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	<title>Comments on: Holy Ryan Braun precedent, Batman! Another PED suspension is overturned</title>
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		<title>By: protius</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[protius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 05:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[delaware, I have a unique point of view that I&#039;ve mentioned a few times on this blog, and all of the Calcaterra elite just turned up their conceited, self-important noses and said pish posh, we have no time for trifles.

My question to you is: Do you have the castangias to debate the issue with me to it&#039;s logical conclusion? si o no?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>delaware, I have a unique point of view that I&#8217;ve mentioned a few times on this blog, and all of the Calcaterra elite just turned up their conceited, self-important noses and said pish posh, we have no time for trifles.</p>
<p>My question to you is: Do you have the castangias to debate the issue with me to it&#8217;s logical conclusion? si o no?</p>
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		<title>By: protius</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[protius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 05:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No shag, it&#039;s Plato not playdough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No shag, it&#8217;s Plato not playdough.</p>
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		<title>By: shaggytoodle</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 05:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More like eating it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More like eating it</p>
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		<title>By: stew48</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 01:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have some of you guys been reading Plato?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have some of you guys been reading Plato?</p>
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		<title>By: protius</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[protius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 22:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[delaware,

You are the victim of a very poorly thought out, and meaningless analogy. 

Simply telling you that the “the Delaware City Water &amp; Utilities people are on the curb, not wearing rain gear, and are preparing to dig up your lawn” is absurd, because it begs the question. It assumes that the anecdote “another home in the area had burst a water main” is valid.

If the water main burst in “ANOTHER home in the area” (My emphasis), then why is the water company preparing to dig up YOUR lawn? Why does the water company need to get to your pipe?

Doesn’t it seem reasonable to believe that if the water main burst in front of your house, that your front yard would be soaked? You didn’t say it was your property that was soaked, in fact you were rather generic, “the ground is soaked and the skies are cloudy.” It is the author of the meaningless analogy that assumed you were referring to your property. 

Therefore, if the burst water main is analogous to the Bruan case, and The Delaware City Water &amp; Utilities people are analogous to MLB’s drug testing agency, and the digging up of your lawn to get to your water pipe is analogous to overturning another case using the criteria for overturning Braun’s, then two out of three premises of your argument fail, and your conclusion does not follow. 

I suggest you stick with your “it rained” analogy, and count your blessings that you process information the way you do and not like a pseudo-intellect (No one processes logic. Logic is a mechanism; it is used to reason with information). 

I’ll paraphrase an old Texas adage for the author of the meaningless analogy: Just because you pissed on your leg, doesn’t mean it isn’t raining.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>delaware,</p>
<p>You are the victim of a very poorly thought out, and meaningless analogy. </p>
<p>Simply telling you that the “the Delaware City Water &amp; Utilities people are on the curb, not wearing rain gear, and are preparing to dig up your lawn” is absurd, because it begs the question. It assumes that the anecdote “another home in the area had burst a water main” is valid.</p>
<p>If the water main burst in “ANOTHER home in the area” (My emphasis), then why is the water company preparing to dig up YOUR lawn? Why does the water company need to get to your pipe?</p>
<p>Doesn’t it seem reasonable to believe that if the water main burst in front of your house, that your front yard would be soaked? You didn’t say it was your property that was soaked, in fact you were rather generic, “the ground is soaked and the skies are cloudy.” It is the author of the meaningless analogy that assumed you were referring to your property. </p>
<p>Therefore, if the burst water main is analogous to the Bruan case, and The Delaware City Water &amp; Utilities people are analogous to MLB’s drug testing agency, and the digging up of your lawn to get to your water pipe is analogous to overturning another case using the criteria for overturning Braun’s, then two out of three premises of your argument fail, and your conclusion does not follow. </p>
<p>I suggest you stick with your “it rained” analogy, and count your blessings that you process information the way you do and not like a pseudo-intellect (No one processes logic. Logic is a mechanism; it is used to reason with information). </p>
<p>I’ll paraphrase an old Texas adage for the author of the meaningless analogy: Just because you pissed on your leg, doesn’t mean it isn’t raining.</p>
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		<title>By: larryboodry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[larryboodry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 21:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And now I see where MLB fired the arbiter...Their new Help Wanted sign will read: &#039;Arbiter Wanted - Must Be Totally Impartial When Voting in Our Favor.&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now I see where MLB fired the arbiter&#8230;Their new Help Wanted sign will read: &#8216;Arbiter Wanted &#8211; Must Be Totally Impartial When Voting in Our Favor.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: dexterismyhero</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dexterismyhero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 20:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr Selig: i think we have a leak?

