back unless the team trading for him could work out a contract after the trade. I could see them trading Halladay though.

      • chap6869 - May 10, 2012 at 1:51 PM

        If Hamels were to be in that purging, it would be stupid on Amaros part. are the Phillies being “sold off” to rebuild for next year, because if that’s the case Hamels will be an intregal part of that. Even if we’re talking a 2-3 year rebuild, he’s still young enough and ,certainly by that point, will be one of if not the best left handed ace in the Majors that will certainly help a young team.
        As far as the rest, I could see Blanton, Victorino,Polanco( if there are takers) going, maybe even Halladay or Lee depending on how their no trade clause is written and again, if someone could afford the salary.

      • headbeeguy - May 10, 2012 at 2:01 PM

        @chap: Hamels is a free agent after the season, and it doesn’t seem like there’s any momentum towards getting a long-term deal done. I agree that he’d be a useful piece in a rebuild, but if they aren’t competing this year and they aren’t going to sign him to an extension, then it would make sense to move him.

      • heyblueyoustink - May 10, 2012 at 2:08 PM

        Well, if we’re gonna get nutso, Hamels and Pence for Josh Hamilton

      • protius - May 10, 2012 at 2:35 PM

        They might be able to get an Orangutan for Victorino and a Lemur for Hamels.

        Amaro might get Michelin to take Blanton and Polanco in exchange for Bibendum and a broken bicycle tire pump.

      • Utley's Hair - May 10, 2012 at 3:31 PM

        Can HBT get a bag of pink slime for protius?

      • chap6869 - May 10, 2012 at 3:38 PM

        protius says:
        They might be able to get an Orangutan for Victorino and a Lemur for Hamels.
        Amaro might get Michelin to take Blanton and Polanco in exchange for Bibendum and a broken bicycle tire.

        I get it, you were trying to be humorous….FAIL!

      • protius - May 10, 2012 at 4:25 PM

        Someone once asked Chase Utley to make a face like a monkey’s ass, and when he did, it just stayed that way.

        Someone once asked Utley’s Hair to make a face like a monkey’s ass, and he said, “whadda ya mean, I already look like a monkey’s ass”.

      • protius - May 10, 2012 at 4:30 PM

        Chap, I get it, you’re trying to be cool. Don’t be absurd, you’re a Phillies fan………..LOL

      • cur68 - May 10, 2012 at 7:50 PM

        Fellas, just ignore ‘protius’. He’s an unmitigated ass. Once you get the better of him in this back and forth (which isn’t hard: he’s witless), he’ll descend into homophobic slurs, graphic sexual innuendo and the kind of douchebaggery generally associated with the 10 year old children of alcoholics. All the while he’ll “LOL” himself endlessly. He has to live with himself and be the person he is: we however have a choice. We can choose to ignore his bleating.

      • protius - May 10, 2012 at 8:55 PM

        Blah, blah, blah, “just ignore ‘protius’. He’s an unmitigated ass”, yada, yada, yada, said the Walmart checkout boy. Blah, blah, blah, “Once you get the better of him in this back and forth (which isn’t hard: he’s witless), he’ll descend into homophobic slurs,” yada, yada, yada, said the cheerleader married to the transvestite garbage collector. Blah, blah, blah, “he has to live with himself and be the person he is”, yada, yada, yada, said the neurotic spittoon boy with the self esteem issues.

      • cur68 - May 10, 2012 at 10:32 PM

        See?

      • protius - May 11, 2012 at 8:31 PM

        Hey Chap, how does it feel to be cur’s dog? He thinks so little of your intellectual prowess that he feels he has to step in to think for you, because you are incapable of thinking for yourself.

        How does it feel to have someone tell you what to do, i.e., “just ignore ‘protius’”, and “we can choose to ignore his bleating”, as if you are a child, and incapable of making decisions for yourself?

        We were breaking each others balls about the Phillies when HBT’s resident ass-clown injected his self-esteem issues into our conversation. Did you notice how he needed to be one of you? “We can choose to ignore”………..please, no one asked for you to comment on their behalf. We were doing just fine without you.

