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An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind

May 15, 2012, 9:12 AM EDT

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I think Yogi Berra said that. No time to check.

Anyway, we had guys throwing at each other last night in Los Angeles. No one hit anyone, however. And nothing was really settled either, because someone apparently lost count of who hit who when and apparently some slights and vendettas never die.

Clayton Kershaw threw a pitch at Ian Kennedy. Why? Because earlier Kennedy threw a pitch at Kershaw. Why? Because last fall Hong-Chih Kuo threw at Gerardo Parra‘s head.  Why? Because last July Parra preened and strutted some after he hit a homer off Kuo.

Somewhere, some Old School Prestigious baseball elder could probably explain when proper justice had been meted out in all of this, but it would contradict what some other Old School Prestigious player thought. There’s rarely any consensus here. Just idiots throwing baseballs at one another and making it increasingly likely that someone will eventually get hurt.

Well, there’s comedy too. When asked about Kennedy throwing at Kershaw, Dbacks catcher Miguel Montero explained it by saying “Kershaw has a long swing, so we had to pitch him in.” Um, ok. But hey: since he lied about it, no one will get suspended I presume.

Ah, Old School Baseball.

  1. missthedayswhenwedidnthavetologin - May 15, 2012 at 9:30 AM

    Boy this “old school baseball” shit is becoming cliche real quick.

    • The Baseball Idiot - May 15, 2012 at 11:25 AM

      It is obviously not ‘old school’ if players have always done it. It’s part of the culture of baseball, just like people cheating on their taxes.

      Something cannot be old school if the use of it today is just as current as it has ever been. Just because one dumbass pitcher shot his mouth off about something he doesn’t know anything about doesn’t mean it’s a trueism.

      Instead of trying to insult some of us older guys by using the cliche ‘old school’, why not instead attack the locker room mentatility of athletes and professional sports, which is much older than throwing at batters.

  2. frankvzappa - May 15, 2012 at 9:41 AM

    I get enough football sissification propaganda from Florio over at PFT. And same from Yerdon on hockey. And now this.

    Et tu, Craig?

    • Utley's Hair - May 15, 2012 at 10:31 AM

      There aren’t enough bloodthirsty sports for you to sink your teeth into? Why not just watch MMA, where the sole intention is for one guy to beat the other guy utterly senseless and bloody? Baseball is not, and should not be a violent sport, and the risk of injury should not include baseballs being launched toward one another.

      • sabatimus - May 15, 2012 at 10:44 AM

        And yet, somehow baseballs being launched toward one another has been around for many decades.

      • Utley's Hair - May 15, 2012 at 10:54 AM

        Religion and greed have been used to justify violence and murder for thousands of years. Steroids have been around for years. Greenies were around for years. The same holds true for slavery, lynchings, racism, segregation, etc.

        Just because something has been “around for decades” does not make it right.

      • bmorelikeme - May 15, 2012 at 11:00 AM

        If you’re really going to compare a lynching to a baseball being thrown at one’s backside, this debate isn’t going to go anywhere.

      • Utley's Hair - May 15, 2012 at 11:06 AM

        My point is the last statement. Just because something has been around for any amount of time doesn’t mean that it’s right or justified. Or that it makes the game better. How long did they have stationary bases, or hockey goals, etc.? Games change…and most of the time for the better.

      • frankvzappa - May 15, 2012 at 11:11 AM

        Typical American pc bs. Everybody needs to be told how to act by an authority figure, and anybody who doesn’t agree with that is a caveman, right? You must love Obama.

        This country was built by some of the greatest men who ever lived. It is really a shame that those great and brave men bequeathed what they built to a bunch of spineless cowards who have traded freedom of thought and expression for the right to worship authority and whatever authority says is best.

        Go ahead and worship your masters, Utley, but that doesn’t mean we all have to.

      • Utley's Hair - May 15, 2012 at 11:54 AM

        PC? No. Civil? Yes. You can honestly tell me that changes to a game to minimize injury is bad for the sport?

        You and your damn conspiracy theories. Everybody’s out to get you. Look out behind you!!!

      • sabatimus - May 15, 2012 at 12:08 PM

        Utley, I didn’t say it was right. I’m not saying it isn’t stupid–it is. I wasn’t defending the act. I was merely pointing out a crucial fact in the history of the league. The real issue is WHY throwing at other players has been allowed to happen for so long–somebody in power must’ve endorsed it or not seen much wrong with it, because it persists to this day. At least actual beanballs don’t happen that much nowadays.

        I do know one thing though: Hamels, Kershaw, Kennedy…they’re all generating more controversy, which means more money for the news people.

      • 18thstreet - May 15, 2012 at 12:16 PM

        It never, ever fails to amaze me when commenters here turn a baseball discussions into a political one (“You must love Obama”).

        You’re reading the comments of a total partisan hack (though one who tries to stay aware of his political biases in order to minimize them), and even I don’t watch baseball games thinking, “Sarah Palin would intentionally walk Pujols here” or “Steve King is probably opposed to Andruw Jones taking at bats away from Americans.”