You had a leak? You call what&#039;s goin&#039; on around here a leak? Boy, the last time there was a leak like this, Noah built hisself a boat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Selig: i think we have a leak?</p>
<p>You had a leak? You call what&#8217;s goin&#8217; on around here a leak? Boy, the last time there was a leak like this, Noah built hisself a boat.</p>
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		<title>By: delawarephilliesfan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[delawarephilliesfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 20:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Selig....I seem to wanna ask if you set this whole thing up, but if I do, you ain&#039;t gonna answer me, are ya?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Selig&#8230;.I seem to wanna ask if you set this whole thing up, but if I do, you ain&#8217;t gonna answer me, are ya?</p>
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		<title>By: bigleagues</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigleagues]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 19:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am sensing that mybrunoblog is an existential moralist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sensing that mybrunoblog is an existential moralist.</p>
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		<title>By: delawarephilliesfan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[delawarephilliesfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 19:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@cur - yes, exactly. Something made the ground outside my window get wet - what was it? 

Something caused Brauns sample to be positive - what was it? 

&quot;We don&#039;t know&quot; did not cause the sample to be positive. Either his sample was tampered with, it degraded, or he used PED&#039;s]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@cur &#8211; yes, exactly. Something made the ground outside my window get wet &#8211; what was it? </p>
<p>Something caused Brauns sample to be positive &#8211; what was it? </p>
<p>&#8220;We don&#8217;t know&#8221; did not cause the sample to be positive. Either his sample was tampered with, it degraded, or he used PED&#8217;s</p>
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		<title>By: sabatimus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sabatimus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 18:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True.  But, that said, the media are VULTURES who will stop at nothing to get (and hopefully break) a story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True.  But, that said, the media are VULTURES who will stop at nothing to get (and hopefully break) a story.</p>
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		<title>By: recoveringcubsfan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[recoveringcubsfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 18:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is really amazing.  First, that so many people care about a game and the judgments made by people inside and outside the game, and that we&#039;re all referring to those non-legal, subjective judgments as though they are constitutional arguments made before the Supreme Court that have social implications and we&#039;re all going to be bound by them henceforth; and second, that people want to interpret Braun&#039;s successful defense (which, come on, was a technicality since the collector didn&#039;t, as I understand it, actually fail to do his job, i.e., he met existing standards at his company) as some kind of proof that MLB is the bad guy here.  Braun getting off doesn&#039;t mean that Alfonso was framed or this is a conspiracy of silence by MLB.  It&#039;s nothing.  MLB has no problem with steroids, historically, and neither do the players, so I&#039;m not sure who the adversaries are supposed to be in this epic struggle that you guys are talking about.  I will say this: the amount of ipso-facto reasoning in this conversation - by Craig, too - is staggering.  I think even first-year law students know that an outcome does not always presuppose a significant finding - sometimes it&#039;s just a preponderance of evidence, which is a far cry from certainty.  That level of proof (or non-proof as the case may be) doesn&#039;t merit the to-the-wall vehemence Braun&#039;s defenders are bringing over their guy&#039;s pee test (which, embarrassingly, was uh, still positive and somehow refuses to have the grace to change into something else even after the union got involved.  The gall.).

Anyone being reasonable would acknowledge that Braun&#039;s case absolutely made this a no-win situation for MLB&#039;s testing program and thus Alfonso and probably others will have their suspensions overturned now, not because they are innocent or even &quot;not guilty&quot; (a technicality that for some reason Braun&#039;s proponents seem to be fascinated by), nor because it&#039;s a big MLB conspiracy, but because it&#039;s a political non-starter as an issue with traction for MLB&#039;s drug testing program at this point.  Again, though: this ain&#039;t a courtroom.  This is about appearance, marketing, the player&#039;s union, and most of all what can actually be done at this point.  

