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Jaime Garcia to be skipped in rotation due to elbow soreness

May 30, 2012, 10:17 PM EDT

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The injury bug is still biting away in St. Louis.

It was reported earlier that Cardinals center fielder Jon Jay is experiencing ongoing discomfort in his right shoulder and is scheduled to pay a visit to a specialist in Florida on Thursday. And now the bad luck has settled over the starting rotation.

According to FOX Sports Midwest (on Twitter), left-hander Jaime Garcia will be skipped on his next turn because of discomfort in his throwing elbow.

The Cardinals are saying an MRI taken earlier this week turned up clean, but we’ll just note that respected St. Louis Post-Dispatch columnist Bernie Miklasz isn’t really buying that:

Garcia, 25, has registered a 3.78 ERA and 49/17 K/BB ratio across 64 1/3 innings (10 starts) this season.

  1. okwhitefalcon - May 30, 2012 at 10:44 PM

    Miklasz maybe dead on with the skeptic narrative, the Cards med staff has missed on a few early diagnosis, I wouldn’t be surprised if we see Garcia DL’d and/or John Jay’s stint extended.

    Shumacher goes down tonight as well, headed back to STL for an MRI tomorrow. He said he thinks it’s definitely pulled and will be headed to the DL as well, roster spot will be filled by Allen Craig coming off Friday..

    • ajcardsfan - May 31, 2012 at 8:48 AM

      I liked Skip, but I think the Cardinals need to let him go, he just can’t stay healthy, constant back/abdominal issues. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s re-injured his oblique.

    • paperlions - May 31, 2012 at 9:11 AM

      Isn’t Miklasz skeptical of everything? Not having lived in StL for decades now, I am not exposed to him daily, but every link I come across seems to be him being skeptical/critical of something the Cardinals do/say.

      I mean, that jackhole was the one that termed Cardinal prospects Faberge Eggs and ripped Lunhow for being against trading prospects for middle vets….you know…the guy that was so good at turning the Cardinals abysmal farm system around so that it went from producing nothing to producing multiple impact players in only a few years….and then was hired away by Houston to rebuild their entire organization.

      In short, I am skeptical of anything Miklasz is skeptical about because he is skeptical about everything….the few times he’s right doesnt’ outweigh the hundreds he’s not.

      • okwhitefalcon - May 31, 2012 at 3:03 PM

        It’s Milasz’s job to be skeptical, columnist speak to get reaction although he can be a bit much sometimes.

        Joe Strauss is much “harder” on the organization, never takes the path of least resistance.

        As for Luhnow, he did a nice job but I’d have to disagree on the “impact players” notion.

        Kudos to him for getting the Houston job though, especially after being demoted by the Cards and basically becoming a pseudo assistant to John Vuch, it’ll be interesting to see if he can get the job done there..

      • paperlions - May 31, 2012 at 3:07 PM

        Yeah, Freese, Craig, Garcia, Adams, Carpenter, Jay, Lynn, etc. are just place holders. I didn’t say super stars…but without the contributions from the minors last year’s team never sniffs the playoffs, much less wins everything.

      • okwhitefalcon - May 31, 2012 at 5:11 PM

        Freese was a Padre prospect, nothing to do with Luhnow.

        Key contributors for sure but I don’t think there’s an All Star/impact guy in the bunch, maybe Adams at some point or Craig if he can stay upright- they’ll be fun to watch develop.

      • paperlions - Jun 1, 2012 at 8:11 AM

        Freese wasn’t considered a Prospect by anyone when he was in the Padres system, he was a 24 yr old in high A ball. Player development is just as important as player acquisition…I’m sure when guys like Tavares, Miller, and Martinez come up…they won’t be impact guys either.

        Last year the impact of the farm system was a WS championship….maybe you don’t consider that an impact.

      • okwhitefalcon - Jun 1, 2012 at 2:10 PM

        The Cards paid an extra million bucks to get Freese in the Edmonds deal.

        Zero, zilch, nada to do with Jeff Luhnow – spotted by John Vuch when he was an assistant to Walt Jocketty in 2006 then reccomended to John Mozeliak by Vuch.

        I’m excited for the 3 you mentioned as well although neither you nor I have any idea if they’ll ever pan out at the big league level. None.

        They’re prospects – that’s it.

        Keep in mind Jeff Luhnow was also responsible for drafting the great Pete Kozma in the along with future HOF’er Zach Cox – both in the first round and both floundering aimlessly
        and on their way to 3000 at bat minor league careers.

        Need I mention Brett Wallace or Colby Rasmus?

        The players aquired for them absolutey helped the Cards secure their title last year, no doubt about it.

        That said, one is doing his 4th year in AAA in his 3rd organization since being dealt and the other is busy picking dandelions in CF looking forward to the postgame spread of chilli dogs and Skittles after another ofer with 3 k’s and a missed cutoff man or 2.

        Praise is due to to the guys who filled in when called upon and whomever was responsible for scouting, drafting and developing them – kudos to all.

        But…

        Luhnow’s misses with high round selections can’t be overlooked, that’s shortsighted and silly.

        We’ll see how he does on his own in Houston with an ownership that can’t afford/won’t spend on proven major league talent to supplement the team he puts together.

  2. Reflex - May 31, 2012 at 12:42 AM

    His mechanics are nutty and his timing is off, its only a matter of time.

    http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/PitchingMechanics101/Analyses/JaimeGarcia.html

    • paperlions - May 31, 2012 at 9:05 AM

      Because his mechanics are still the same now as they were in 2008?

      The “inverted W” has been debunked, the important issue is referred to in the article…if the upper arm is late, it puts tremendous stress on the elbow. Although that mechanical flaw is an indicator, many guys with this issue never have TJ surgery and many guys without it do.

      • Reflex - Jun 1, 2012 at 3:27 AM

        You keep asserting that it has been debunked, but so far you have not provided any evidence. The one article you pointed out debunked a recommended pitching style by one of the guys who preaches against the W, but it did not address the W motion itself. Chris O’Leary is far more reputable, and he is not the only one. Also, Garcia is not much of a W pitcher, he has other issues, and so far as I am aware, he has not made any adjustments to his motion since 2008. Indeed, it is extremely rare that any pitcher or coach ‘messes with success’ which is part of the problem

        I agree, however, that empirical research needs to be done on how many guys get away with bad mechanics and how long they tend to last. O’Leary, however, has a pretty good track record of calling injuries years ahead of time.

      • paperlions - Jun 1, 2012 at 8:07 AM

        the inverted W is made fun of by everyone in the industry because nearly every pitcher has an inverted W at some point in his delivery from some perspective…and what a pitcher does with his glove hand is pretty much irrelevant to anything. The issue is if the arm is late, which puts stress on the elbow….that’s it. The “W” thing is irrelevant and ignored by people that know far more and have far greater investment concerning pitcher health than the guy that came up with it or the people that parrot it.

      • Reflex - Jun 14, 2012 at 3:25 AM

        Yeah, I’ve heard that line about a lot of stuff that ‘people in the industry’ and ‘people with a far greater investment’ a lot in baseball. And yet, some teams seem to be doing something about it, actively trading off inverted W pitchers before their arms blow and spending time in the minors teaching better mechanics…

        You are right though that the timing is the real issue, which is actually pointed out by Chris O’Leary. The problem is that the W tends to be a key indicator of the timing problem, and they are very defined as to at what point in the delivery it should be at, what angle is required and how one is to view it to see if its a real W.

        But hey, keep beating up that strawman. Easier than addressing the actual argument.

        How’s Garcia working out for you? Carpenter? Have a lot of faith in Wainwright staying healthy and effective?

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