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	<title>Comments on: Chris Perez rips Indians fans for poor attendance and booing</title>
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		<title>By: mrmafaka</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mrmafaka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 00:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cleveland will support a winner, a 4 game lead in May is nice for now, but a winner is a World Series Championship, keep winning, nothing less, and the fans will come, but anything less than a WS is the same old same old, Perez, don&#039;t get it, Cleveland fans are the most snake bit in ALL sports, and they are the most sincere of ALL sports, win and watch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cleveland will support a winner, a 4 game lead in May is nice for now, but a winner is a World Series Championship, keep winning, nothing less, and the fans will come, but anything less than a WS is the same old same old, Perez, don&#8217;t get it, Cleveland fans are the most snake bit in ALL sports, and they are the most sincere of ALL sports, win and watch.</p>
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		<title>By: lookatitright</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lookatitright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 20:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The bottom line is the Indians are last in average home attendance in the major leagues so far in 2012 and next to last in total home attendance in 2012. So far in 2012 they have the 7th best record in all of MLB.  

In 2011 Cleveland failed to draw 2 million, only six teams in all of MLB finished below them in average home attendance. Meanwhile the team finished 16 out of 30 teams in W-L pct., right in the middle of the pack.  We can only live on those 455 sellouts in the 90&#039;s for so long. The franchise is slowly falling towards the level of the 1960&#039;s. How much longer before we hear talk about moving? The weather sucks too often, the team isn&#039;t consistent and the fans feel like Dolan just can&#039;t or won&#039;t do what they need to win.  But that doesn&#039;t cut it. There are always tickets available for a discount of some sort or at below face value on the &quot;secondary market.&quot; No, in this economy an unemployed person can&#039;t take the family to a game, but there are an awful lot of other people who can afford it but, for whatever reason, just don&#039;t feel like going to the old ballgame. I agree with Chris Perez 100%]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is the Indians are last in average home attendance in the major leagues so far in 2012 and next to last in total home attendance in 2012. So far in 2012 they have the 7th best record in all of MLB.  </p>
<p>In 2011 Cleveland failed to draw 2 million, only six teams in all of MLB finished below them in average home attendance. Meanwhile the team finished 16 out of 30 teams in W-L pct., right in the middle of the pack.  We can only live on those 455 sellouts in the 90&#8242;s for so long. The franchise is slowly falling towards the level of the 1960&#8242;s. How much longer before we hear talk about moving? The weather sucks too often, the team isn&#8217;t consistent and the fans feel like Dolan just can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t do what they need to win.  But that doesn&#8217;t cut it. There are always tickets available for a discount of some sort or at below face value on the &#8220;secondary market.&#8221; No, in this economy an unemployed person can&#8217;t take the family to a game, but there are an awful lot of other people who can afford it but, for whatever reason, just don&#8217;t feel like going to the old ballgame. I agree with Chris Perez 100%</p>
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		<title>By: rico7207</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rico7207]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 18:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry Perez but tickets cost way too much to watch garbage relief pitching. Look at the Indians relief ERA&#039;s. Winning or not, it&#039;s only a matter of time for the big fall with the garbage relief pitching on this team, who can&#039;t throw strike when called upon and walk batters, and lose by not even getting hit. I work too hard for my $$$$ to spend it on garbage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Perez but tickets cost way too much to watch garbage relief pitching. Look at the Indians relief ERA&#8217;s. Winning or not, it&#8217;s only a matter of time for the big fall with the garbage relief pitching on this team, who can&#8217;t throw strike when called upon and walk batters, and lose by not even getting hit. I work too hard for my $$$$ to spend it on garbage.</p>
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		<title>By: theghostofberniekosar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[theghostofberniekosar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 13:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who&#039;s going to be traded at the deadline this year?  I guess it depends who&#039;s playing the best...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s going to be traded at the deadline this year?  I guess it depends who&#8217;s playing the best&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: couldntthinkofaname</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[couldntthinkofaname]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 03:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stay classy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stay classy.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Gillman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Gillman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 19:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Attention to Mr. Dan Gilbert, please buy the Indians frnachise.  With the Gladiators, the Cavs, and now Horsehoe Casino, you can own the city of Cleveland, and you aren&#039;t afraid to spend money, because you have it.  Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attention to Mr. Dan Gilbert, please buy the Indians frnachise.  With the Gladiators, the Cavs, and now Horsehoe Casino, you can own the city of Cleveland, and you aren&#8217;t afraid to spend money, because you have it.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo1949</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jimbo1949]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 16:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Perez rips fans for not showing up and for booing him during his last outing two days ago against Mariners.&quot;
.
I know you misread this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Perez rips fans for not showing up and for booing him during his last outing two days ago against Mariners.&#8221;<br />
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I know you misread this.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 14:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Damn, Cleveland fans.  Who do they think they are?  Not having money to spend on entertainment because they are &quot;unemployed&quot; during a &quot;tough economy&quot; and live in a &quot;dying city&quot; because US businesses decided to ship millions of industrial jobs over seas to enhance profit margins.  What a bunch of selfish people, spending their money on food, electricity, and rent/mortgage when their are entitled men who play a kids game for obscene money that need their egos stroked by cheers just to get through the day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, Cleveland fans.  Who do they think they are?  Not having money to spend on entertainment because they are &#8220;unemployed&#8221; during a &#8220;tough economy&#8221; and live in a &#8220;dying city&#8221; because US businesses decided to ship millions of industrial jobs over seas to enhance profit margins.  What a bunch of selfish people, spending their money on food, electricity, and rent/mortgage when their are entitled men who play a kids game for obscene money that need their egos stroked by cheers just to get through the day.</p>
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		<title>By: jayquintana</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jayquintana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 14:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How DARE the people of Cleveland not spend their hard earned money on overpriced tickets to watch a middling team with spoiled athletes play baseball!  How dare they!

