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Marlins rank 16th in attendance after 29 games at new park

Jun 8, 2012, 11:51 AM EDT

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We’re one-third through the season and the Marlins are on pace for their best record since the World Series team in 2003, yet their solid play after an offseason full of big spending and moving into a new ballpark haven’t boosted the team’s attendance nearly as much as hoped.

Through 29 home games the Marlins have averaged 28,019 fans at their new $515 million ballpark. That represents a solid 47 percent increase compared to last season, but the Marlins still rank just 16th among MLB teams in average attendance, behind sub-.500 teams like the Rockies, Twins, Tigers, and Cubs and even trailing the rival Braves whose fans are often maligned for not showing up in droves.

Good team, exciting players, new manager, huge payroll increase, $515 million supposedly state-of-the-art new ballpark … and 16th in attendance. Maybe the Home Run Sculpture is just scaring people away?

  1. drewsylvania - Jun 8, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    It’s Florida.

    • sabatimus - Jun 8, 2012 at 12:48 PM

      Could be worse: at least Marlins fans showed up the first season the team started getting good (c.f. Tampa Bay Rays fans).

    • theawesomersfranchise - Jun 8, 2012 at 1:01 PM

      You’re a north of the mason-dixon line idiot

      -Old Gator

      Its ok Im Old Gator so this stuff is perfectly fine

    • ajcardsfan - Jun 8, 2012 at 1:13 PM

      I blame the atrocity near CF

    • dondbaseball - Jun 14, 2012 at 3:08 PM

      All kidding aside, I took a look at it and I think multiple things have occurred to hold ticket sales down a bit: 1. Ozzie Guillen and his stupid Cuban comments 2. April record was 8-14 3. Parking costs are extremely high 4. It’s Florida 5. Ozzie Guillen is the manager
      In an indifferent market, jumping 47% is no small achievement. They averaged 18-19 thousand for the last 3 years and now they are at 28,700. If they prove they’re a contender during the summer it will go up. See what Washington is doing with Harper and contending…

  2. jimbo1949 - Jun 8, 2012 at 12:18 PM

    Yeah, blame Tommy. He’s a team player, he won’t mind. He’s already taken some body blows, unlike that wimpy scoreboard.

  3. Old Gator - Jun 8, 2012 at 12:22 PM

    No, it’s zombie apocalypse paranoia. Used to be that yuppie spawn leaving South Beach at 3 AM would cross the newly renamed George Romero Causeway with their tops down – in both senses, depending on how many cocktails the zorras had guzzled – but now, the tops are up and the windows are tightly shut. It’s back to air conditioning for those young’uns. It’s also that it’s been raining like a perforated breast implant for the past three weeks. Yes, you can close the roof, but if you don’t want to barf up twenty five bucks to park in the Macondo Banana Massacre Field garages you have to park a few blocks away on someone’s lawn or driveway and then duck the lightning and rain to get to the stadium. It also exposes you to attacks by cannibal zombies, which has been an increasing problem down here lately. Since this is Macondo, the zombies generally don’t try to feed on scarce brains but go for the more readily available faces- it’s basic unnatural selection at work. About all you can do is wear some of those t-shirts with pictures of cans of Spam™ on them to throw the zombies off – I mean, even a corpse has some pride, you know?

    On the brighter side, yesterday was the last day of public indoctrination here in Macondo so, with schools out, we should see some boost in the weekday attendance now.

    I took advantage of the end of my etiquette and socialization classes to go see a sneak preview of Prometheus. Visually stunning, didn’t need the 3D shtick, definitely not for pregnant women. This Von Dainiken – Aliens created us stuff was already old before the aliens created us. I prefer the Lovecraft explanation anyway – that extradimensionals created us a joke. It falls flat at the end and like most prole sci-fi these days, it’s pretty predictable and you wish Bradbury had written it. Nice way to kill a rainy afternoon if you have some leftover weed from your wallflower geek kid’s nebbish party to use up before your paranoia takes hold and you flush it, but Blade Runner it ain’t.

    Of course, all this will be sorely mitigated if the Feesh tank, as I suspect they’re about to barring the addition of some serious contact and seetualtional heeting help. The bottom of their order – talk about the undead, and barely -un at that.