        That said, I’m fascinated that throwing at batters becomes the next logical step of the great men who built this country. If Paul Revere were alive today, apparently he’d be leading the league in purpose pitches.

        frankvzappa: Get a life.

      • crashdavis99 - May 15, 2012 at 12:35 PM

        frankvzappa : “great and brave men”…how about racist, power hungry pigs who enslaved 12 million Africans? “Bequeathed what they built’….how about passed down what they stole from the Native Americans? “All men are created equal”…well, you know what we mean! Please, spare me the fairy tales about the birth of this nation.

      • bsbiz - May 15, 2012 at 2:31 PM

        To be fair, you can also choke someone out in MMA…

    • frankvzappa - May 15, 2012 at 12:58 PM

      The fact remains that I am the only one here that is not a fascist apologist. How about nobody ever eats Alaskan King Crab ever again because it is possible somebody may get hurt or killed catching them? Oh wait, you mean they get paid to take those risks and they like their culture the way it is without being told what to do by a bunch of do-gooding nazis? Imagine that.

      You know what, miners take risks, so no more mining either. And there is a chance that planes crash, so no more flying either. Computers could cause carpal tunnel, so those are out too. Let’s just all burrow underground to make sure there is no chance we get hit by a goddamned meteorite falling from the sky. There. I’ve got it. Seen the light. We must save ourselves from ourselves and the world from ourselves and ourselves from the world and the world from the world. Logic be damned!

      • 18thstreet - May 15, 2012 at 1:07 PM

        Do-gooding Nazis. Yep.

      • Utley's Hair - May 15, 2012 at 1:10 PM

        And yet, people try to make each and every one of those occupations safer for the practitioners. Imagine that.

      • frankvzappa - May 15, 2012 at 1:11 PM

        and crashdavis99, the self-loathing you feel from America-hating propagandists shoving white-guilt down your throat is unfortunate…stole from native americans? the most powerful nation on earth was stolen? i was under the impression that a plague wiped out 98% of the native population and european settlers set about building what was left into the most powerful nation on earth…and if it wasn’t for those people you would be living in a teepee instead of using that computer…although i guess that is what all liberals truly want anyway, so i guess you would be happy with that…

      • Utley's Hair - May 15, 2012 at 1:14 PM

        Oh, and how is everybody else here a fascist apologist? There are some polar opposite opinions on here. Bipartisan fascist apologism? Or something…? Methinks your tinfoil hat might be a tad too tight.

      • 18thstreet - May 15, 2012 at 1:24 PM

        If anything shows Frank’s grasp of the nuances of history, it’s the phrase “Do-gooding Nazis.”

      • bsbiz - May 15, 2012 at 2:33 PM

        I just snorted twice and fell out of my chair at the zappa response to his own comment. Wow. There’s comedy, high comedy, and then that response.

      • Old Gator - May 15, 2012 at 3:47 PM

        Wounded Knee: somewhere between 150-200 Lakota men, women and children killed within fifteen minutes by one of the worst outbreaks of the common cold ever seen. Right wing jackasses like FVZ above coined the term “winchester virus” to describe the pathogen.

      • granadafan - May 15, 2012 at 6:06 PM

        “fascist apologists”??? Someone’s been listening to too much extremist far right wing talk shows. Which teabagger candidate are you voting for, frankvzappa? BTW, fascists and nazis were right wingers as are the neo-nazis today.

      • frankvzappa - May 15, 2012 at 6:12 PM

        Anybody who doesn’t vote for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson is a traitor, since you ask.

      • Old Gator - May 15, 2012 at 7:01 PM

        Well, that’s going to make traitors out of about a hundred and twenty million Americans or so. The rest aren’t old enough to vote yet. That would mean that a sizable majority of Americans are traitors, which by definition would make anyone stupid enough to vote for Ron Paul traitors to them….and even a moron like you should be able to discern the significance of that in a nation where majority rule is the order of the day.

      • frankvzappa - May 16, 2012 at 11:29 AM

        People vote who the media tells them to vote for. People think what the media tells them to think, and they pass it off as their own thinking. Doesn’t mean every last one of them isn’t brainwashed.

  3. senorsharkfin - May 15, 2012 at 9:42 AM

    Great article, now only if you had your facts straight… Parra walked out his HR trot after a pitch was thrown at his head in the same AB, then Kershaw yelled at Parra from the dugout…something like “We’ll see tomorrow”, followed by Kershaw plunking Parra the following game (all last year). This all lead up to the activities that took place last night… Make more sense now?

    • nategearhart - May 15, 2012 at 10:02 AM

      You just validated Craig’s point…why bother keeping track of any of it? Just play ball.

    • akismet-e6748cca3a16ea6e8283008d25583adc - May 15, 2012 at 12:16 PM

      Was just going to post this same comment.