I love sports but I&#039;m proud to say that every year I spend less and less on it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How DARE the people of Cleveland not spend their hard earned money on overpriced tickets to watch a middling team with spoiled athletes play baseball!  How dare they!</p>
<p>I love sports but I&#8217;m proud to say that every year I spend less and less on it.</p>
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		<title>By: bigtrav425</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigtrav425]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 13:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Chris Perez.....do me and us tribe fans a favor and go out n tear your rotator cuff....thanks a bunch scumbag! you just earned yourself some more boo&#039;s!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Chris Perez&#8230;..do me and us tribe fans a favor and go out n tear your rotator cuff&#8230;.thanks a bunch scumbag! you just earned yourself some more boo&#8217;s!</p>
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		<title>By: bigtrav425</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigtrav425]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 13:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[your are DEAD on my friend! im glad i scrolled thru this first because i was going to say everything you did....this can mostly be blamed on management with the rest on the economy..thats it..i cant say anything good that i can think of about the Dolans or Shapiro who have done a horrible job since they have been here..Shapiro kept his job based on 1 trade (bartolo trade) and thats it...95% of his other moves have been bad moves...i also have to throw in there whoever is in charge of drafting as well.been some bad draft pics too...long story short when the Dolans get serious and thte GM makes sosme good moves and we have more then a fluke yr or half season us,the fans will come out to support them...even if beers are 9-10 bucks a pop]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your are DEAD on my friend! im glad i scrolled thru this first because i was going to say everything you did&#8230;.this can mostly be blamed on management with the rest on the economy..thats it..i cant say anything good that i can think of about the Dolans or Shapiro who have done a horrible job since they have been here..Shapiro kept his job based on 1 trade (bartolo trade) and thats it&#8230;95% of his other moves have been bad moves&#8230;i also have to throw in there whoever is in charge of drafting as well.been some bad draft pics too&#8230;long story short when the Dolans get serious and thte GM makes sosme good moves and we have more then a fluke yr or half season us,the fans will come out to support them&#8230;even if beers are 9-10 bucks a pop</p>
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		<title>By: anthropinion</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anthropinion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 13:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cleveland will not make playoffs. So, who cares.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cleveland will not make playoffs. So, who cares.</p>
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		<title>By: takemytalentstosoutheuclid</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[takemytalentstosoutheuclid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 12:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Attn: Chris Perez

