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No pitch count for Johan Santana against the Yankees tonight

Jun 8, 2012, 10:30 AM EDT

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Johan Santana, a year removed from major shoulder surgery, hit his all-time high in pitches last week while no-hitting the Cardinals.  While he was given a couple of extra days of rest in the wake of that, he will not be on a lower-than-normal pitch count tonight, says Terry Collins.

Biggest reason: the team was impressed with his most recent bullpen session and with how he says he feels.  That said, I imagine Terry Collins is hoping that the Mets are up 12-0 after five innings and he can pull Santana after, like, 65 pitches.

  1. The Dangerous Mabry - Jun 8, 2012 at 10:32 AM

    This will be one of those odd occasions when Collins breathes a sigh of relief when the Yankees get their first hit.

  2. plmathfoto - Jun 8, 2012 at 10:59 AM

    I’m a huge Mets fan , but I’m not sure a 12-0 lead is safe with our pen!

    • sdelmonte - Jun 8, 2012 at 12:39 PM

      Yes, but given how the Yankees have been lately, the days of thinking that no lead is safe against them are over for now. (All we have to do is let the Yankees hit doubles and triples. That will kill any rally.)

  3. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jun 8, 2012 at 12:39 PM

    Again, the guy threw 134 pitches, not a million. Let’s all just relax.

    (Now of course he will blow out his elbow on the first pitch just to spite me, but it still seems like this hand-wringing is a bit excessive, relative to the cause.)

  4. avietar - Jun 8, 2012 at 4:27 PM

    Tom Seaver, Steve Carlton and Nolan Ryan would pitch three-hundred innings a year, year after year (and don’t even get me started on how many innings guys like Warren Spahn, Lefty Grove and Bob Feller would throw). NOBODY counted their pitches, only their innings, and most of them never experienced arm or shoulder trouble).

    Why are modern pitchers so bloody DELICATE? Granted, Santana’s coming off shoulder surgery, and he IS somewhat delicate at this point, but it’s as though the game has been placed in the hands of accountants whose only concern is jealously guarding their bosses’ INVESTMENTS.

    The beauty of an R.A. Dickey is that, even without a collateral ulnar nerve in his elbow, he can throw that knuckleball FOREVER.

    • paperlions - Jun 8, 2012 at 6:27 PM

      Let’s interject some facts.

      Ryan threw over 300 innings twice, and never topped 250 innings after 1977 (when he threw 299). 16 more years of Ryan and no big innings totals.

      Carlton threw over 300 innings twice, but topped 280 a number of other times.

      Seaver threw over 300 innings ZERO TIMES.

      Also, when those guys were pitching they were always among the league leaders, with most pitchers throwing far fewer innings.

      Most importantly, during those years teams usually had pretty weak hitters in the 1 and/or 2 spots and from 7 through 9…..there were a lot of easy outs where all the pitcher had to do was groove a FB because 1/2 the hitters in the lineup were slap hitters that wouldn’t hurt you if you did make a mistake. Few players lifted weights, few worked out in the off season, and NONE watched film. Pitching was simply far easier then. The same can’t be said today….the current Mariners lineup would be a murder’s row compared to lineups of the 70s.

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