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Pirates fans attack a PNC park security guard and police officer; guard loses a finger

May 16, 2012, 5:50 PM EDT

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Every time some bad fan behavior happens in Philly, someone says “hey, why don’t you ever mention it when some other fans go nuts?” Well, fine. But I’m keeping it in Pennsylvania:

A Pirates security supervisor lost his finger and a Pittsburgh police officer was hurt when a woman’s refusal to leave PNC Park this weekend touched off a fight … “While defending himself, [the security guard] got his left hand caught on the fence, and when he was pulled by both (defendants) his left middle finger was ripped off at the second knuckle and was hanging by a piece of skin,” Detective Rende wrote in the complaint.

Ugh! Apparently the finger was reattached in surgery, so I suppose it could have been worse. But man.

This all started, by the way, because the woman was smoking in her seat at the smoke-free ballpark. As she was being asked to leave, her boyfriend attacked the security guard and then her 50 year-old father joined in, leading to the de-digitization of the poor security guard.

As the woman was being put in a police car, she was spitting and kicking, so the officer used what is referred to as a “palm strike” technique to subdue her, during which he injured his shoulder.

And, yes, the attorney for the fans here is making noises about the police using too much force. Which, in light of the beating/tasing episode at PNC Park last year, is probably something that will have some legs given that that incident at least raised some questions about whether the police properly handled a belligerent fan last year.

But hey, the emo guys still thinks it’s a great ballpark.

(via Big League Stew)

  1. heyzeus143 - May 16, 2012 at 5:53 PM

    the pirates can’t hit…in other news….

  2. syracuse451 - May 16, 2012 at 5:57 PM

    I was really hoping that a story involving losing a finger at the Pirate’s stadium at least involved buccaneers and swords. Major letdown

  3. yuazda - May 16, 2012 at 6:00 PM

    Don’t you mean Pirate *fan*?

  4. jolt12 - May 16, 2012 at 6:07 PM

    I am not familiar with the ‘palm strike’ maneuver but I sure would advocate the ‘closed fist’ style on this ‘lady’.

    • CJ - May 17, 2012 at 7:36 AM

      it’s gotta be pretty tough to close your fist with a dangling finger in the way….

  5. frankvzappa - May 16, 2012 at 6:10 PM

    How dare anyone suggest that the militarized jackbooted police use too much force?

    • Utley's Hair - May 16, 2012 at 7:31 PM

      Your life must seriously suck, what with everybody out to get you.

      • frankvzappa - May 16, 2012 at 7:40 PM

        Deny, fascist apologist. Don’t think, just deny.

      • Utley's Hair - May 16, 2012 at 8:00 PM

        You need help, man. I pity you. I pity that you find it so incredibly horrible to live in this country, and yet, you don’t leave.

      • Old Gator - May 16, 2012 at 11:21 PM

        I am the one hiding under your bed
        Teeth ground sharp and eyes glowing red!
        I am the one hiding under your stairs
        Fingers like snakes and spiders in my hair!

        It’s not nice to make fun of the emotionally ill, but in your case….giggle.

      • cur68 - May 17, 2012 at 12:37 AM

        Zappa, can I be considered a fascist apologist too? It looks like a cool club but entrance requirements involve being named by you and they wont let me join unless you say so. So, um;

        Nicht rauchen, Fräulein! Und geben Sie diesem Mann seinen Finger zurück!

        Is that fascist enough?

      • Joe - May 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM

        Cops do this kind of stuff all the time. Pointing it out doesn’t make you paranoid, nor does it (necessarily) mean you think this is a horrible country–unless noting the prevalence of police abuse somehow automatically equals hatred of this country.

        I’d say Mr. Zappa’s main crimes here are posting an hour-long video about the police on a baseball site and going straight for the f word.

      • Utley's Hair - May 17, 2012 at 4:13 PM

        Zappa’s main crime on THIS thread is embedding that video and using the “fascist apologist” moniker. However, if you read the thread yesterday about the pseudo-plunkfest, as well as upwards of half of his total posts on HBT—yes, believe it or not, he does periodically stick to baseball…I know, right?—launch into antigovernment and antiauthority diatribes. So there’s that.

      • Joe - May 17, 2012 at 8:10 PM

        Ah, I see now. I’ve never seen zappa around here before so that thread from the other day adds a bit of missing perspective.

  6. cmdrsmooth - May 16, 2012 at 6:17 PM

    Perhaps they were Philly fans?

    • cleverbob - May 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM


  7. yaryers - May 16, 2012 at 6:18 PM

    Emo is such a vague and uneducated term. All music is emotional…so isn’t all music Emo? Indie music is just rock music…why can’t people understand that rock music now (no, I’m not talking about Nickelback or Creed, I’m talking good music) is just as good as it was in the 60s and 70s? Why is it that the Foo Fighters are so well received and a band like Brand New or Manchester Orchestra or Death Cab For Cutie get labeled Emo? It’s all really good, and it’s all derived from the same ideas.

    • seeinred87 - May 17, 2012 at 10:06 AM

      Well said. I don’t get all the downthumbing for this post.

  8. The Baseball Idiot - May 16, 2012 at 6:18 PM

    proudlycanadian supports this and has asked for Pittsburgh to be annexed to Ontario.

  9. mybrunoblog - May 16, 2012 at 6:40 PM

    They have a name for this lady an her well bred family: Garbage.