    PS – great idea for improving attendance. Why not play all the games in 3-D? The sale of those cheap cardboard goggles alone ought to fill Scrooge McLoria’s coffers. And just imagine Tommy in 3d – if you dare.

    • sdelmonte - Jun 8, 2012 at 12:42 PM

      Bradbury or Philip K Dick?

      • Old Gator - Jun 8, 2012 at 1:28 PM

        Forget Dick. We’ll just set Craig off on his Dick-Wang dichotomy again.

    • yashraba - Jun 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM

      Gator-that’s dissappointing as I heard that Prometheus had many similarities to Lovecraft’s “At The Mountains Of Madness” but either way I’ve been looking forward to this movie for a while. And in fairness, I don’t think we will ever see another Blade Runner in our time, just happy to see Ridley Scott back in Sci-Fi territory.

      • Old Gator - Jun 8, 2012 at 2:53 PM

        I was disappointed with it. I do see why some would think that At the Mountains of Madness influenced this film, the fact is that it was such an early, ahead-of-its-time, pervasively influential work that it would be kinda hard to point to any science fiction film with an expeditionary theme without seeing traces of it somewhere. The real tragedy is that Universal killed the Guillermo del Toro production of a film version of the Lovecraft classic. Check here:

        The bright side of this cancellation is that we won’t have to endure Tom Cruise in a leading role. Maybe they’ll resurrect it sometime when Cruise is already committed elsewhere and we can have someone like Guy Pearce in the lead instead.

        I must admit that I am very relieved that Scott gave up on trying to film Blood Meridian, though….when Kubrick and Kurosawa died, the last two filmmakers who could ever have tackled it successfully were gone.

  4. billymc75 - Jun 8, 2012 at 12:25 PM

    The economy sux there and they mostly live to work or love off gov funding they can’t afford to go to games!

    • Old Gator - Jun 8, 2012 at 12:38 PM

      Another right wing moron flogging the myth of the constitutionally indigent. Notice the unemployment figures lately, dimwit? If there were jobs, people would take them. This just happens to be a region that never developed a manufacturing base and, with its tourist-dependent economy which is always especially vulnerable to economic slumps elsewhere and, especially, its role as a major abosorption site of new immigrants, it does place more stress on the social support system than a lot of other areas. I know trailer park minds don’t generally like to think much, but just for once in your life try to look at a situation with a slightly more analytic approach before you start buggering your ideological golden calf in full view of everyone else.

      • theawesomersfranchise - Jun 8, 2012 at 12:51 PM

        Old Gator has different rules than everyone else.

        He may write insulting drivel that makes assumptions towards anyone he likes because why again?

        Everyone else gets/got banned already for exactly this….yet Old Gator gets a free pass.

      • nategearhart - Jun 8, 2012 at 12:59 PM

        theawesomersfranchise: If you ask me, when a commenter derides an entire region, then someone from that region is allowed to retort.

      • approvenothing - Jun 8, 2012 at 1:04 PM

        Is their something wrong with being right wing? If their is feel free to tell us how you really feel about it. I mean while Billy is obviously a illiterate moron does not mean to beat the views of his with a stick just because you feel differently. And trailer park minds? You sir, are a ignorant tool. (Took me five months of reading this blog to finnaly get annoyed by someone enough to post this, so congratulations.)

      • approvenothing - Jun 8, 2012 at 1:06 PM

        Finally* Ugh where is the edit button.

      • theawesomersfranchise - Jun 8, 2012 at 1:07 PM

        Oh ya Nate?

        How about anyone who is a right winger, kinda how Old Gator just insulted half of America?

        Its just funny that certain people have been banned permanently for escalation and doing exactly what Gator does a few times a week.

        So to recap
        Commentor takes swipe at a state
        Old Gator is in charge of disciplining him by taking a swipe at an ideology that half the country embraces that includes name calling.

        Yup Brilliant stuff going on here.

      • Old Gator - Jun 8, 2012 at 1:50 PM

        When you find me a left-wing moron who thinks that the unemployed stay unemployed because they are lazy and love welfare, rather than because this country has lost eight million jobs in the last ten years under three clueless administrations – and I include both Clinton and Obama in that accounting – I’ll be happy to refer to them as left-wing morons. The myth of the parasitic unemployed is, like it or not, a right-wing myth. Notice I don’t say “conservative” because I am well aware that there are thoughtful conservatives who actually think and see through it, whether I agree with their policies or not.

