Comments on: “You should be rewarding Roger Clemens, not prosecuting him”

By: madhatternalice

madhatternalice — Mon, 18 Jun 2012 20:54:31 +0000

UPDATE: Clemens not guilty on all six counts. Sigh.

By: sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo

sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo — Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:21:46 +0000

And those are fine opinions to hold as someone posting comments on a baseball blog; i would hope that people in charge of prosecuting citizens of this country would take it a bit more seriously. If they can proceed with a punitive prosecution, What is to say that will not call me a child molester, release statements to the press and only show at trial that there is no real evidence? It is a pretty serious responsibility they have, and in this instance it seems they are using their power frivolously.

By: deadeyedesign23

deadeyedesign23 — Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:43:42 +0000

The level of reasonable doubt to keep a case from being heard by a jury and an acquittal are wildly different. There was clearly enough evidence to bring this to trial.

That said I have no problems with Roger Clemens having his name dragged through the mud. He asked for the congressional hearing. Then he lied to their faces. He deserves a punishment, but won’t get one because it’s all circumstantial. Im sorry that there are consequences for pulling that, but there are.

And his name was dragged through the md anyway. He clearly cheated. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it.

By: sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo

sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:08:07 +0000

The inability to meet the standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt is what should prevent a trial. This seems like little more than a public smear campaign: get some attention, accuse a guy of lots of stuff and air his dirty laundry. They won’t get a conviction, but his life will be worse for wear thereafter. If that is the case (and it is difficult to see what else this is) that is an egregious abuse of the powers bestowed upon the government in this instance.

By: deadeyedesign23

deadeyedesign23 — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:27:10 +0000

Reasonable doubt prevents a conviction it does not prevent something from going to trial.

By: sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo

sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:11:28 +0000

A drug dealer testifying for immunity, with old needles stored in a can that he kept so he could burn his client. He could also have created that evidence for the same purpose rather easily. Trainers give guys shots of lots of things (B12, lidocaine, cortizone etc. This is all the very definition of reasonable doubt.

By: deadeyedesign23

deadeyedesign23 — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:22:55 +0000

I woud disagree that there isn’t enough evidence to prosecute. He does have syringes that have, without a doubt, be inside Roger’s body. The argument comes down to what those syringes were filled with. As a sensical human being you and I both know what was in them, in a court it’s up for debate though. That said if a confirmed distributer of steroids says you took them and has needles with your DNA on them that’s enough evidence for trial.

By: sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo

sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:16:17 +0000

If Congress had such little evidence that I lied, I would never be brought to trial. People commit crimes all the time that are not prosecuted because (a) the case is unwinnable, or (b) the “criminal” and “crime” do not pose a threat to society. This case has the distinction of fulfilling both A and B, but Congressional egos can’t let it go.

By: deadeyedesign23

deadeyedesign23 — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 02:36:18 +0000

Lying to Congress is a real crime. If you did it you would be in jail. If anything he’s getting off light because he’s Roger Clemens.

By: sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo

sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:22:05 +0000

I was not trying to jump on the original poster, only trying to illustrate the relative frivolity of the Clemens “case” when compared to a real crime.

By: El Bravo

El Bravo — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:59:45 +0000

thats just not mathematically true

By: purnellmeagrejr

purnellmeagrejr — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:20:28 +0000

purgery – it’s one of those words that isn’t but maybe should be.

By: dirtyharry1971

dirtyharry1971 — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 04:26:38 +0000

and dont forget there is noway the so called evidence could have been tampered with!! NOO WAY!!!

By: pepefreeus

pepefreeus — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 02:57:52 +0000

And this trial is the only thing stopping them from doing all of those things.

By: pepefreeus

pepefreeus — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 02:54:23 +0000

Out with it!!

By: raysfan1

raysfan1 — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 02:43:22 +0000

No fan of Clemens but as folks keep mentioning the splintered bat, I have to think that if he had intended to actually hit Piazza that he would have hit him.

By: raysfan1

raysfan1 — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 02:38:46 +0000

Cake > pie

By: lostsok

lostsok — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:28:27 +0000

If that last few years have proven anything, its that fans don’t really care. If it’s a player from another team, especially a rival, that is accused or proven to have used PEDs, then fans love the opportunity to boo. If its their guy, they shrug or excuse it. Either way, the game goes on just fine.

Yes, it has put a lot of asterisks in the record book (imaginary, but squint and you can see them), but otherwise…it was just another interesting chapter in American’s most interesting game.

Spending all the money to prosecute a douche like Clemens is a waste of time, however. What is really going to come from it? Frankly, Clemens biggest mistake was not doing PEDs. It was making the mistake so typical of a politician. He broke the ultimate golden rule of public figures:

Never commit a felony to cover up a misdemeanor.

By: deadeyedesign23

deadeyedesign23 — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:25:44 +0000

1. Let’s not act like Roger is a saint. He threw a splintered baseball bat at another person. Had that happend anywhere outside of a baseball field he would have been arrested.

2. It’s irrelevant because any reasonable human with 2 eyes and a brain knows Roger Clemens cheated. I knew it 10 years ago.

You can have your own opinion on whether or not Clemens taking steroids is notable, but you can not have your own facts.

By: deadeyedesign23

deadeyedesign23 — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:19:28 +0000

Let’s relax. He was clearly only comparing the circumstances of the case in that a person is clearly guilty, but there’s not enough evidence to convict. No reasonable human being thinks he was comparing steroids to infanticide.

By: sasquash20

sasquash20 — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:16:18 +0000

Canseco is to me. But all three are trash

By: sasquash20

sasquash20 — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:14:55 +0000

Thank you. The money wasted on this investigation and trial is crazy. Get back to work on important things please.

By: buffalomafia

buffalomafia — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:45:32 +0000

Screw Roger Clemons! The government needs to worry more about creating jobs!

By: ftbramwell

ftbramwell — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:36:03 +0000

And somehow got Roger’s DNA all over the syringe to boot!

By: ltzep75

ltzep75 — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:35:59 +0000

Is it possible that Roger is being served…humble pie?

Or that maybe he gets convicted and will need this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tim_ellis/1234579267 (I know it’s a cupcake, but bear with me)

By: ftbramwell

ftbramwell — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:34:30 +0000

Who’s more likeable . . . a pitcher who threw a shard of jagged wood at another team’s star player, a slugger who never felt the need to endear himself to the media, or a tattle-tale? As far as I’m concerned, I’ll take the slugger every day of the week.

BTW, if you’re going to prosecute Barry, you better make sure you prosecute Roger when he engages in similar behavior.

By: mcsnide

mcsnide — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:18:23 +0000

You, sir, made me LOL.

By: Kevin Gillman

Kevin Gillman — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:51:51 +0000

The government needs to figure out how to cut the deficit, and how to secure more jobs in this country than worrying if an athlete did some drugs. Don’t get me wrong, what Clemens did was bad too, but come on. Let’s move on from these court cases.

By: buffalo65

buffalo65 — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:28:50 +0000

Can Clemens please just fade to black and disappear. I am tired of this good pitcher turned great thru steroid use.

By: jimbo1949

jimbo1949 — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:21:20 +0000

guilty of puking in the dean’s face? I thought that was Flounder.