Try walking your ass over to the dugout one of these games and have a chat with Sandy Alomar, Jr. Ask him what Cleveland fans are capable of, what it was like when he was your age, playing to a packed house, on a perennial contender. Ask him about the goose bumps he got when they raised that AL Championship flag. Ask him about playing on a team that had Jim Thome and Manny Ramirez batting in the bottom third of the order. Forget Beltran. most any player would sign with the reigning champs if given the opportunity. Being in a small market, Cleveland has to overpay to get these players. Everyone knows this except, apparently, the owners. Just do your job, Chris. All you have accomplished is to guarantee you will be booed longer and louder. That&#039;s it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attn: Chris Perez</p>
<p>Try walking your ass over to the dugout one of these games and have a chat with Sandy Alomar, Jr. Ask him what Cleveland fans are capable of, what it was like when he was your age, playing to a packed house, on a perennial contender. Ask him about the goose bumps he got when they raised that AL Championship flag. Ask him about playing on a team that had Jim Thome and Manny Ramirez batting in the bottom third of the order. Forget Beltran. most any player would sign with the reigning champs if given the opportunity. Being in a small market, Cleveland has to overpay to get these players. Everyone knows this except, apparently, the owners. Just do your job, Chris. All you have accomplished is to guarantee you will be booed longer and louder. That&#8217;s it.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Gator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 12:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cleveland is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; a mistake. It was created as a joke by the Old Ones. There&#039;s a whole chapter about it in the Necronomicon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cleveland is <i>not</i> a mistake. It was created as a joke by the Old Ones. There&#8217;s a whole chapter about it in the Necronomicon.</p>
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		<title>By: takemytalentstosoutheuclid</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[takemytalentstosoutheuclid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 12:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, just ignored.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, just ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: btwicey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[btwicey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 11:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clearly my joke about clev sport in general  went misunderstood :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly my joke about clev sport in general  went misunderstood <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mungman69</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mungman69]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 10:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought that they only bood in Philly. When the owners show a true commitment the fans will be there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that they only bood in Philly. When the owners show a true commitment the fans will be there.</p>
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		<title>By: hoopmatch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hoopmatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 09:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Especially a reporter named Assenheimer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Especially a reporter named Assenheimer.</p>
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		<title>By: hammerrm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hammerrm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 07:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Btw...wrong sport, lol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw&#8230;wrong sport, lol</p>
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		<title>By: btwicey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[btwicey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 06:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They all headed south to Miami about a year ago...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They all headed south to Miami about a year ago&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: clevelandschronic2</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[clevelandschronic2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 05:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cant agree any more. Dolan&#039;s,Shapiro, and antonetti  You killed my first love and you will never see a f***in penny from me and i&#039;ll never watch or support this team again unless the front office and owners implode this disaster they created]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cant agree any more. Dolan&#8217;s,Shapiro, and antonetti  You killed my first love and you will never see a f***in penny from me and i&#8217;ll never watch or support this team again unless the front office and owners implode this disaster they created</p>
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		<title>By: xmatt0926x</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xmatt0926x]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 05:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not from Cleveland  but those fans have nothing to prove. They sold out nightly when the team was good. That&#039;s how it should be. &quot;Loyalty&quot; is such a phony concept in sports. Why are we not allowed to expect the ownership of our teams to put a quality product on the field? What do ownership and their mouthpiece GM&#039;s always say to the world? IT&quot;S A BUSINESS. Well, they are correct! And in what business are customers expected to show monetary support year after year when the product sold by that business is poor? Don&#039;t get me wrong. If you know your ownership does try to be competitive then there&#039;s nothing wrong with fan loyalty, even if you have a losing season here and there, but these teams that fail year after year and sell off the best players deserve no fan support at all. Then you have the question of the chicken or the egg. Do you expect fan support and the money that follows to come first in order to put a quality product on the field or do you put that product out there first and then sell that product to the fans? I feel it&#039;s the teams responsibility to put the good product out there first and the fans in most cities will soon begin to come back. Cleveland fans has already shown that they will support a quality team. Boston and Philly didn&#039;t always sell out when those franchises sucked year after year either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not from Cleveland  but those fans have nothing to prove. They sold out nightly when the team was good. That&#8217;s how it should be. &#8220;Loyalty&#8221; is such a phony concept in sports. Why are we not allowed to expect the ownership of our teams to put a quality product on the field? What do ownership and their mouthpiece GM&#8217;s always say to the world? IT&#8221;S A BUSINESS. Well, they are correct! And in what business are customers expected to show monetary support year after year when the product sold by that business is poor? Don&#8217;t get me wrong. If you know your ownership does try to be competitive then there&#8217;s nothing wrong with fan loyalty, even if you have a losing season here and there, but these teams that fail year after year and sell off the best players deserve no fan support at all. Then you have the question of the chicken or the egg. Do you expect fan support and the money that follows to come first in order to put a quality product on the field or do you put that product out there first and then sell that product to the fans? I feel it&#8217;s the teams responsibility to put the good product out there first and the fans in most cities will soon begin to come back. Cleveland fans has already shown that they will support a quality team. Boston and Philly didn&#8217;t always sell out when those franchises sucked year after year either.</p>
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		<title>By: sgm405</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 04:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Indians&#039; sellout streak was June 12, 1995 to April 4, 2001 (the 2nd game of that season).  