        Now, aside from this ridiculous myth of intransigent indigence, we have a new idiot myth of the “banned” non-Gator commentators. FYI Craig took me publicly to task a couple of years ago for writing terrible things about local drivers from an unnamed large island ninety miles south of Key West, so I acceded to his concerns and began referring to it as an unnamed large island ninety miles south of Key West instead of “Cuba.” Slobbering Ozzie bought me some unsolicited wiggle room on this score a few weeks back, but what of that. Far be it from me to insist that the bad driving gene mutated to its dominant form pool-wide in that unnamed large island ninety miles south of Key West. I believe the problem to be one of nurture, not nature. Anyway, no one has been “banned for doing what I do,” since I don’t physically threaten my correspondents nor insist on racist or religious stereotypes in my posts, which is what folks who have been banned here have been banned for – and I am aware of three in total over three years. Posts are not selectively “blocked” here without Craig or one of the other local suzerains providing an explanation. It so happens that the server for HBT is wonky and capricious – I have more than occasionally had my own posts disappear into thin cyberspace and found myself unable to post at all for hours at a time, and/or had multiple versions of the same post suddenly show up in a thread half a day or more after trying to post them.

        Finally, it’s kind of hilarious to see right-wingers get offended by being called idiots or what have you after years and years of incandescent rhetoric, calling those who disagree with them commies and socialists (while usually having no accurate idea of the distinction between them anyway), stalinists, crime-coddlers, wimps (for objecting to the gratuitious slaughter of Iraqi civilians to help enrich Halliburton, for example), welfare cheats, parasites, debt-dodgers, tree-huggers, libtards, and a whole host of other equally – ready? – mindlessly idiotic pejoratives. Now you don’t like it? Too damned bad about you. But just to be fair, left-wingers like to throw around terms like “fascist” and “racist” just as haphazardly and idiotically. I’m very sparing in my use of these terms because there are correspondents here who have spouted some distinctly fascistic and/or racist sentiments – I just save my ammunition for the targets that deserve it.

        And “billymc75,” trafficking in his mindless stereotyping about the unemployed, deserved it.

      • approvenothing - Jun 8, 2012 at 2:19 PM

        The unemployed 90% of the time stay unemployed because they are indeed lazy, i agree with that, welfare in this country is out of control, abused, and given to illegal immigrants in some cases. But you obviously have no respect for the other political party like you say you do. While i never have called a Liberal (Left Wing) person a communist (While i have called them socialist at one point or another, normally refering to the Obama administration, not just a term to throw around.). And is it not right of us to be at least a little offended, by, as you said, a left wing moron who insults a large portion of people who have different views from him?

        I might be a right wing moron like you so called us, but I respect others opinions who deserve their opinions to be respecte unlike you who insults everyone who dissagrees (Reffering to you calling billy ” ‘Another’ right wing moron”.) I beg your pardon if you just ment a small portion of conservatives out their are like that. But by how its read it does not come off like that,

      • theawesomersfranchise - Jun 8, 2012 at 2:33 PM

        Another long winded yammering from Old Gator. Im pretty sure I’ve read that same garbage 1000 times in just about every comment section on every and any political story or blog.

        Do you think that blathering repetitive ideas that others have come up with and you have reproduced and vomited back up has anything to do with you being guilty of escalation and name calling?

        That’s a rhetorical question because I couldn’t care less to read the 8000 word essay that goes complete off topic and unoriginal that would undoubtedly come from you.

        You escalate, name call, and insult others constantly
        It’s kinda plain and simple and has nothing to do with politics.
        I guess it’s ok to call others here Idiots and Morons as long as it’s accompanied by a short story that’s been told a 1000 times.

      • Old Gator - Jun 8, 2012 at 2:38 PM

        If you actually believe that “the unemployed 90% of the time stay unemployed because they are indeed lazy,” no, you don’t respect the positions of others. You’re living in a delusional world of mindless sound bites that do a great job of setting up apocryphal justifications for your lack of compassion and selfishness. You really do need a harsh dose of the reality on the ground. I repeat: eight million lost jobs. How many fingers do you have? Start counting. Add to that the perfidious classification of anyone who’s been looking for a job for over six months as “unemployable” – a policy held by many employers that ought to be made illegal and punishable severely for the long-term social and economic damage it does – and your figure of “90%,” which is already laughable in both its intellectual dishonesty and self-gratification, becomes even more ridiculous, even if it’s meant metaphorically rather than statistically.

