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Charlie Manuel: “we don’t scare nobody”

Jun 8, 2012, 8:21 AM EDT

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Charlie Manuel let ‘er rip after yesterday’s sweep-securing loss to the Dodgers:

“I thought we lost that edge quite a while ago, if you want to know the truth. We don’t scare nobody. I’ll tell you something, we used to have a swagger. We used to be kind of cocky in a real good way. And teams used to definitely fear us. I definitely don’t see that fear no more. I don’t see that. I’m sorry. No, I don’t see where we scare anybody. Nobody backs down from us. Matter of fact, they come right at us. They take it right to us.”

I dunno. Doesn’t seem like swagger or fear or anything like that is the issue. The issue is that their cleanup hitter is Ty Wigginton, their second hitter is Juan Pierre and the guy leading the offensive charge yesterday was Mike Fontenot.  It’s the quality of the players, not their attitude, that is causing the Phillies problems right now. For that you can blame injuries and the front office, not Cholly or determination or a swagger deficit disorder.

  1. ajcardsfan - Jun 8, 2012 at 8:25 AM

    “I’ll tell you something, we used to have a swagger. We used to be kind of cocky in a real good way.”

    I’ll tell you what happened, Cole Hamels saw all of that cockiness and went “old school” on the whole clubhouse, that’s what really happened to the Howard and Utley!

  2. Jonny 5 - Jun 8, 2012 at 8:27 AM

    If Charlie could speak the truth, that’s what he’d say. But he can’t, so he’ll blame swagger.

    • Francisco (FC) - Jun 8, 2012 at 10:25 AM

      I’ve been following a blog recently that posts about each game and Charlie’s performance as manager. Know that the bloggers are stats driven so they don’t believe in bunting the runner from 1st to 2nd, only situational from 2nd to 3rd, don’t believe in the hit-and-run, The intentional walk is a sin, and don’t believe in closers only the leverage index should dictate when you bring in your best reliever (Win Probability is big here).

      Of course the numerous gripes against Charlie there can also be laid against every single MLB manager (bringing in your closer before the 9th? OMG the universe would collapse in on itself if that happened, fortunately the Fringe Division is there to prevent closers from pitching before the 9th).

      I think one specific habit that Charlie has that is especially disturbing is to put too much stock into player-vs-player matchups (career at bats). Aside from the small sample size he’ll go on about how Thome is lifetime 5 for 11 against So-and-so and forget the fact the Thome has those 5 hits like 6 years ago and hasn’t hit him since.

  3. schmedley69 - Jun 8, 2012 at 8:35 AM

    Opposing managers don’t fear Charlie either. He’s a great guy, but he’s not gonna win you any Chess matches. LaRussa took him to school in the playoffs last year. LaRussa pushed all the right buttons, while Charlie didn’t even push any buttons. Just sat there chewing gum in the dugout. Charlie is a “sit back and wait for the 3-run homer” kind of manager, but with this roster, that’s not going to happen very often. When the margin for error is so slim, and every run is at a premium, Charlie is not the guy you want at the helm. He’s supposed to be a hitting guru as well, but this team’s hitting approach is brutal. They constantly get themselves out by swinging at bad pitches.

    • paperlions - Jun 8, 2012 at 8:55 AM

      That is 12 kinds of silly. The Cardinals won because of a little luck over a short series and a great pitching performance by Chris Carpenter. That’s it.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 8, 2012 at 9:11 AM

        That’s ridiculous, everyone knows the reason the cards won last year was solely by the grace of LaRussa. That’s why the cards are doing do e bad this year, new that LaRussa has retired.

        And no I haven’t checked the standings this year, why should I?

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 8, 2012 at 9:26 AM


        Doing so bad this year, now that LaRussa retired.

        Damn phone

      • paperlions - Jun 8, 2012 at 9:30 AM

        we new what you ment 😉

      • thesportsguru7 - Jun 8, 2012 at 11:53 AM

        I wouldn’t consider 2 games out of first place in June “so bad”.