Can we get an &quot;Absence of Malice&quot; quote?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really amazing.  First, that so many people care about a game and the judgments made by people inside and outside the game, and that we&#8217;re all referring to those non-legal, subjective judgments as though they are constitutional arguments made before the Supreme Court that have social implications and we&#8217;re all going to be bound by them henceforth; and second, that people want to interpret Braun&#8217;s successful defense (which, come on, was a technicality since the collector didn&#8217;t, as I understand it, actually fail to do his job, i.e., he met existing standards at his company) as some kind of proof that MLB is the bad guy here.  Braun getting off doesn&#8217;t mean that Alfonso was framed or this is a conspiracy of silence by MLB.  It&#8217;s nothing.  MLB has no problem with steroids, historically, and neither do the players, so I&#8217;m not sure who the adversaries are supposed to be in this epic struggle that you guys are talking about.  I will say this: the amount of ipso-facto reasoning in this conversation &#8211; by Craig, too &#8211; is staggering.  I think even first-year law students know that an outcome does not always presuppose a significant finding &#8211; sometimes it&#8217;s just a preponderance of evidence, which is a far cry from certainty.  That level of proof (or non-proof as the case may be) doesn&#8217;t merit the to-the-wall vehemence Braun&#8217;s defenders are bringing over their guy&#8217;s pee test (which, embarrassingly, was uh, still positive and somehow refuses to have the grace to change into something else even after the union got involved.  The gall.).</p>
<p>Anyone being reasonable would acknowledge that Braun&#8217;s case absolutely made this a no-win situation for MLB&#8217;s testing program and thus Alfonso and probably others will have their suspensions overturned now, not because they are innocent or even &#8220;not guilty&#8221; (a technicality that for some reason Braun&#8217;s proponents seem to be fascinated by), nor because it&#8217;s a big MLB conspiracy, but because it&#8217;s a political non-starter as an issue with traction for MLB&#8217;s drug testing program at this point.  Again, though: this ain&#8217;t a courtroom.  This is about appearance, marketing, the player&#8217;s union, and most of all what can actually be done at this point.  </p>
<p>Can we get an &#8220;Absence of Malice&#8221; quote?</p>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cur68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 18:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t know any of that. Thanks TBI.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know any of that. Thanks TBI.</p>
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		<title>By: The Baseball Idiot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Baseball Idiot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 18:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They refuse Olympic testing because WADA is just the IOC&#039;s (and FIFA&#039;s) bitch, and does whatever they want.

WADA demanded, not asked, but demanded, that MLB give up all testing to them. Not just for the Olympics, but permanently, to include the regular season and playoffs, if they wanted to compete in the Olympics. MLB said no, and all of a sudden, there is no baseball in the Olympics anymore. 

As much as I detest Bud, he got this one right. 

Olympic (re: WADA) testing standards are draconian, and they test for substance that MLB doesn&#039;t, but would have made baseball players fail their drum tests.

Oh yeah, WADA also demanded, again demanded and not asked, that they be the governing body and determine the punishment given out to ball players. Considering most of the punishement given out by WADA are two-year bans, MLB had no reason to agree to any of it.

As much as I would like to see baseball in the Olympics, and as much as I hate to give credit to Bud for anything, he made the right choice on this one.  

