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Print media flame war: the St. Louis Post-Dispatch vs. the New York Daily News

Jun 3, 2012, 4:30 PM EDT


After nearly a decade of hearing about the lack of civility in modern online media, allow me to be the first to chant “one of us … one of us … we accept you” at the folks behind the fun dustup between the New York Daily News and the St. Louis Post-Dispatch over Johan Santana‘s no-hitter from Friday night.

First volley:*  The Post-Dispatch’s placing a large asterisk on the Johan Santana no-hitter in its Saturday morning edition, pictured to the right.

Return volley:* The New York Daily News, today:

Apparently, the Post-Dispatch couldn’t locate the asterisk key while Mark McGwire was swatting 220 steroid-aided home runs while a member of the Cardinals and setting bogus records in St. Louis.


Of course the best thing about this is that, when print media is involved, it takes three days for a flame war to develop.  I think Mets and Cardinals fans online had this thing argued out, hashed over and then resolved before midnight on Friday.

*Bonus points to the NYDN I-Team Twitter feed for noting that, while it may take print media three days to have a flame war, they can at least spell, which I could not, having originally spelled it “volly.”  Touche, print media. Touche.

  1. bhenrymoreland - Jun 3, 2012 at 4:48 PM

    thank you very much, I now have inescapable visions of chanting midgets and freaks. And those are just the sportswriters.

    • okwhitefalcon - Jun 3, 2012 at 5:30 PM

      The Daily News taking literary shots at anyone is hysterical.

      I mean c’mon – they still employ long time Met batboy Mike Lupica don’t they?

      • jimbo1949 - Jun 4, 2012 at 10:19 AM

        “chanting midgets and freaks”

  2. Neftali Ramos - Jun 3, 2012 at 5:17 PM

    New York Daily News won that round!

  3. elmaquino - Jun 3, 2012 at 5:23 PM

    Best Fans In Baseball

    • elmaquino - Jun 3, 2012 at 9:39 PM

      that was a crack on the STL media, FYI.

  4. gloccamorra - Jun 3, 2012 at 5:28 PM

    Two terminally ill patients having a difference of opinion…

  5. fearlessleader - Jun 3, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    Hilarious. But I don’t think the Mets (and their hometown media) are in any position to be casting stones about illicit substance use during the waning decades of the 20th century…..

    • Old Gator - Jun 3, 2012 at 5:49 PM

      Come on, you can’t blame folks for assimilating stuff that’s already in the tap water.

    • chrisny3 - Jun 3, 2012 at 6:06 PM

      Huh? The only key Mets player who has ever had hard evidence come out against him concerning PEDs abuse while he played for the Mets is Hundley. And he’s more a B-type player. There is nothing remotely comparable to McGwire on the Mets in terms of PEDs-fueled performances and tainted records.

      • fearlessleader - Jun 3, 2012 at 6:15 PM

        Yeah, I was thinking more about the greenies and the cocaine.

      • chrisny3 - Jun 3, 2012 at 6:20 PM

        Everyone did greenies. They are also not known to “taint” records.

        And cocaine is not known to pump up performance either.

        So you’re talking apples and oranges here.

      • fearlessleader - Jun 3, 2012 at 6:27 PM

        Let me state for the record that I’m a Cardinal fan who doesn’t begrudge Santana the no-hitter one bit. He’s a good guy who had a great night, and I’m genuinely happy for him and for the Met faithful who waited so long for it to happen. One close call doesn’t change that.

        But if you don’t think that coke and greenies have a potentially felicitous effect on performance, and if you don’t think the Mets of the 1980s were, ahem, overachievers in the substance-abuse department, then you’re wearing some rose-colored retroactive ray-bans. :)

      • chrisny3 - Jun 3, 2012 at 6:32 PM

        It’s been said cocaine is what ruined Doc’s and Strawberry’s careers. Did you ever pay attention to the careers of those accused of doing cocaine while playing the game? If you did, you wouldn’t have made that comment.

        Name a single baseball record or accomplishment of significance that is known to have been fueled by cocaine use.

      • fearlessleader - Jun 3, 2012 at 6:37 PM

        As I recall, the coke users generally had short-term success and long-term breakdowns. Anyway, this is a dumb argument, so how about we wrap it up?

      • chrisny3 - Jun 3, 2012 at 6:44 PM

        I always laugh at those who try to equate greenies and cocaine with anabolic steroids. Neither is known to inflate records in any significant way, while it’s generally agreed that anabolic steroids can help distort records in a huge huge way. Which is why the “injection” of greenies and cocaine into this discussion regarding asterisks and records is pretty irrelevant.

      • chrisny3 - Jun 3, 2012 at 6:47 PM

        No, there is no evidence that cocaine use leads to inflated numbers –either short or long term.

        In short, cocaine = diminished performance and shortened careers … while steroids = inflated performance and greatly elongated careers. Truly apples and oranges in terms of athletic performance.

