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Comment of the Day: The Jays and national holidays

May 29, 2012, 10:00 AM EDT

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Reader Proudly Canadian made a decent point this morning:

Yesterday, the Jays played at home on Memorial Day which is not a Canadian holiday. Last week, the Jays were on the road on Victoria Day which is a Canadian holiday. July 1 is a Canadian holiday, yet the Jays are sometimes on the road on that day. I wish that the schedule makers would take advantage of Canada’s different holiday schedule and let the team play at home on our holidays that are not shared with the US. There is a precedent, as the Red Sox always play at home on Patriot’s Day.

Can’t say I disagree. Then again, baseball in Canada has always seemed to something that has vexed Major League Baseball.

  1. randygnyc - May 29, 2012 at 10:09 AM

    MLB obviously doesn’t care about holidays outside of the United States. The majority of American fans don’t care either. The proof is in the pudding. If anyone really cared, the Blue jays schedule would reflect it.

    • El Bravo - May 29, 2012 at 10:11 AM

      mmmmm pudding.

      • proudlycanadian - May 29, 2012 at 10:13 AM

        Cake rules.

      • El Bravo - May 29, 2012 at 10:16 AM

        π4lyfe.

      • Utley's Hair - May 29, 2012 at 10:16 AM

        CAKE rules…(pie) drools…but CAKE made with pudding…and a side of ice cream…mmmmmm…

      • cur68 - May 29, 2012 at 10:31 AM

        No, it is cake and always will be cake. Divide your pie into 22/7 equal pieces. can’t do it, can you? That is why cake rules. Its rational.

      • koufaxmitzvah - May 29, 2012 at 11:17 AM

        What’s rational is plopping a big scoop of cold ice cream ontop a blisteringly baked pie straight from the oven, and having that ice cream slowly melt into the apple filling. And real apple, not some compote.

        Go ahead. Plop some ice cream on a cake. The women will cry, and the men will scream, and the kids won’t eat the damn thing.

      • cur68 - May 29, 2012 at 11:29 AM

        ‘fax, you try that ice cream (make it cookie dough, Ben & Jerry’s for preference) on some of my mom’s chocky cheesecake with that french chocolate she gets from her cousin in England and the cheese from the organic dairy here in town, and you’ll find yourself climbing over a sea of small children to get some. Cake Power, man.

      • El Bravo - May 29, 2012 at 11:32 AM

        FALSE! Cheesecake is a pie! Stop trying to steal our teams’ desserts!

      • cur68 - May 29, 2012 at 11:46 AM

        You so crazy, Bravo. Its endearing in a Zambrano-esque kind of way. “Cheesecake is pie”. . . I never laughed so hard. . . 8)

      • El Bravo - May 29, 2012 at 12:04 PM

        Don’t claim it as cake b/c it is clearly up for debate. Of course, everyone really knows it’s a custard pie, but I guess some people like to argue lost causes:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesecake

        http://askville.amazon.com/cheesecake-cake-pie/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=208486 (NOT CAKE)

      • koufaxmitzvah - May 29, 2012 at 12:05 PM

        Back when I first began my work transition, a friend had offered me a job at his bakery. Nevermind the salty mouths of the two main cake bakers, and forget the fact that the best pie they could come up with was a canned pecan filling placed within their pre-fab crust. These guys really baked some creative cakes. That’s where they shined.

        I was told that, when asked by customers if our danishes and chocolate filled croissants were fresh, to respond, “They are baked fresh daily.” And, of course, with a bakery that smelled as good as this place, one would assume that, yes, these salty tongued men spent the greater part of every early morning baking these treats by hand. Which is kind of true, but only because they used their own hands to open the frozen package of treats and then used their hands to place these frozen treats in their massive oven.

        Baked Fresh Daily has always been a mantra for me, so I had no problem playing games with the public. And I got to take home most pastries we didn’t sell for the day, and, yes, these items were tastey. And, yes, these guys would have to spend about 3 hours making their own danishes and pastries that wouldn’t taste any better than the frozen items they baked in the oven every morning.

        Nothing against your mom, Cur, but I have to reserve my skepticism for cake bakers. I mean, you’re trying to pass off a cheesecake as a cake! It’s a cheesepie, Sir.