      • Jeremy T - Jun 8, 2012 at 4:42 PM


  4. chadjones27 - Jun 8, 2012 at 8:35 AM

    You can blame Charlie, at least a little bit. He had Qualls on the mound, bases loaded, no outs, down by only 1 run. And no one warming up in the bull pen.

    • captainwisdom8888 - Jun 8, 2012 at 8:40 AM

      we clearly have the pitchers to be elite (halladay needs to come back healthy). but until we start having those lopsided innings, 5 6 7 runs in an inning. we will not be feared. phils never have been great at small ball

    • heyblueyoustink - Jun 8, 2012 at 8:42 AM

      So who would you have brought in at that point?

      • chadjones27 - Jun 8, 2012 at 9:01 AM

        Michael Martinez

      • Francisco (FC) - Jun 8, 2012 at 10:14 AM

        Wilson Valdez… oh wait no we traded him.

      • thesportsguru7 - Jun 8, 2012 at 11:50 AM

        Michael Martinez and Wilson Valdez? Seriously? Valdez is a career .237 hitter with no power. Martinez not much better, but Martinez has been hurt up until this point.

      • Utley's Hair - Jun 8, 2012 at 11:56 AM

        The peanuts guy from Sec 254?

  5. hotkarlsandwich - Jun 8, 2012 at 8:39 AM

    They lost that swagg as soon as they lost game 5 of the NLDS last year. Not to mention Ryan Howard.

  6. proudlycanadian - Jun 8, 2012 at 8:50 AM

    Unfortunately, it is the Phans who currently fear their team. If the Phillies get healthy, the swagger should return.

    • dirtyharry1971 - Jun 8, 2012 at 10:12 AM

      as usual proudly is Wrong again in his silly predictions

      • Utley's Hair - Jun 8, 2012 at 11:58 AM

        And, as usual, dirtyharry1971 is just a moron.

    • Utley's Hair - Jun 8, 2012 at 11:59 AM

      We don’t really fear the team, we just fear the inevitable, and how soon it might happen.

  7. kiwicricket - Jun 8, 2012 at 9:02 AM

    Their main proprietor of ‘swagger’ (Rollins) is currently hitting .251/.301/.346. I don’t see that changing any time soon to be honest. Meek it out and hope for the playoffs, hope someone gets hot just like the Giants a few years ago.

    • CJ - Jun 8, 2012 at 10:27 AM

      but that is changing. After a horrible start, Rollins is hitting .282 in the last 30 days. IIRC his average was way down around .230 in early May.

      • Francisco (FC) - Jun 8, 2012 at 11:17 AM

        That is true, but it’s going to take more than Rollins to fix the line-up. To my mind they need to at least hover a bit above .500 till they can get the line-up they intended back in shape around July.

  8. butchhuskey - Jun 8, 2012 at 9:03 AM

    “We don’t scare nobody” technically means that they scare somebody. Careful with those double negatives, Charlie!

    • ptfu - Jun 8, 2012 at 6:30 PM

      That, yes, and Cholly is also accurate in saying “we don’t scare nobody.” I’m a nobody, and the Phillies don’t scare me 😀

  9. badmamainphilliesjamas - Jun 8, 2012 at 9:07 AM

    They scare me.

  10. hisgirlgotburrelled - Jun 8, 2012 at 9:31 AM

    Fear is the problem and you cited all the reasons no one fears them. They only have a couple hitters you even have to worry about. You don’t have to pitch around anyone. They’re 29th in walks. This is what Manuel means when he says “they go right at us.”

  11. 12strikes - Jun 8, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    Craig… Your blind hatred of all things Philles has you arguing semantics with Charlie. Charlie uses the word “swagger” you use “quality”. Saying the team has no swagger is just the PC way of saying we have no quality. Charlie still has to manage this team. It would be alot harder if he came up and said Ty Wigginton is no Ryan Howard or Juan Pierre can’t hit like Chase Utley.

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