The Cleveland Browns were gone from December 24, 1995 to September 12, 1999.  

So basically, the sellout streak lasted for 4 1/2 seasons and of those 4 1/2 seasons, the Browns were active for 1 1/2 of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Indians&#8217; sellout streak was June 12, 1995 to April 4, 2001 (the 2nd game of that season).  </p>
<p>The Cleveland Browns were gone from December 24, 1995 to September 12, 1999.  </p>
<p>So basically, the sellout streak lasted for 4 1/2 seasons and of those 4 1/2 seasons, the Browns were active for 1 1/2 of them.</p>
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		<title>By: tashkalucy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 04:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nonsense.

The majority of that sold out streak was when the Browns were still in Cleveland.

Most teams that go from lousy to good need at least one good year in the books followed by a 2nd good year. In the case the the ever rebuilding Shapiro-Antonetti duo, they have been doing their rebuilding for 10 years and have never finished over .500 for 2 years in a row. They came within one game of the WS in 2007, and with the Dolan&#039;s giving out their BS about spending when the team can win, why did Shapiro make NO MOVES to improve on the 2007 team? Instead he dismantled it trading away CC and Cliff Lee - 2 Cy Young award winners (the only time in the history of MLB that a team ever did that) for a few 2nd rate utility players. 

And what team in MLB tells their fans that they can only contend once or twice every five years? And what GM tells their fans that 2012 is the first of a &quot;2 year window&quot; to win? So what&#039;s the deal - do they do the next blow-it-up after the 2013 season? Why even bother thinking of getting season tickets or giving this team any loyalty?

Anyone in their right mind think that Lowe will be with the Indians after his contract runs out this year? Anyone in their right mind think that Ubaldo will be with the Indians after his contract runs out in 2013? Anyone in their right mind think that Scott Boras will let Choo resign in Cleveland when his contract is up? And on and on......

Forbes magazine says that last year the Indians made $30 million, more then any other team in MLB. Did they go out and get a few right handed run producing bats that they really need? (last year when they needed a right handed run producing bat and said they were looking for one in the stretch run, they let Delbert Young go unclaimed on waivers - the Tigers signed him, and Young hit .300 for the rest of the season and .300 in the playoffs).

And look at this team.They are CONTENDERS and are IN FIRST PLACE. Has anyone looked at their softball schedule which is about to even out? The team is in first place in the worst division in  MLB, with 23 wins. But look closer - only FOUR (4) of those 23 wins have come against teams with winning records. 

When the players show they&#039;re for real and won&#039;t implode when the pressure is turned up, when the front office shows that they don&#039;t suckered in 4 out of 5 trades and maybe can draft a few players (currently the Indians have no real prospects in AA or AAA ball, and are their farm system was just ranked 29th of 30 in Baseball America), then maybe the fans will take them seriously. As for me - I&#039;ve listened to Mark Shapiro talk his Ivy League buzzword BS for far too long, as he and his little buddie put a team together that is weak up the middle on defense (to put it mildly) and has 7 left handed hitters and 2 switch hitters. The team has no identity, it has no leaders on he field. Derek Lowe is trying to be one as a pitcher as he marks time before his return to the Red Sox as a free agent this Fall.

But most of all I&#039;m fed up with the arrogant and inept Mark Shapiro blaming all his shortcomings on everyone BUT HIMSELF! The fans are no good. The economy is no good. The team put together in the 90&#039;s was a one-time thing and will never happen again. You know what - I&#039;ve been watching MLB for over 50 years, and Mark Shapiro is the biggest front office BS&#039;er I&#039;ve ever seen. He makes Herk Richardson (or whatever that awful Royal GM was named) look like a genius by comparison.

MLB needs to step in and force the Dolan&#039;s to sell the team to someone that will bring in a competent front office.