      • fearlessleader - Jun 3, 2012 at 6:49 PM

        Good god, Chrisny. I’m sorry I made a dumb joke impugning your coked-up team of 25 years ago. How about you let it go and resume the post-no-no celebration? Cheers!

      • brewcrewfan54 - Jun 3, 2012 at 7:18 PM

        Paul Molitor did a lot of coke in the 80’s from what I here. There’s a pretty sweet T-shirt about it.

      • brewcrewfan54 - Jun 3, 2012 at 7:28 PM


        Terrible grammatical error

  6. mybrunoblog - Jun 3, 2012 at 5:50 PM

    St. Louis media will get crushed by NY media in a print war.

    With that in mind the wars over man. NY Daily news dropped the big one. Now they could do it with conventional weapons but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think they have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a stupid and futile gesture be done on somebody’s part. And these are just the guys to do it.

    • The Baseball Idiot - Jun 3, 2012 at 6:10 PM

      They missed their chance at “oh yeah”. Not sure they can do much better.

    • meteor32 - Jun 3, 2012 at 7:12 PM

      Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

      • jimbo1949 - Jun 3, 2012 at 7:26 PM

        He’s on a roll.

  7. The Baseball Idiot - Jun 3, 2012 at 5:51 PM

    Seriously, that’s the best the New York media could come up with?


    • brewcrewfan54 - Jun 3, 2012 at 6:18 PM

      I think they did a pretty effective job of hammering St Louis. Understated and to the point. Very well done. Since it wasnt the Yankees they couldnt just yell 28 World Series championships which is their standard protocol. They had to use their brain for a second and it worked.

      • The Baseball Idiot - Jun 3, 2012 at 6:20 PM

        McGwire retired after the 2001 season. The Cardinals won the Series in 2006 and 2011.

        Is the New York media familiar with the term ‘relevant’?

      • chrisny3 - Jun 3, 2012 at 6:28 PM

        Can you read? They are talking about McGwire’s HR’s and records. They never mentioned a WS.

      • The Baseball Idiot - Jun 3, 2012 at 6:36 PM

        Do you know the meaning of the world ‘relevan’?

        Obviously not.

      • The Baseball Idiot - Jun 3, 2012 at 6:37 PM

        What do McGwire’s homeruns 15 years ago have to do with a fake no-hitter this weekend?

      • fearlessleader - Jun 3, 2012 at 6:39 PM

        Chrisny is a little sensitive…..

      • brewcrewfan54 - Jun 3, 2012 at 7:03 PM

        Sorr idiot you are wrong here. St Louis wants to put an asterisk next to a no hitter but they want to forget that they had one of the biggest asterisks playing for them and now coaching for them. Look in the mirror St Louis Post Dispatch.

  8. okwhitefalcon - Jun 3, 2012 at 6:30 PM

    So the Daily News “fires back” (cough, cough) with a McGwire scud from over a decade ago, timely..

    Maybe the Post Dispatch will go retro with an ’86 Met’s “blow” blast, I’m fairly certain Pablo Escobar and George Jung got World Series rings that year.

    • meteor32 - Jun 3, 2012 at 7:16 PM

      Don’t forget Keith Hernandez. Oh wait … he and a coked up Darrell Porter helped St. Louis win their title 4 years earlier.

      • okwhitefalcon - Jun 3, 2012 at 7:29 PM

        Wow, another retro blast – don’t forget Joaquin Andujar.

        Nice job Scoop, better pass that one onto to The Daily News Sports department for op-ed content in tomorrows paper.

  9. mj1818 - Jun 3, 2012 at 6:33 PM

    That’s great. McGwire LOL.

  10. rasal68 - Jun 3, 2012 at 6:58 PM

    Are you telling me they still print newspapers?!! Who knew…

  11. rasal68 - Jun 3, 2012 at 7:56 PM

    This thread is narly.

  12. ningenito78 - Jun 3, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    Meteor32- I really hope you were joking about the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor. As for the NY Daily News, anyone that reads it knows they are on the Wilpon’s payroll.

    • CJ - Jun 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM

      you need to get out more….

    • elmedico27 - Jun 4, 2012 at 3:02 PM

      Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

  13. brianjoates - Jun 3, 2012 at 10:24 PM

    germans bombing pearl harbor… go google best comedy movies and watch some of them and you will get it.

  14. rasal68 - Jun 3, 2012 at 10:42 PM

    7 years of college wasted

  15. chill1184 - Jun 3, 2012 at 11:53 PM

    Just to point out the NY media hates the Mets. The reason the Daily News even did this is because it was blatantly obvious.

  16. rico7207 - Jun 5, 2012 at 2:15 AM

    Facts are the ump gave it to him as replays do not lie. To me it’s a no hitter but a false tainted one.Still counts in the books but not in the heart.

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