        You need to get a life of your own, and stop following me around HBT begging for attention like some forlorn little puppy. I’m starting to feel sorry for you now. Every time you challenge me, I hand you your ass.

        You need to grow up cur, and stop butting into conversations between adults. And for God’s sake get some psychiatric help.

    • Mike Luna - May 10, 2012 at 1:40 PM

      I’d like to know who (be they position players or pitchers) would be on the copping block.

      Pap, Cliff Lee, Halladay, & Howard are probably safe, considering their contracts and/or how they can help the team down the line.

      Who else would other teams actually want? Ruiz? Pence? Anyone else?

  2. Ben - May 10, 2012 at 1:33 PM

    Guns, gay marriage, and now the Phillies. HBT is going to asplode!

  3. El Bravo - May 10, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    Finally, my inner-teenager is allowed to speak: LOL!

    • chap6869 - May 10, 2012 at 1:42 PM

      I want to rip into you for that comment El Bravo, but it’s too damn funny!

    • kranepool - May 10, 2012 at 1:45 PM

      See what happens when the NY Mets come to town? They beat you on the scoreboard and take your spirt from you. The Mets make you cry in the corner after the beating you take because you know it’s over for you. Wait till the Mets get done with the Fish over the weekend and Mr. Met takes over The Clevelander to hold a 1986 World Champions Reunion Party………..OHHHHHHHHHH YYYYYYYYYEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  4. modo85 - May 10, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    I’m so excited for Roy Halladay to lead the Blue Jays into the playoffs.

    • proudlycanadian - May 10, 2012 at 1:49 PM

      Drabek, d’Arnaud and Gose for Doc!

      • sasquash20 - May 10, 2012 at 2:09 PM

        Throw in D.Hutchinson and I’m all for that move. Then lock Cole up.

  5. mdpickles - May 10, 2012 at 1:50 PM

    I wasn’t panicking yet, but if the GM already is this early, than I guess I should too! Vic and Cole in their last year, but Cole is a stud, Vic is versatile in the OF and in the lineup. If anyone, that message was directed to Hunter Pence and the bullpen. Pence can hit, but his bonehead plays in the field deflate the entire team.

  6. number42is1 - May 10, 2012 at 1:53 PM

    Doc for Soiano (the Yankees variety) Done and Done

  7. mungman69 - May 10, 2012 at 1:53 PM

    By July the Phillies will be in first place.

    • WhenMattStairsIsKing - May 10, 2012 at 5:35 PM

      Not without an infield and a bullpen.

  8. js20011041 - May 10, 2012 at 1:55 PM

    I really don’t see this happening. Not that I think the Phillies are going to be great the rest of the year, but with the additional wildcard, I think the Phillies are going to be too close to justify selling some of the parts. That’s not to mention the competition in the division. The Mets are more than likely going to come back down to earth. The Braves are good not great. Same with the Marlins, and unless the Nationals can add some offense, they aren’t pulling away with anything.

    Having said that, I think it would be really interesting to see who they could trade. Would they trade Hamels? I would imagine that they would be able to find suitors for Halladay and Lee. Would they be able to find someone willing to take Papelbon’s contract? Other than possibly Victorino or Pence they really don’t have any position players that would be moveable. If it comes to that, it will be very interesting to follow.

    • sasquash20 - May 10, 2012 at 2:14 PM

      Ruiz is a solid offensive catcher and calls as good a game as any behind the plate in the game today.

  9. rpink24 - May 10, 2012 at 1:58 PM

    I don’t buy it at all. It’s May 10th for Pete’s sake. They are blowing games on their on, not being outplayed by superior teams. The next 10 games consist of the Padres, Astros, Cubs, and Red Sox. If they win 7 of those 10 everything will be right with the world again.

  10. illcomm - May 10, 2012 at 1:58 PM

    lol. Phils r still gonna win the division.

    • 18thstreet - May 10, 2012 at 2:12 PM

      Is it that hard to type out “are”?

