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	<title>Comments on: UPDATE: The Dodgers and Andre Ethier reach a five-year, $85 million deal with an option for a sixth year</title>
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		<title>By: davidpom50</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be fair to the Dodgers, Martin declined for 2 years, then broke his hip. Dodgers had to make a decision about whether to tender him a contract or not without knowing how he&#039;d recover. He would&#039;ve made more in arbitration than the Yankees gave him. It was NOT a terrible decision at the time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair to the Dodgers, Martin declined for 2 years, then broke his hip. Dodgers had to make a decision about whether to tender him a contract or not without knowing how he&#8217;d recover. He would&#8217;ve made more in arbitration than the Yankees gave him. It was NOT a terrible decision at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: marinersnate</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marinersnate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;As for the Dodgers, I think they could have spent this $ better. I’d rather Hamilton for the next 3 years at the same $ amount.&quot;

Wouldn&#039;t everyone? But you are not getting Hamilton on a three year deal or &quot;at the same $ amount&quot; ($17M/year). Hamilton is said to be looking for a minimum of 8/9 years at Pujols/Fielder AAV ($23M/$25M).  Whether he gets it or not with his injury history and off field issues is open to speculation. But he is certainly not going to sign a three year deal with anyone and it would have to be a very high AAV to get him for five years. Otherwise, the Rangers&#039; would have already extended him.

Recent history has shown that some club will take a chance with a mega contract that will will be a huge overpay in it&#039;s latter half, just like Pujols and Fielder last year and A-rod after the 2007 season. If I had to make a guess right now, I would say that Hamilton probably re-signs with Texas at something between Jayson Werth money ($126M/7) and Carl Crawford money ($142M/7). Just a guess, but I think the numbers are right in the ballpark.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As for the Dodgers, I think they could have spent this $ better. I’d rather Hamilton for the next 3 years at the same $ amount.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t everyone? But you are not getting Hamilton on a three year deal or &#8220;at the same $ amount&#8221; ($17M/year). Hamilton is said to be looking for a minimum of 8/9 years at Pujols/Fielder AAV ($23M/$25M).  Whether he gets it or not with his injury history and off field issues is open to speculation. But he is certainly not going to sign a three year deal with anyone and it would have to be a very high AAV to get him for five years. Otherwise, the Rangers&#8217; would have already extended him.</p>
<p>Recent history has shown that some club will take a chance with a mega contract that will will be a huge overpay in it&#8217;s latter half, just like Pujols and Fielder last year and A-rod after the 2007 season. If I had to make a guess right now, I would say that Hamilton probably re-signs with Texas at something between Jayson Werth money ($126M/7) and Carl Crawford money ($142M/7). Just a guess, but I think the numbers are right in the ballpark.</p>
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		<title>By: fhuizar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fhuizar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 15:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And now his bat will suddenly cool off after getting paid]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now his bat will suddenly cool off after getting paid</p>
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		<title>By: sincitybonobo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sincitybonobo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would have let him walk.  But, he did parlay a trio of advantageous circumstances into a deal that would have likely exceeded his value on the open market.  (New owner, leading NL in RBI, and Dodgers&#039; MLB best record).  His agent deserves credit.  As for the Dodgers, I think  they could have spent this $ better.  I&#039;d rather Hamilton for the next 3 years at the same $ amount.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have let him walk.  But, he did parlay a trio of advantageous circumstances into a deal that would have likely exceeded his value on the open market.  (New owner, leading NL in RBI, and Dodgers&#8217; MLB best record).  His agent deserves credit.  As for the Dodgers, I think  they could have spent this $ better.  I&#8217;d rather Hamilton for the next 3 years at the same $ amount.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello bubba, I&#039;d like to introduce you to Mr. Jeter&#039;s trophy case.  GG awards are a popularity contest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello bubba, I&#8217;d like to introduce you to Mr. Jeter&#8217;s trophy case.  GG awards are a popularity contest.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbruce11047</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigbruce11047]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been a Dodger fan ever since they moved out West in 1958.  I have seen several players come up through the major leagues but when they deserve to make the &quot;Big Bucks&quot; they are traded to another team.  I&#039;m speaking of catcher Mike Pizzia.  He turned out to be one of the best catchers in the majors.  Catcher Martin was a good catcher and he had an average year and he is sent packing and the Yankees picked him up.  I&#039;m so glad that the Dodgers finally signed Ethier to his contract extension.  He is a consistent player and that&#039;s what you need.  Someone who wil drive in runs and play a good outfield.  Thanks Dodgers!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a Dodger fan ever since they moved out West in 1958.  I have seen several players come up through the major leagues but when they deserve to make the &#8220;Big Bucks&#8221; they are traded to another team.  I&#8217;m speaking of catcher Mike Pizzia.  He turned out to be one of the best catchers in the majors.  Catcher Martin was a good catcher and he had an average year and he is sent packing and the Yankees picked him up.  I&#8217;m so glad that the Dodgers finally signed Ethier to his contract extension.  He is a consistent player and that&#8217;s what you need.  Someone who wil drive in runs and play a good outfield.  Thanks Dodgers!!</p>
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		<title>By: hisgirlgotburrelled</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah i have to agree that it is not a big deal for outfielders. ethier missed a lot of games last year and he was not one of the best RF&#039;s last year. 