I&#039;m pretty sure you&#039;ll find the union agreed to it also.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They refuse Olympic testing because WADA is just the IOC&#8217;s (and FIFA&#8217;s) bitch, and does whatever they want.</p>
<p>WADA demanded, not asked, but demanded, that MLB give up all testing to them. Not just for the Olympics, but permanently, to include the regular season and playoffs, if they wanted to compete in the Olympics. MLB said no, and all of a sudden, there is no baseball in the Olympics anymore. </p>
<p>As much as I detest Bud, he got this one right. </p>
<p>Olympic (re: WADA) testing standards are draconian, and they test for substance that MLB doesn&#8217;t, but would have made baseball players fail their drum tests.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, WADA also demanded, again demanded and not asked, that they be the governing body and determine the punishment given out to ball players. Considering most of the punishement given out by WADA are two-year bans, MLB had no reason to agree to any of it.</p>
<p>As much as I would like to see baseball in the Olympics, and as much as I hate to give credit to Bud for anything, he made the right choice on this one.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure you&#8217;ll find the union agreed to it also.</p>
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		<title>By: jeffrp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeffrp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 18:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not the responsibility of the media to maintain the confidentiality of the MLB testing program.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not the responsibility of the media to maintain the confidentiality of the MLB testing program.</p>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cur68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 18:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting analogy deleware. Hoist on its own petard, but interesting. You are not actually seeing it rain, but the ground is wet: assuming rain, while likely, does NOT rule out other possibilities. Given that the assumption of rain remains merely an assumption, what you are omitting to mention in your analogy, but fits the Braun/Alfonso question, is that the Delaware City Water &amp; Utilities people are on the curb, not wearing rain gear, and are preparing to dig up your lawn. Given that another home in the area had burst a water main (the Bruan case), do you still cling to the &quot;it rained&quot; assumption? In my return analogy, the Delaware City Water &amp; Utilities people = MLB&#039;s drug testing agency. The digging up of your lawn to get to your water pipe = overturning another case using the criteria for overturning Bruan&#039;s. Hence, is the &quot;The ground is soaked and the skies are cloudy&quot; assumption of rain AS likely as &quot;something&#039;s wrong with my water pipe&quot; (SWIDT)? If you still cling to &quot;it rained&quot;, we have nothing further to exchange, since you do not process logic the same way I do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting analogy deleware. Hoist on its own petard, but interesting. You are not actually seeing it rain, but the ground is wet: assuming rain, while likely, does NOT rule out other possibilities. Given that the assumption of rain remains merely an assumption, what you are omitting to mention in your analogy, but fits the Braun/Alfonso question, is that the Delaware City Water &amp; Utilities people are on the curb, not wearing rain gear, and are preparing to dig up your lawn. Given that another home in the area had burst a water main (the Bruan case), do you still cling to the &#8220;it rained&#8221; assumption? In my return analogy, the Delaware City Water &amp; Utilities people = MLB&#8217;s drug testing agency. The digging up of your lawn to get to your water pipe = overturning another case using the criteria for overturning Bruan&#8217;s. Hence, is the &#8220;The ground is soaked and the skies are cloudy&#8221; assumption of rain AS likely as &#8220;something&#8217;s wrong with my water pipe&#8221; (SWIDT)? If you still cling to &#8220;it rained&#8221;, we have nothing further to exchange, since you do not process logic the same way I do.</p>
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		<title>By: delawarephilliesfan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[delawarephilliesfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 17:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t give Bryce Harper any ideas ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t give Bryce Harper any ideas <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: larryhockett</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 16:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[. . . bangs head on wall repeatedly . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>. . . bangs head on wall repeatedly . . .</p>
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		<title>By: larryhockett</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/14/holy-ryan-braun-precedent-batman-another-ped-suspension-is-overturned/comment-page-1/#comment-300337</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[larryhockett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 16:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: muskyhunter2542</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/14/holy-ryan-braun-precedent-batman-another-ped-suspension-is-overturned/comment-page-1/#comment-300330</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[muskyhunter2542]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 16:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All of this is ESPN and Mark Fainaru-Wada fault. The Ryan Braun issue should never been known by us outside MLB.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of this is ESPN and Mark Fainaru-Wada fault. The Ryan Braun issue should never been known by us outside MLB.</p>
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		<title>By: delawarephilliesfan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[delawarephilliesfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 16:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@larry - I am not a judge, and neither are you, and hence our opinions do not have this &quot;Constitutional Burden&quot; you are trying to ascribe them.

If you don&#039;t have an opinion on whether he in fact took PED&#039;s, that is your choice. But don&#039;t tell me you are not entitled to an opinion, you are]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@larry &#8211; I am not a judge, and neither are you, and hence our opinions do not have this &#8220;Constitutional Burden&#8221; you are trying to ascribe them.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t have an opinion on whether he in fact took PED&#8217;s, that is your choice. But don&#8217;t tell me you are not entitled to an opinion, you are</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo1949</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/14/holy-ryan-braun-precedent-batman-another-ped-suspension-is-overturned/comment-page-1/#comment-300312</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 16:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure, now you want to introduce logic into an internet argument. Lots of luck with that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, now you want to introduce logic into an internet argument. Lots of luck with that.</p>
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		<title>By: shaggytoodle</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/14/holy-ryan-braun-precedent-batman-another-ped-suspension-is-overturned/comment-page-1/#comment-300296</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shaggytoodle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 15:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe there isn&#039;t a techincallity. Maybe the procedure does have a flaw. Thats why this is happening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe there isn&#8217;t a techincallity. Maybe the procedure does have a flaw. Thats why this is happening.</p>
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		<title>By: larryhockett</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/14/holy-ryan-braun-precedent-batman-another-ped-suspension-is-overturned/comment-page-1/#comment-300291</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[larryhockett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 15:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, delaware, not &quot;innocent.&quot;  Just &quot;not guilty.&quot;  And that means more than you give it credit for.  We cannot say he is guilty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, delaware, not &#8220;innocent.&#8221;  Just &#8220;not guilty.&#8221;  And that means more than you give it credit for.  We cannot say he is guilty.</p>
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		<title>By: somekat</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/14/holy-ryan-braun-precedent-batman-another-ped-suspension-is-overturned/comment-page-1/#comment-300290</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[somekat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 15:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why would it? MLB doesn&#039;t use anything close to Olympic standards