        Go pie.

      • goawaydog - May 29, 2012 at 12:16 PM

        cheesecake has crust; crust = pie; pie rules

      • WhenMattStairsIsKing - May 29, 2012 at 12:39 PM

        This is the best thread ever. Now I want to drown myself in dessert.

      • natstowngreg - May 29, 2012 at 1:37 PM

        We of the Cheesecake Liberation Front reject the false, bourgeois cake-pie dichotomy. Cheesecake is neither cake nor pie; it is in a class of its own, superior to bourgeois cake or pie. We will continue our eternal struggle to make the people see the light and abandon their attachment to bourgeois confections.

        [The key is to keep saying "bourgeois." Then someone will think you're a communist and a revolutionary and thus, somehow romantic. Even if you aren't.]

      • Utley's Hair - May 29, 2012 at 3:09 PM

        The Cheesecake Liberation Front? Is that like the People’s Front of Cheesecake? Or the Cheesecake People’s Front?

    • Utley's Hair - May 29, 2012 at 10:17 AM

      Seems like Randy here is alluding to his belief that the commissioner’s office has a clue as to what people care about.

    • El Bravo - May 29, 2012 at 12:16 PM

      Anyone else think the topic of this thread has gone off the rails a bit? I mean, all I said was that I like pudding…hahahha…extremely provocative I know.

      • natstowngreg - May 29, 2012 at 1:43 PM

        C’mon now, you know this happens whenever anyone mentions desserts. Not that it’s a bad thing, necessarily.

      • Utley's Hair - May 29, 2012 at 3:10 PM

        Now, don’t get us started on refrigerated condiments…

      • El Bravo - May 29, 2012 at 3:16 PM

        Mayo

      • Utley's Hair - May 29, 2012 at 3:23 PM

        Cinco de?

        Mayo absolutely needs refrigeration.

  2. historicfacepalm - May 29, 2012 at 10:16 AM

    What’s all this aboot anyways, eh?

    It’d make too much sense for MLB to make that happen, which is exactly why it hasn’t happened.

  3. eshine76 - May 29, 2012 at 10:30 AM

    Some blame belongs with the Blue Jays – teams have some say on their schedules. If the team really wanted to do something special on certain Canadian holidays, they could ask the league to build it into the schedule.

    Dumb question, from an ignorant American – do Canadians want to celebrate their special Canadian holiday at a baseball game dripping with American history? I’m not advocating against it or saying that it wouldn’t be nice for the team / MLB to do something special on Canadian holidays, but maybe the team has tried this in the past and found attendence to be especially low on such holidays.

    • cur68 - May 29, 2012 at 10:35 AM

      Speaking as a Canadian, and the lone baseball voice in all of Alberta, it seems: Hell Yes, play ballgames on holidays. See, we don’t go in much for flag waving or conspicuous displays of patriotism. It’ll be a fun afternoon, not at work, drinking beer, eating hotdogs and ogling the ladies in the tight clothes. Who gives a crap that the game is Amercan dominated? Some of the best players in it are not American. One or two are in fact Canadian. Bring it on. And get me beer while you’re at it.

      • eshine76 - May 29, 2012 at 10:49 AM

        That’s why I asked the question… let me know what section you’ll be in and I’ll bring the beer.

      • Old Gator - May 29, 2012 at 10:50 AM

        Keep your hand over your cup if you’re sitting outside. You wouldn’t want any aircraft engine debris falling into it.

      • proudlycanadian - May 29, 2012 at 11:07 AM

        At least the airplane debris was not from the toilets.

      • Jeremy Fox - May 29, 2012 at 6:45 PM

        I live in Alberta too. You’re not alone. And your comment is spot-on.

    • proudlycanadian - May 29, 2012 at 10:47 AM

      The Jays would have had a lot more fans on Victoria Day that they had on Memorial Day. Baltimore would have had a lot more fans on Memorial Day than the Jays had. Why fight the traffic going out of the city when you can sit down, watch a game, drink some beer and look at the girls? Holiday weekends are a great time to watch baseball and examine the opposite sex..