      • jimmymarlinsfan - May 10, 2012 at 3:30 PM

        Maybe he is a pirate? Or a pirates fan? Or under 4 years old?

    • jimeejohnson - May 10, 2012 at 5:11 PM

      Or delusional!

  11. randygnyc - May 10, 2012 at 2:28 PM

    Yankees will take halladay and Lee, but the phillies will have to eat quite a bit of their salaries, as punishment for thinking they’re equal to the Yankees. We’ll give you Pineda and Dwayne Wise in return.

    • xmatt0926x - May 10, 2012 at 4:20 PM

      Because we know the Yankees are such a young and up and coming team. They have no age issues at all……

      • ematusko - May 10, 2012 at 4:26 PM

        Bragging about the recent sweep is like me as a flyer fan bragging about beating the penguins. It’s nice and all, but not very relevant.

    • protius - May 10, 2012 at 4:46 PM

      Can you imagine the amount of torment and disbelief that Roy Halladay must be going through right now. When he signed with the Phillies, he thought he was going to a team that gave him the best chance of winning that World Series ring that he wanted so badly.

      What do you think he’s feeling as he watches his team knuckle-walking their way through a series with the New York Mets?

      Should have signed with the Yankees Roy, you’d already have one ring, and you’d be working on a second…….LMAO

      • jimeejohnson - May 10, 2012 at 5:10 PM

        He’s probably feeling like….having a cheesesteak! He couldn’t get those in New Yawk!

    • protius - May 10, 2012 at 5:16 PM

      Shane Victorino had an accident and needed a brain transplant. The team physician told Ruben Amaro, “Brains are very expensive, and the insurance company won’t pay the cost, so the team has to pay for it themselves.”

      “Well, how much does a brain cost?” asked Amaro. “For a Phillies fan brain, $500,000. For a monkey brain, $200,000,” replied the doctor. Amaro nodded in agreement because he thought he understood. But Charlie Manuel wasn’t satisfied and asked, “Why the difference in price between a Phillies fan’s brain and a monkey’s brain?” “Standard pricing differential,” said the Doc. “The monkey brains have to be marked down because they’ve actually been used!”

      • chap6869 - May 10, 2012 at 5:43 PM

        Wow, could your attempt at humor be any lamer! Let me give you a hint, when people laugh, take notice that they’re laughing at you, not with you. There’s a big difference there, dumbazz!!!

      • protius - May 10, 2012 at 6:15 PM

        Blah, blah, blah, “Wow, could your attempt at humor be any lamer!” Yada, yada, yada, douche bag says “wow”. Blah, blah, blah, “Let me give you a hint”. Yada, yada, yada, why would anyone need a hint from a douche bag? Blah, blah, blah, “when people laugh, take notice that they’re laughing at you, not with you.” Yada, yada, yada, take notice this all of baseball is laughing at the Phillies, especially the Braves. Blah, blah, blah, “dumbazz!!!”. Yada, yada, yada, douche bag uses too many exclamation points; is afraid to say dumbass. Everyone is laughing at you. Live with it.

  12. ikedavisnose - May 10, 2012 at 2:36 PM

    Wait a second, where have all the Phillie Phans that never shut up gone. They are always here when they win…….oh yeah that’s right they just got swept by the METS

    • chap6869 - May 10, 2012 at 2:54 PM

      UH, we just had the last 23 posts before you and Randy showed up,moron! Congrats on your Mets being relevant for a few days out of the past 6 years.

    • Utley's Hair - May 10, 2012 at 3:28 PM

      Looking for anybody in particular?

      Wait…if they never shut up, wouldn’t that mean that they’re still here, thereby making the original question moot, ’cause otherwise, it seems that they do shut up. Hmmm…

  13. bleed4philly - May 10, 2012 at 3:00 PM

    The real phillies have returned. Fml

    • jimmymarlinsfan - May 10, 2012 at 3:32 PM

      I wish I could like this post more…a lot more

  14. Jonny 5 - May 10, 2012 at 3:40 PM

    You better shape up boys or we’ll trade you! Kinda reminds me of a father’s empty threats to his children.. Who contending actually will need anyone come July? Unless it’s pitching I don’t see anyone getting moved. They NEED Victorino, he’s the only D they have in the OF.