As far as Chris Perez goes, I was watching the Indians 30 years before he was born. Let h9im shut-up because he has no clue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonsense.</p>
<p>The majority of that sold out streak was when the Browns were still in Cleveland.</p>
<p>Most teams that go from lousy to good need at least one good year in the books followed by a 2nd good year. In the case the the ever rebuilding Shapiro-Antonetti duo, they have been doing their rebuilding for 10 years and have never finished over .500 for 2 years in a row. They came within one game of the WS in 2007, and with the Dolan&#8217;s giving out their BS about spending when the team can win, why did Shapiro make NO MOVES to improve on the 2007 team? Instead he dismantled it trading away CC and Cliff Lee &#8211; 2 Cy Young award winners (the only time in the history of MLB that a team ever did that) for a few 2nd rate utility players. </p>
<p>And what team in MLB tells their fans that they can only contend once or twice every five years? And what GM tells their fans that 2012 is the first of a &#8220;2 year window&#8221; to win? So what&#8217;s the deal &#8211; do they do the next blow-it-up after the 2013 season? Why even bother thinking of getting season tickets or giving this team any loyalty?</p>
<p>Anyone in their right mind think that Lowe will be with the Indians after his contract runs out this year? Anyone in their right mind think that Ubaldo will be with the Indians after his contract runs out in 2013? Anyone in their right mind think that Scott Boras will let Choo resign in Cleveland when his contract is up? And on and on&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Forbes magazine says that last year the Indians made $30 million, more then any other team in MLB. Did they go out and get a few right handed run producing bats that they really need? (last year when they needed a right handed run producing bat and said they were looking for one in the stretch run, they let Delbert Young go unclaimed on waivers &#8211; the Tigers signed him, and Young hit .300 for the rest of the season and .300 in the playoffs).</p>
<p>And look at this team.They are CONTENDERS and are IN FIRST PLACE. Has anyone looked at their softball schedule which is about to even out? The team is in first place in the worst division in  MLB, with 23 wins. But look closer &#8211; only FOUR (4) of those 23 wins have come against teams with winning records. </p>
<p>When the players show they&#8217;re for real and won&#8217;t implode when the pressure is turned up, when the front office shows that they don&#8217;t suckered in 4 out of 5 trades and maybe can draft a few players (currently the Indians have no real prospects in AA or AAA ball, and are their farm system was just ranked 29th of 30 in Baseball America), then maybe the fans will take them seriously. As for me &#8211; I&#8217;ve listened to Mark Shapiro talk his Ivy League buzzword BS for far too long, as he and his little buddie put a team together that is weak up the middle on defense (to put it mildly) and has 7 left handed hitters and 2 switch hitters. The team has no identity, it has no leaders on he field. Derek Lowe is trying to be one as a pitcher as he marks time before his return to the Red Sox as a free agent this Fall.</p>
<p>But most of all I&#8217;m fed up with the arrogant and inept Mark Shapiro blaming all his shortcomings on everyone BUT HIMSELF! The fans are no good. The economy is no good. The team put together in the 90&#8242;s was a one-time thing and will never happen again. You know what &#8211; I&#8217;ve been watching MLB for over 50 years, and Mark Shapiro is the biggest front office BS&#8217;er I&#8217;ve ever seen. He makes Herk Richardson (or whatever that awful Royal GM was named) look like a genius by comparison.</p>
<p>MLB needs to step in and force the Dolan&#8217;s to sell the team to someone that will bring in a competent front office.</p>
<p>As far as Chris Perez goes, I was watching the Indians 30 years before he was born. Let h9im shut-up because he has no clue.</p>
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		<title>By: dawglb</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 04:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If a closer complains to the fans, and no one is there to hear it, did he really make a sound?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a closer complains to the fans, and no one is there to hear it, did he really make a sound?</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 03:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I sit here grilling chicken under my palm trees, I can&#039;t help feeling like I&#039;ve seen that hand-over-fist moneymaking approach in connection with some other MLB team. Damn, I&#039;m going to be up all night trying to remember which one....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I sit here grilling chicken under my palm trees, I can&#8217;t help feeling like I&#8217;ve seen that hand-over-fist moneymaking approach in connection with some other MLB team. Damn, I&#8217;m going to be up all night trying to remember which one&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: lunneytunes23</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 03:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Teams with the lowest payroll in MLB generate the most revenue. The Indians dont use that cash on players.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teams with the lowest payroll in MLB generate the most revenue. The Indians dont use that cash on players.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 03:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not only that, but Saturday&#039;s two to zip victory was over the Feesh, not the Mariners. The former live &lt;i&gt;in&lt;/i&gt; the water and have geels and feens. The latter work &lt;i&gt;on&lt;/i&gt; the water and have union cards. 