Funny how the union refuses olympic standard drug testing, then complains that the procudure has problems. If you want the cheaper tests (so you can get away with the designer drugs), they tend to have draw backs]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would it? MLB doesn&#8217;t use anything close to Olympic standards</p>
<p>Funny how the union refuses olympic standard drug testing, then complains that the procudure has problems. If you want the cheaper tests (so you can get away with the designer drugs), they tend to have draw backs</p>
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		<title>By: delawarephilliesfan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[delawarephilliesfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 15:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cur - we say we don&#039;t have &quot;any&quot; of the facts, but that is not the case. Read Brauns own defense. Plenty is known.

Again, take Braun at his word, You still have a sample that came in positive. So if he is innocent it comes down to tampering (perhaps by neglect) or degrading of the sample. 

I am looking out my window right now. The ground is soaked and the skies are cloudy. I never saw it rain. According to you, it is impossible to know if it rained. 

You want to believe he is innocent, fine. But you can&#039;t say there are no facts. There are plenty]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cur &#8211; we say we don&#8217;t have &#8220;any&#8221; of the facts, but that is not the case. Read Brauns own defense. Plenty is known.</p>
<p>Again, take Braun at his word, You still have a sample that came in positive. So if he is innocent it comes down to tampering (perhaps by neglect) or degrading of the sample. </p>
<p>I am looking out my window right now. The ground is soaked and the skies are cloudy. I never saw it rain. According to you, it is impossible to know if it rained. </p>
<p>You want to believe he is innocent, fine. But you can&#8217;t say there are no facts. There are plenty</p>
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		<title>By: delawarephilliesfan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[delawarephilliesfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 15:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lol,  good one. And yes, we all need to lighten up on that topic.

I believe it was Voltaire who said &quot;If Ryan Braun didn&#039;t exist, he would have to be invented&quot;

And Descartes noted &quot;Ryan Braun appealed his suspension, therefore he is&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol,  good one. And yes, we all need to lighten up on that topic.</p>
<p>I believe it was Voltaire who said &#8220;If Ryan Braun didn&#8217;t exist, he would have to be invented&#8221;</p>
<p>And Descartes noted &#8220;Ryan Braun appealed his suspension, therefore he is&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cur68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 15:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think, delaware, that what we are going with is &quot;we do not have any of the facts, evidence, or actual, first hand knowledge of what happened with that sample&quot;. The people who DO have that knowledge judged &quot;Not Guilty&quot;. They&#039;ve now gone so far as to use that same reasoning to overturn another case that fit that criteria. &quot;Looks Guilty&quot; does NOT = &quot;Guilty&quot;: and, no matter how you argue it, ever will be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, delaware, that what we are going with is &#8220;we do not have any of the facts, evidence, or actual, first hand knowledge of what happened with that sample&#8221;. The people who DO have that knowledge judged &#8220;Not Guilty&#8221;. They&#8217;ve now gone so far as to use that same reasoning to overturn another case that fit that criteria. &#8220;Looks Guilty&#8221; does NOT = &#8220;Guilty&#8221;: and, no matter how you argue it, ever will be.</p>
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		<title>By: badmamainphilliesjamas</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/14/holy-ryan-braun-precedent-batman-another-ped-suspension-is-overturned/comment-page-1/#comment-300257</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[badmamainphilliesjamas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 15:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it interesting that many who profess to care so much about the &quot;integrity of the game&quot; care so little about the integrity of the testing/disciplinary process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that many who profess to care so much about the &#8220;integrity of the game&#8221; care so little about the integrity of the testing/disciplinary process.</p>
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		<title>By: delawarephilliesfan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[delawarephilliesfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 15:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I guess you are going with tampered?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I guess you are going with tampered?</p>
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