    • Utley's Hair - May 10, 2012 at 3:42 PM

      Don’t you MAKE me turn this car around!!!!!!!

  15. flyinhighwithvick - May 10, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    Anyone ever think that maybe Amaro is just trying to light a fire under the entire clubhouse? No doubt things aren’t good right now, at least they took 2 of 3 in Atlanta last week.

    • protius - May 10, 2012 at 6:02 PM

      A beat reporter from the Philadelphia Inquirer walked into the Phillies locker room after a loss and as he looked around the clubhouse he saw a little monkey come out of the shower room and waddle up to his locker.

      The reporter looked down at the monkey and said “I wish you could talk.” The monkey looked up at the reporter and nodded his head up and down. “You can understand what I’m saying?” asked the reporter. Again, the monkey nodded his head up and down. “Well, did you see the game tonight?” “Yes,” nodded the monkey. “What happened, asked the reporter? The monkey made a fist and moved it up and down. “They were really jerking it out there, huh?” asked the reporter.”Yes,” nodded the Monkey. “

      What else?” asked the reporter? The monkey grabbed a ball and let it drop, and then he kicked it, and picked it up and let it drop again. “They made too many errors?” asked the reporter. “Yes,” nodded the Monkey.

      “What else?” queried the reporter? The monkey grabbed a bat and swung three times, and then swung three times again. “they struck out a lot!?” asked the reporter. “Yes,” nodded the monkey. “Now wait, you’re saying the Phillies were making errors and striking out a lot?” “Yes, the Monkey nodded. “What were you doing during all this?” asked the reporter “Pitching,” motioned the monkey.

  16. uberfatty - May 10, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    So what you’re saying is the future is “murky at best” for this team?

  17. dawglb - May 10, 2012 at 4:01 PM

    Amaro is simply trying to shake it up, and wake up this team. The one guy who needs to not be back next year is Charlie. You have seen is interviews. Can you imagine his closed door meeting with the team? How intimidating is that message these days? Take hillbilly Billie-Bob-Joe and give him porky pig’s speech impediment and there you have it. I like the man, just not the manager.

  18. xmatt0926x - May 10, 2012 at 4:17 PM

    I’m not shocked by this at all. There was much talk about hamels signing earlier in the year and how it shouldn’t take too long. Now he still remains unsigned and according to the writers there seems to be no logical reason for this. There actually are very logical reasons for it. People keep talking about locking Hamels up. Has anyone ever thought that maybe Hamels doesn’t want to be locked up in Philly? Or maybe Ruben sees that if he does lock up Hamels at close to $25 million a year that he will have a $140-150 million payroll for just 6 or 7 players and he finally has realized that the fill-ins he thought he would surround his core of stars just aren’t good enough to really compete? Maybe Hamels himself has determined that this team will be in rebuilding mode in a year or 2 and he has no interest in being part of that. Amaro could easily just be greasing the skids with his comments for what he feels is an inevitable parting of the ways with a free agent pitcher he knows is pretty much out of the door. Even if the Phillies come back in a division where no single team will likely run away from the pack, do you keep Hamels in July when you know he won’t be signing? He can always spin it that with Lee, Halladay, and worley that he has enough pitching to compete and that he had to trade Hamels. It will be interesting for sure. The only positive is that the team has hit a low point with everything yet they are still just 5 games back. As far as the Mets fans chirping, give it a rest. You do this every season when you have your one little run in May or June. Then you know what happens. You don’t have the talent of the Braves, Nats, or the Marlins. Worry about that before you worry about the Phillies. Nobody in this division is running away from anyone else. The Mets should be competitive, but not much else.

  19. kvanhorn87 - May 10, 2012 at 4:22 PM

    Just motivation, move along. In other news, the Braves may be better off considering blowing themselves up.

    • WhenMattStairsIsKing - May 10, 2012 at 5:44 PM

      Sounds painful.