        It’s true indeed that I have little respect for the Republican Party in its present condition. But feel free to scroll back as far as you want and come up with something complimentary I’ve said about the Democrats. In lots of ways, I’ve had more derisive things to say about them than about any other identifiable political organization, with the possible exception of the Tea Party. To me, they’re both a bunch of pretty boy whores for their big corporate pimps.

        But back to the main issue here: no one is banning or blocking you. Just look over the threads here, at some of the many, many heated exchanges. Plenty of stuff far more incendiary than anything you’ve written. This blog allows its correspondents enormous, though not unlimited, leeway. The mere fact that you can come on here freely claiming that Craig or any of the other permanent bloggers are obstructing you makes your argument seem kinda silly.

      • Old Gator - Jun 8, 2012 at 2:43 PM

        Ooops. slight correction. The first part of my last post was meant for approvenothing.

        The last paragraph was meant for my paranoid interlocutor theawesomefranchise. While you may never be able to believe that you’re not being persecuted, you probably shouldn’t open your closet or look under your bed, either. BOOOO!

      • approvenothing - Jun 8, 2012 at 2:47 PM

        I think me saying 90% was ment as a over-exageration (Toss me a bone, im only Sixteen and in a political argument with someone with much more political experience than me.). Sorry if it did not seem like that. And yes i think we can agree both partys are full of politicians scared to do what they think is right just so they would get re-elected. I think the issue (For me, that is.) is likely a misunderstanding of dislike between political parties that seperates us from the idea of fixing the american economy/ political system. I can understand your point of view on what i have said and understand it. I do apologize for anything i said coming off the wrong way. And TheAwesomersFranchis, isn’t that what politics is? Repeatably saying what you believe is right to prove your point?

      • Old Gator - Jun 8, 2012 at 3:12 PM

        approvenothing: no apology needed; it’d be much more gratifying for me to see someone of your age who clearly does care about the current situation do some serious research into the nature of the unemployment problem, not to mention the political history behind it. Understanding the context and details of what’s going on and why is a big stride towards demystifying the toxic political cliches which have been dominating our political discourse. We can talk and I hope we will.

        Our problems are, incidentally, nothing compared to the crushing magnitude of what’s now going on in Greece, a country which pushed social welfare spending to a ruinous extreme and has already destroyed itself economically for an entire generation – and worse looks like it’s coming because its electorate can’t seem to come to terms with what a disaster they’re facing. If you decide to go do some serious reading about this stuff this summer, now that you’re sprung or close to sprung from school, you might compare the unfortunate way that the Greeks are handling their problem with the way Argentina handled a very similar crisis some years back. Both countries let socialism as a guiding economic philosophy run as amok in their cases, as we let so-called “free market” capitalism run amok in our deregulation of investment banks and mortgage lending. Any system can be pushed until it stress-fractures.

        Incidentally, just to avoid seeming to take advantage of our little discursive breakthrough here to front a leftist agenda, a great place to start out is a book by the conservative sociologist Peter L. Berger, the classic study of dug-in ideological conflicts Pyramids of Sacrifice:

        I’m recommending it because it’s wise, sane, and if a bit conservatively partisan it is analytically so and not reflexively so. It’s sophisticated but also very straightforwardly written and I can already tell you can handle it. If you do get ambitious and tackle it, it will really help you build a reader’s toolkit for exploring highly contested positions. Hope you go for it.

      • jimbo1949 - Jun 8, 2012 at 4:08 PM

        Wow, the things you learn on HBT. Half the country is right wing? I guess if all you do is read/listen to self affirming propaganda, you might miss the 50% in the middle that think both fringes are out of touch.

    • nategearhart - Jun 8, 2012 at 12:55 PM

      Ok, I think I get that you’re calling most of Miami welfare-cases. But what does “they mostly live to work” mean in the context of your diatribe?

      • stlouis1baseball - Jun 8, 2012 at 3:30 PM

        Nate: I “think” what he is saying is people work…earn what paycheck they may receive and promptly spend it all on monthly bills, fuel and putting food on the table.
        This leaves little to no disposable income (hence no ballgames).
        At least anytime I (or most anyone I have seen) have ever used the term “live to work” I have used it in this context.