    • Francisco (FC) - May 29, 2012 at 10:59 AM

      Last year Canada Day was basically a sell out crowd… and Kyle Kendrick was pitching for the Phillies… I don’t think the fans went to see Kyle Kendrick. Next Day was also a sellout, but then again Doc was dealing so…

  4. pdefor - May 29, 2012 at 10:41 AM

    A few weeks ago they could have taken advantage of the solar eclipse too, by scheduling a game that was more in the path. MLB really should have someone on staff to look out for these things.

  5. delawarephilliesfan - May 29, 2012 at 10:51 AM

    Isn’t July 1st just the metric July 4th?

  6. azvikefan - May 29, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    Whiney foreigners! Next thing you know the Mexicans are going to want games in Mexico on Cinco de Mayo.

    Just kidding folks.

  7. Jay Seaver - May 29, 2012 at 11:53 AM

    The most egregious example is likely the year that the Blue Jays-Expos interleague matchup was scheduled for Canada Day… and then played in Puerto Rico.

    Sometimes it seemed like MLB worked hard to screw Les Expos.

    • kopy - May 29, 2012 at 12:27 PM

      Only sometimes?

  8. hiltonandastoria - May 29, 2012 at 12:04 PM

    If it makes sense
    MLB ain’t interested

  9. Bob Timmermann - May 29, 2012 at 12:06 PM

    So will the Blue Jays have fireworks after their July 4 home game against the Royals?

    • proudlycanadian - May 29, 2012 at 12:47 PM

      No way, and it makes no sense for the Jays to be playing at home on July 4.

  10. kopy - May 29, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    Baseball games should be home on holidays. I spent Memorial Day weekend in Milwaukee wishing the Brewers, or Cubs even, had a game my dad and I could check out. Obviously they were in Arizona, and those folks would like to attend a baseball game on Memorial Day too. But holidays are big draws for baseball, and attendance is lost when a home game on an American holiday is given to Canada, and vice versa.

  11. brewcrewfan54 - May 29, 2012 at 12:33 PM

    Half the league is on the road on holidays. My Brewers were yesterday. No big deal.

    • Utley's Hair - May 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM

      But only one team had no horse in the Memorial Day race. Had they been on the road yesterday, there would’ve been 15 fanbases happy for a home game on a national holiday, and not 14.

      • brewcrewfan54 - May 29, 2012 at 3:19 PM

        Once again, no big deal.

      • Jeremy Fox - May 29, 2012 at 6:49 PM

        Not to you, brewcrewfan, but it is to others. And anyway, if doing something is a total no-brainer, it should be done, even if not doing it isn’t the end of the world.

  12. Jeremy Fox - May 29, 2012 at 12:35 PM

    Teams do make scheduling requests. IIRC, I read years ago that the Orioles always ask to be on the road the weekend of the Belmont Stakes. And as noted in the post, the Red Sox are always at home on Patriot’s Day. But I doubt all such requests are honored. For instance, the Reds used to get to open every season at home, and I can’t imagine they’re too happy that that’s no longer the case. And I’m sure every US team wants to be at home on on Independence Day.

    So how does MLB decide which requests to honor? And why would they not do a no-brainer like having the Jays play at home on Victoria Day and on the road on Memorial Day? I mean, there’s no reason for *anybody* to oppose that.

    • eshine76 - May 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM

      If it is anything like the minors (where I used to work), teams submit a short list of preferred dates ranked in order of importance. From there, the league / schedule makers try to make it work. I don’t know the politics involved, but I have to imagine there is a similar process in place in the MLB.

  13. Chipmaker - May 29, 2012 at 1:24 PM

    Time was, teams could make some requests for home dates; this is why the Red Sox are always at home on Patriots Day.

  14. hcf95688 - May 29, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    Reader Proudly Canadian should just be happy that igloos and back bacon are not natural resources that we covet, as we otherwise would have taken over their quiant little country years ago.

    • cur68 - May 29, 2012 at 10:01 PM

      You guys tried that back when (war of 1812: how soon they forget, eh?). We repelled your invasion, marched on you, and burned your capital. Then we went back home, gave you your border back, and resumed chillin’ with the back bacon, beer and igloos like we used to. No one wants that to happen again, eh?

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