  20. JustMeMike - May 10, 2012 at 4:45 PM

    reacting to xmatt’s comments – sure it is possible that Hamels would love to go back to the west coast. and his mind, Lee, Hamels, HOward, and Utley aren’t getting young. But SD isn’t going to be winning anytime soon. LA is a better fit.

    Maybe – Hamels for Ethier . or

    How about this one -
    Hamels to Bosox for Middlebrooks and Doubrant !!

    Sox already said Middlebrooks won’t learn how to play OF in Boston. So when Youk is ready, Middlebrooks gets sent down – not that they don’t want him – but with Papi at DH, AGone at 1B, and Youk at 3B, Middlebrooks has no place to play.

    Let Polanco teach Middlebrooks all there is about 3B. Doubrant has promise as well.

    Comments?

    • xmatt0926x - May 10, 2012 at 5:38 PM

      I hope the Phils do re-sign Hamels. It just makes me wonder why there seems to be no movement on the issue. Maybe he is kind of waiting to see how things unfold. Maybe he does want to sign back up and Amaro has decided he wants to part ways with him. Who knows. It will be interesting to see Amaro’s comments in the near future. It seems to me that when a team knows it won’t be retaining a high profile player that you start to hear little clues here and there from management in an attempt to start breaking the fans in to the news. I really don’t see any of the NL East teams running away by the trade deadline. It will be interesting to see if Hamels is signed by then or not and how Ruben reacts if the Phillies are still in the race, especially with the extra wildcard this year.

  21. jimeejohnson - May 10, 2012 at 5:07 PM

    Swept by the Mets? Time to panic!

  22. leftywildcat - May 10, 2012 at 7:52 PM

    I would agree that Amaro is probably just trying to light a fire under the guys. Didn’t Lee Thomas do the same thing in July ’06 by saying that the team would not compete until ’08?

    As for Hamels, who doesn’t perform well in a contract year regardless of where he wants to play next year?

    Being swept by the Mets is no reason to panic. No one panicked following any of a few 4 games series being swept by the Astros in the past few seasons.

    But something must have changed. Last season began with lots of injuries, and no one was worried, and the team started well despite the DL. Is there a bad influence in the clubhouse this year?

  23. schmedley69 - May 10, 2012 at 9:06 PM

    “It hasn’t been this bad in Philly in over five years, folks.”

    People really have short memories, because during this 5-year run, with the exception of last season, the Phillies had periods were they struggled mightily during the season. For the most part, they have been a second half team.

    In 2007 they came from way back to overtake the Mets on the last day of the season.

    In 2008 they trailed the Mets by 3.5 games on September 10th and went on to clinch on the second to last day of the regular season.

    In 2009 they hovered around the .500 mark until July 4th and they went on a tear and ran away with the division.

    In 2010 they lost 9 out 11 games in late May and trailed the Braves by as much as 6 games in July/August. They went on to win going away that year too.

    So, go ahead and write them off if you want to, but don’t be surprised if they come back and make you all look stupid once again.

    In fact, here’s a post by Craig from this time 2 years ago when the Braves swept the Phillies. If you scroll down and read the comments, everyone was writing the Phils off then too, except for one person, or should I say one genius:

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/02/message-sent-the-braves-sweep-the-phillies-take-a-25-game-lead/

  24. flyeredup - May 10, 2012 at 11:00 PM

    Trade Cole Slaw Hamels and Chase Knee Knocker for Justin Morneau, Carl Pavano and a used jock strap

  25. haligert - May 11, 2012 at 6:12 AM

    As a long time Philly fan the last few weeks have been difficult to watch at times. At this point I can only hope that when Howard & Utley return to the line up they will the Phillies, but that’s not a guarantee. So, we will wait and see….through the ups & downs of this game we stick by this team. We cheer and boo with the same passion! You just never know what will “shake up a team” and next thing you know it’s on a torrid winning streak. So Buyers or Sellers…hmm…we will see…I do agree though “all of this team is to be held accountable”.

    • haligert - May 11, 2012 at 6:15 AM

      Sorry – they will improve the Phillies

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