  10. Jonny 5 - May 16, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    The opening paragraph was beautiful. I knew a kid when I was in grammar school who had his middle finger reattached. It was longer than it should have been by a good 3/4”. We always begged him to flick us off with it, and it was freakin hilarious.

  11. paul621 - May 16, 2012 at 7:04 PM

    It’s not the fact that fan transgressions elsewhere aren’t mentioned, it’s that the ones from Philly are presented with the attitude of “what did you expect, it’s Philly?” Incidents in other cities tend to get reported as one-time anomalies from a crazy person or non-fan, not a representation of a whole fan base or city.

  12. catamount1 - May 16, 2012 at 7:15 PM

    paul621, Are you serious? Of course Philthy fan is going to be characterized this way more than other fan bases. Have you not been to a Philthadelphia game before? Obnoxious, rude, disgusting, dangerous etc.

    As they say on Monday Night Countdown…. Come On Man!

    • paul621 - May 16, 2012 at 8:23 PM

      Yeah, I’m serious. Have you been to a game anywhere? What you described captures a segment of the crowd at every game I’ve ever been too, regardless of city or sport. Key being SEGMENT. You’re really just making my point–everywhere else, it’s characterized as an anomaly among peace-loving fans; with Philly (note the spelling–“Philthy” isn’t clever or original) it’s always pitched as a character issue of all 44,000 people in the stadium, if not all 5 million people in the market.

      • biasedhomer - May 16, 2012 at 10:01 PM

        Actually, the spelling Philly with “Philthy” tells you that the poster has the mentality of a adolescent boy, or in most cases, actually is one. Such a person is not worthy of arguing with, unless you too are of the same mindset; as they say, birds of a feather flock together.

  13. buffalomafia - May 16, 2012 at 7:31 PM

    Are the Pirates ever gonna make playoffs?

  14. voteforno6 - May 16, 2012 at 7:41 PM

    Typical behavior for smokers.

    • jimeejohnson - May 16, 2012 at 8:14 PM

      Tobacco does not make you violent. If you think that I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

      • jimbo1949 - May 16, 2012 at 10:11 PM

        “Tobacco does not make you violent.”
        No, but the denial of tobacco makes some people violent. See above article.

  15. profvaccaro - May 16, 2012 at 7:58 PM

    Instead of focusing on the negative, spend your time productively and win some free tickets from Topps.

    There’s a Pirates campaign going on for free box seat tickets to a game on May 26. Follow @ToppsPennant or check out

  16. profvaccaro - May 16, 2012 at 7:58 PM

    Pirates fans …Instead of focusing on the negative, spend your time productively and win some free tickets from Topps.

    There’s a Pirates campaign going on for free box seat tickets to a game on May 26. Follow @ToppsPennant or check out

  17. Panda Claus - May 16, 2012 at 8:00 PM

    MLB should send Brett Lawrie to Pittsburgh during his four-game suspension to deal with this lady and her family. She’ll learn what excessive force really is then.

  18. flyeredup - May 16, 2012 at 8:08 PM

    Shoot all 3 of them.

    • Utley's Hair - May 16, 2012 at 8:49 PM

      I see we now have the anti-Zappa.

      • recoveringcubsfan - May 16, 2012 at 10:36 PM

        Is any of it really more extreme than you telling someone to “love it or leave it”? That’s one of the dumbest, most reactionary things an American can say.

      • Utley's Hair - May 16, 2012 at 11:23 PM

        Zappa’s diatribes have long suggested that he hates the way this country operates. And I didn’t say that he should leave, just that, were I to feel the way he does, I wouldn’t stick around. He also said that anybody who doesn’t vote for one of two also-ran candidates is a traitor.

  19. larryboodry - May 16, 2012 at 9:30 PM

    I’m with flyeredup on this one…Just shoot the three idiots and be done with it.

  20. charbycharlie - May 16, 2012 at 10:37 PM

    He is not “out of control”. He didn’t cold cock the guy. He threw his helmet and it DID take a unfortunate hop. You can’t sit there and honestly say it bounces exactly as it should have. That is stupid. If you believe that, I challenge you to tape a video of you throwing a helmet in the exact same manner and velocity 10 times in a row and see if it is the same every time. Post it to YouTube and then retract your statement, because you will get 10 different outcomes.

    • Utley's Hair - May 16, 2012 at 11:50 PM

      Wrong thread

  21. cereal blogger - May 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM

    Sounds like your everyday western PA folk. The real story may be that someone was actually at a Pirates game

    • Old Gator - May 17, 2012 at 12:09 AM

      According to the DNA evidence, inbreeding began in earnest in and around Peetsburgh during the 18th century, then spread rapidly southward throughout Appalachia.

  22. nflinla - May 16, 2012 at 11:44 PM

    Wait, this didn’t happen in LA?

  23. phillyphan83 - May 17, 2012 at 12:10 AM

    stay classy shitsburgh

  24. vallewho - May 17, 2012 at 1:22 AM

    the officer used what is referred to as a “palm strike” technique to subdue her, during which he injured his shoulder. – hope he used the Bas Rutten technique

    • cleverbob - May 17, 2012 at 7:34 AM

      Witnesses confirmed the officer yelled, “bong, bong, bong, dagata dagata da” during the melee.

  25. lostsok - May 17, 2012 at 1:47 AM

    Pretty rude of the guard to, you know…give her the finger.

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