It&#039;s actually pretty easy to distinguish them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only that, but Saturday&#8217;s two to zip victory was over the Feesh, not the Mariners. The former live <i>in</i> the water and have geels and feens. The latter work <i>on</i> the water and have union cards. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually pretty easy to distinguish them.</p>
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		<title>By: sgm405</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 03:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris Perez speaks the truth.  The only things I question are the timing (why now, after a decent crowd today?) and motive (what do you really gain, even if it is true?).  

Luckily for him, this isn&#039;t New York, Boston, or Los Angeles...it will blow over in a week or two.  

As an Indians season ticket holder, I can tell you that 455 (the sellout streak) was created by a perfect storm.

- Brand new ballpark
- No Browns football
- Cavaliers were irrelevant
- Economy was doing well
- Free agency in MLB hadn&#039;t yet spun out of control

That lineup was also one of the best in modern baseball history.  

But let&#039;s talk about recent history.  

Last season, the Indians started 30-15, were in 1st Place until July, and contended until mid-August, but finished 24th in attendance.  In 2007 the Indians won 96 games (many of them comeback victories) and were one win away from the World Series and finished 21st in MLB attendance.  In 2005 the Indians won 93 games and narrowly missed the postseason, yet they only finished 24th in MLB attendance.  

This season, despite being in 1st Place and having pretty decent early-season weather (for Cleveland), they are dead last in attendance.  Kansas City is averaging 8,000 more fans per game - the same Kansas City that is 16-23 (5-16 at home)...the same Kansas City that hasn&#039;t reached the postseason in 27 years.  

Cleveland fans simply don&#039;t support the team at a high level, even when they are a World Series contender like they were in 2007.  That&#039;s not to say they are a bad fan base - most fan bases are the same (mostly fair-weather) - but when the Dolan&#039;s have put a winner on the field, the fans haven&#039;t held up their end of the bargain.  Until they do, players will continue to leave, free agents will continue to say &quot;thanks, but no thanks&quot;, and the Indians will continue to struggle to maintain a consistent contender.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Perez speaks the truth.  The only things I question are the timing (why now, after a decent crowd today?) and motive (what do you really gain, even if it is true?).  </p>
<p>Luckily for him, this isn&#8217;t New York, Boston, or Los Angeles&#8230;it will blow over in a week or two.  </p>
<p>As an Indians season ticket holder, I can tell you that 455 (the sellout streak) was created by a perfect storm.</p>
<p>- Brand new ballpark<br />
- No Browns football<br />
- Cavaliers were irrelevant<br />
- Economy was doing well<br />
- Free agency in MLB hadn&#8217;t yet spun out of control</p>
<p>That lineup was also one of the best in modern baseball history.  </p>
<p>But let&#8217;s talk about recent history.  </p>
<p>Last season, the Indians started 30-15, were in 1st Place until July, and contended until mid-August, but finished 24th in attendance.  In 2007 the Indians won 96 games (many of them comeback victories) and were one win away from the World Series and finished 21st in MLB attendance.  In 2005 the Indians won 93 games and narrowly missed the postseason, yet they only finished 24th in MLB attendance.  </p>
<p>This season, despite being in 1st Place and having pretty decent early-season weather (for Cleveland), they are dead last in attendance.  Kansas City is averaging 8,000 more fans per game &#8211; the same Kansas City that is 16-23 (5-16 at home)&#8230;the same Kansas City that hasn&#8217;t reached the postseason in 27 years.  </p>
<p>Cleveland fans simply don&#8217;t support the team at a high level, even when they are a World Series contender like they were in 2007.  That&#8217;s not to say they are a bad fan base &#8211; most fan bases are the same (mostly fair-weather) &#8211; but when the Dolan&#8217;s have put a winner on the field, the fans haven&#8217;t held up their end of the bargain.  Until they do, players will continue to leave, free agents will continue to say &#8220;thanks, but no thanks&#8221;, and the Indians will continue to struggle to maintain a consistent contender.</p>
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		<title>By: critic02</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 03:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stairway -- what disgusting backwater did you crawl out from?   The lake is clean and fresh and our ball club is in first place.  Go back to your own minor league city and dream of living in a place as great as CLEVELAND.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stairway &#8212; what disgusting backwater did you crawl out from?   The lake is clean and fresh and our ball club is in first place.  Go back to your own minor league city and dream of living in a place as great as CLEVELAND.</p>
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