      • nategearhart - Jun 8, 2012 at 4:12 PM

        Thanks, StL. That’s more or less what I always thought it meant, but I couldn’t make sense of it in the context of the rest of his post. He definitely came across as derogatory to me, and I’m hardly a sensitive type.

      • cosanostra71 - Jun 8, 2012 at 4:27 PM

        I think in everyone’s haste to insult “right wingers” they missed the point of the post. I read it as the economy in Miami being poor at the moment, and most people who are working have little disposable income, and those who aren’t working tend to be on welfare. I didn’t see it as insulting or inflammatory at all. I saw it as fairly reflective of the country on a whole and can’t really disagree. Although the comment was poorly written.

  5. Nick C - Jun 8, 2012 at 12:35 PM

    At least the Marlins fans are better than the no account “fans” in Cincinnati. The Reds are in first place, re-upped big contracts with their star players, went all-in with a trade for “ace” Mat Latos, and have the Cuban Missile closing games. Despite all that Cincinnati is 19th in average home attendance.

    • 4letterman - Jun 8, 2012 at 12:50 PM

      Or Cleveland, that are last in attendence and have been in first place for the most part

    • 18thstreet - Jun 8, 2012 at 1:00 PM

      I’d say a 50 percent increase in attendance is nothing to scoff at. To me, that’s the relevant stat here.

      • Nick C - Jun 8, 2012 at 2:02 PM

        I’m not scoffing at the Marlins. I think they have made good gains. I’m sure they expected more but it is Miami where there are myriad other things to do. I was just pointing out that Cincinnati and, as 4letterman pointed out, Cleveland that have the really crappy “fans.” Their teams are doing well and they still can’t draw. Cleveland’ers get some slack in that their team has been crappy for awhile and they may not have bought in. The Cincy “fans” have no such excuses. Their management has made the commitment. Their team has been good for 2+ seasons now and they still don’t show up. Pathetic.

      • 18thstreet - Jun 8, 2012 at 3:10 PM

        Rumor has it the economy in northeastern Ohio isn’t so good. Also: I understand that tickets are not free. So there’s a connection.

    • stlouis1baseball - Jun 8, 2012 at 3:34 PM

      Absolutely Nick! On the other hand…as a Cardinals fan from Central Indiana I absolutely love the fact that I can go to a Cards/Reds game and sit virtually anywhere I want at literally half the price of the same ticket in St. Louis. It is unfortunate for the Reds though. All my buddies are die hard…passionate Reds fans. Most everyone I know who is a Redlegs fan is passionate about them. For whatever reason…it doesn’t translate into putting asses in the seats.
      And they pull from W. Virgina, Ohio, Indiana AND Kentucky!
      But again…I get really good seats at incredibly cheap prices as a result.

  6. deathmonkey41 - Jun 8, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    Maybe their attendence is heavily reliant on the German tourism industry?

    • stlouis1baseball - Jun 8, 2012 at 3:36 PM

      Awesome Monkey! I thought most people weren’t aware of the German ancestry of the Queen City.

      • addictedzone - Jun 8, 2012 at 9:43 PM

        Only those that have never experienced the joy of goetta are unfamiliar with the German ancestry.

      • Old Gator - Jun 9, 2012 at 12:08 AM

        I agree. Now Glier’s makes a turkey goetta for those who want to experience the joy without the arterial blockage. Unfortunately, the Glier’s tubes look just like those newfangled high-end dog food tubes – something my wife discovered the hard way when she fed half a tube of Glier’s to our dogs and I, who only get to bring three or four tubes a year home to Macondo following the annual Over the Rhine Christmas shows at the Taft and St. Elizabeth’s, suddenly discovered myself a half-pound of goetta short for the season. Pah!

  7. mkd - Jun 8, 2012 at 1:08 PM

    “New stadium and improved play lead to 47% increase in attendance for Marlins: Everything going according to plan.”

    There I fixed your headline.