in &#039;05 bobby abreu won a gold glove playing RF. he was never the best fielding outfielder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah i have to agree that it is not a big deal for outfielders. ethier missed a lot of games last year and he was not one of the best RF&#8217;s last year. </p>
<p>in &#8217;05 bobby abreu won a gold glove playing RF. he was never the best fielding outfielder.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Pouliot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Pouliot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 06:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haven&#039;t seen any specifics in regards to how it vests, just a couple of tweets suggesting it&#039;s pretty easily reachable. It&#039;s worth $17.5 million, includes a $2.5 million buyout.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t seen any specifics in regards to how it vests, just a couple of tweets suggesting it&#8217;s pretty easily reachable. It&#8217;s worth $17.5 million, includes a $2.5 million buyout.</p>
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		<title>By: muckthefets23</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[muckthefets23]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 06:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s terms of the vesting option?? Don&#039;t know if the specifics were mentioned or I just missed them....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s terms of the vesting option?? Don&#8217;t know if the specifics were mentioned or I just missed them&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: andrebeingandre16</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 06:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[His uzr was pretty good last year if you are into fielding stats like that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His uzr was pretty good last year if you are into fielding stats like that.</p>
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		<title>By: slumdog66</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 06:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Still can&#039;t beat the halos]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still can&#8217;t beat the halos</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Pouliot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Pouliot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 06:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The NL had nine regular right fielders last year: Ethier, Beltran, Bruce, Hart, Heyward, Pence, Stanton, Upton and Werth.

Ethier is probably the slowest of that bunch when it comes to foot speed, and I can&#039;t imagine anyone would describe him as having an elite arm. I&#039;m standing by &quot;average at best.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NL had nine regular right fielders last year: Ethier, Beltran, Bruce, Hart, Heyward, Pence, Stanton, Upton and Werth.</p>
<p>Ethier is probably the slowest of that bunch when it comes to foot speed, and I can&#8217;t imagine anyone would describe him as having an elite arm. I&#8217;m standing by &#8220;average at best.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Pouliot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Pouliot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 06:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, it really isn&#039;t.

It&#039;s not as though Ethier is the consensus best right fielder in the NL. I have nothing at all to back this up, but I really doubt he got the majority of the Gold Glove votes for the position last year... he just got more than anyone else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it really isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not as though Ethier is the consensus best right fielder in the NL. I have nothing at all to back this up, but I really doubt he got the majority of the Gold Glove votes for the position last year&#8230; he just got more than anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: bubbalynch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bubbalynch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 05:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A gold glove is no big deal nowadays?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A gold glove is no big deal nowadays?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Pouliot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Pouliot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 05:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just the one, actually. However, if they had always been voting LF-CF-RF for outfielders (they just started last year), he might have been given more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just the one, actually. However, if they had always been voting LF-CF-RF for outfielders (they just started last year), he might have been given more.</p>
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		<title>By: nflinla</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nflinla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 05:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[2 gold gloves. I guess that&#039;s average.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 gold gloves. I guess that&#8217;s average.</p>
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