      Parra did NOT start this; Kuo threw a ball at his face. Maybe you could argue that the pitch was unintentional but I don’t blame Parra for his actions after having a 90mph pitch straight at his jaw.

  4. Roger Moore - May 15, 2012 at 9:49 AM

    Next, you’re probably going to suggest some kind of hippie-dippie peace and love solution, like the Commissioner’s office putting both teams on notice and handing out fines and suspensions if they keep it up. Why can’t we just let the players settle this for themselves? /sarcasm

  5. unlost1 - May 15, 2012 at 9:53 AM

    hahaha- you are suspended for 15 minutes or until the national anthem & the commercials are over!

  6. skeleteeth - May 15, 2012 at 10:11 AM

    Sellers catch was far more exciting than two pitchers almost hitting each other…

  7. Utley's Hair - May 15, 2012 at 10:26 AM

    New old school baseball tradition suggestion here: rather than launching 90+mph projectiles at other human beings, change the 7th inning stretch to a steel cage match duel to the death. That way nobody can claim not to know something was coming, and the pitcher runs the same risk as the supposed target.

    These are supposed to be grown damn men, right?

  8. sabatimus - May 15, 2012 at 10:42 AM

    I think this is all pathetic and hilarious at the same time. Both pitchers throwing at each other in the same game, and neither of them gets hit? You can’t make this stuff up.

  9. bmorelikeme - May 15, 2012 at 10:58 AM

    Seriously, it’s just part of the game. That’s the way its always been and always will be. Constantly blogging about it won’t change anything.

    And drop the old school thing, it’s run it’s course.

    • Craig Calcaterra - May 15, 2012 at 11:02 AM

      The vast majority of the criticism I received for the Cole Hamels stuff was “why do you only point it out when the Phillies are involved?!!”

      So I point it out, and the response is “this is old news! Move along!”


      • Old Gator - May 15, 2012 at 11:08 AM

        Craig, Gandhi said “An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.” But you were close – Gandhi was pretty much a yogi anyway.

      • sabatimus - May 15, 2012 at 12:39 PM

        People just love to hate. Behind an internet connection. Sign of the times.

    • Utley's Hair - May 15, 2012 at 11:55 AM

      It’s a part of the game that needs to be changed.

  10. leerosenthall - May 15, 2012 at 11:26 AM

    Will Kershaw or Kennedy be fined or suspended for a start or two? Of course not. That justice is only meted out to those who answer reporters honestly.

  11. phillyphreak - May 15, 2012 at 11:37 AM

    So, jerks everywhere!

  12. akismet-e6748cca3a16ea6e8283008d25583adc - May 15, 2012 at 12:19 PM

    Its baseball. Its been played the same way for 100s of years. Without the benefit of some sort of minor penalty for such infractions that exists in other sports (2 min penalties in NHL, 15 yrd flags in NFL, yellow cards in NBA, technical fouls in NBA), actions have to be managed out on the field. If you think this is all juvenile or stupid … well I guess you’ve never played baseball, wouldn’t understand and so you should keep your trap shut.

    • The Common Man - May 15, 2012 at 3:23 PM

      1) Yes, multiple hundreds of years. Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds.
      2) It’s true, you’re not allowed to have any opinion on the game unless you’ve actually played it. Which Craig obviously hasn’t, because they don’t let kids with glasses play in Little League. Or they shouldn’t. I remember getting all of my walks and weak grounders through the legs of the second baseman naturally. So shut up Craig, and go watch baseball with Manny Ramirez, Ryan Braun and Jeff Bagwell, is what I’m saying.

  13. jimeejohnson - May 15, 2012 at 1:23 PM

    Craig: just remember what Ken Kesey said: there are always going to be more stupid than smart people. Hence, the hippie/Obama inferences. I’ve got way long hair, voted for Obomber (never again, Democrats) but I love guns and archery, use a metal slingshot for plunking, and watch a lot of boxing and practice the mixed martial arts. My favorite sport TO PLAY was always hockey, probably because of the skating (grew up in the north country), and I can throw a mean hip check and take one just as well. So when the limited intelligence contingent tries to link a call for an end to head hunting to progressive ideology, it reveals their inherent (and possibly inbred) ignorance. Heck, it’s always easier to adapt the petty hate of Mommy and Daddy and not think for one’s self. That’s also why Fox news is so popular: there will always be more stupid than smart people.

  14. 1historian - May 15, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    Hatfields v. McCoys carried on for generations

    Catholics v. Protestants carried on for 4 centuries

    Muslims STILL pissed about the crusades 11 centuries ago

    If you have a grudge against, about – whatever, and you pass it on to the next generation, it is just plain


    It may of course be a lot of other things too, but just plain stupid HAS to be one of them.

    Same with this silly issue

  15. yahmule - May 15, 2012 at 11:42 PM

    I love that guys like Zappa are doomed to never realize their apoplectic bleatings harm their misguided causes more than they help them.

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