  8. beanster71 - Jun 8, 2012 at 1:12 PM

    A 47% increase in a city and state with 9% unemployment is impressive. However their current pace translates into 2.3mm in attendance or almost 20% below the 2.8mm they were projecting. Put another way, they would need to average 38,000 the rest of the way to meet their numbers — which unfortunately is more than the stadium holds. Maybe that Heath Bell contract wasn’t such a good idea …

    • Old Gator - Jun 8, 2012 at 2:10 PM

      A) Thanks for putting the attendance figures in perspective, and (B) the best seats and skyboxes are so expensive that if they sell those out, and they’re well on their way to it, they can happily live with a few empty hardbacks in the nosebleed section.

      Also, whereas per capita this is a poor city – again, take into consideration the enormous percentage of the population here that is, as they say, just off the boat – it is, paradoxically, a very rich one. The incomes of, say, the hundreds of thousands of rich Europeans and South Americans who for all intents and purposes actually live here, don’t show up in the domestic calculations because they’re not American wage-earners and usually bank offshore. These folks, the South and Central Americans in particular, spend prodigiously and buy the “good seats” and skyboxes.

      The economic numbers down here make less sense from some angles than from others. Again, you need to look at the situation as it is, rather than respond to it with the usual assortment of mindless, ideologically prefabricated sound bites.

      • deathmonkey41 - Jun 8, 2012 at 2:55 PM

        Don’t forget Crocket and Tubbs. Those dudes drove around in a Ferrari Spyder.

  9. echech88 - Jun 8, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    Not defending it as it’s a notoriously flaky sports town but I imagine attendance will see some bounce in Summer when the Heat are done playing and the team is in a more heated playoff race AND the only major sport playing games.

    Also, lot’s of people thought this would be a total disaster which this definitely is not. Disappointing, sure, but this is more in line with what a lot of MLB markets look like at this time of year. Couldn’t have said that the last 5 years

  10. tsi431 - Jun 8, 2012 at 2:39 PM

    You can only polish a turd so much.

    • Old Gator - Jun 8, 2012 at 2:45 PM

      You need to check out the annual Talkeetna, Alaska Moose Turd Festival. You clearly have no real idea of just how much you can polish a turd.

      • Old Gator - Jun 8, 2012 at 3:17 PM

        Ah, here we go: all in favor of the Moose Turd Festival, click here:

        Maybe the Feesh could hold a manatee turd festival?

    • jimbo1949 - Jun 8, 2012 at 4:23 PM

      The acknowledged, definitive, last word on the subject:

      • Old Gator - Jun 8, 2012 at 4:30 PM

        Too wonderful.

  11. thejotapee - Jun 8, 2012 at 3:19 PM

    This is a ridiculous article. You can’t compare the Marlins attendance against already established fan bases. You have to compare this years attendance to what they’ve done in the past, before the new ballpark. The Marlins went from 29th, to 16th. That’s a HUGE jump. They went from 13,000 per game to 28,000 per. That’s another HUGE jump. All this while the Miami Heat are in the middle of a championship run and have all the spotlight. I’d say Marlins management should be very pleased with attendance. Did anyone really expect them to jump into the top 5 in attendance? Let them establish there new fan base.

    • Old Gator - Jun 8, 2012 at 3:55 PM

      I agree wholeheartedly, except to note that the behavior of the owners before the stadium was built alienated so much of the fan base, and that the circumstances of getting the stadium built alienated a much bigger proportion of the local population. Building this fan base won’t be a matter of converting a neutral population into fans; it’ll be a longer-term matter of converting a substantially hostile population.

      They can do it with time, patience and persistence. If they have a lousy finish with a concomitant loss of fans and respond to it by going cheapo again instead of holding the course, they’ll be right back where they started from in no time.

  12. brianjoates - Jun 8, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    The season is too long. Start it on Memorial Day weekend and end in October. Play a 2 game series on Wed./Thurs. and 3 game series Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Play the All Star game in the middle of August. Move the trading deadline to first week of Sept. Add more instant replay, whats wrong with getting calls correct?

    As for Marlins attendance, its only going to get worse until they get the mover or another public train to directly take people to the ballpark. South Florida residents already know what its like to park there, and its not always the safest part of town.

  13. El Bravo - Jun 8, 2012 at 4:17 PM

    Leave the bravos fans alone!

  14. rcali - Jun 8, 2012 at 5:53 PM

    Maybe they need a newer ballpark. That will bring the fans!!!!

    • Gordon - Jun 8, 2012 at 8:08 PM

      I agree. This one already has that “old man” smell.

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