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Dusty Baker unloads both barrels at Derek Lowe

Jun 14, 2012, 11:00 AM EST

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Dusty Baker was reached for comment this morning regarding the Derek Lowe stuff. And he let fire with both barrels. John Fay of Cincinnati.com has the story, with these delicious quotes among others:

“I’m not denying nothing. I didn’t order anyone to hit him. I told (Mat Latos) to buzz him and make him uncomfortable. That’s what happened. Nobody hit him. Then he hit our guy … What he was talking about was something that he said and did a few years. You got to ask him what that was … Go ask him since he made it public … The word was whatever he did and said probably there was a good chance he was drinking at the ballpark and he don’t remember what he said or what he did.”

Whoa.

For what it’s worth, Baker tends to be a pretty thoughtful and mild-mannered guy. Quiet, even. So to hear all this, especially the “he was probably drinking in the clubhouse” stuff suggests that Lowe REALLY pissed him off somehow.

For his part, Lowe said he was done talking and would offer nothing else today. So … Dusty wins?  I think Dusty wins.

  1. savocabol1 - Jun 14, 2012 at 11:13 AM

    Instructing your player to almost hit someone? Looks like Bud will be all over this one. Good work Dusty!

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jun 14, 2012 at 11:46 AM

      As Derek Jeter said when Manny whined about getting brushed back: it doesn’t hurt to get ALMOST hit.

      • paperlions - Jun 14, 2012 at 12:13 PM

        Nonetheless, getting almost hit won’t stop the Cap’n from acting like it hurt.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jun 14, 2012 at 1:13 PM

        True dat, but he’s trying to win ballgames, not whining in the press.

    • skerney - Jun 14, 2012 at 12:22 PM

      Brushing back a hitter and throwing inside happens every single game. EVERY SINGLE GAME. It is part of the game. It is totally clean and part of the strategy of baseball. Like a clean hard tackle in football or a clean foul in basketball. There is nothing dirty about brushing someone back. People who have a problem with working inside and getting a hitter off balance must think baseball is a game where a guy just tries to throw really fast and a guy tries to hit it. The relationship between a hitter and pitcher is psychological and well as athletic/ physical. “Almost hitting someone” is a poor description of what Baker asked Latos to do. There is a difference between buzzing a guy and a purpose pitch that is sending a message that he is trying to hit you. If no one is hit with a pitch, or trying to hit a batsman, where is the harm? In every single game that has ever been played a pitcher has buzzed a guy to get in his head. Randy Johnson did it to great effect, Felix Hernandez does it, Kershaw, Strasburg, everyone.

      • bravesfaninbama - Jun 14, 2012 at 2:17 PM

        This argument would be valid if Latos had done it to Choo or Santana, but brushing back a PITCHER is completely unnecessary. 90% of them couldn’t hit .200 in A ball. No pitcher is trying to ‘get a hitter off balance’ when the hitter is a PITCHER. The only reason anybody comes in on a pitcher is because they were ordered to do it.

  2. skeleteeth - Jun 14, 2012 at 11:19 AM

    Let the liquor tell it!

  3. heyblueyoustink - Jun 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM

    So, if i’m inferring correctly, Lowe refused to buy Dusty an $8 beer, Dusty said he was a cheapo drunkie in good fun, Lowe reponded with ” you’ll never win a Worlsheries, you schoker, go hug a schteroid doodler” …. and Dusty never forgave him.

    Yup, that’s what i’m thinking.

    • stlouis1baseball - Jun 14, 2012 at 1:11 PM

      Hahaha! “Worlsheries.” No…Ociffer. I taint been drinkin.’

  4. deathmonkey41 - Jun 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM

    Matt Latos just isn’t “Old School” enough to hit anyone.

  5. cur68 - Jun 14, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    “Buzz him & make uncomfortable”? Sounds like pitch inside to me. Pretty standard stuff. Bautista has that happen to him all the time. Lots of guys do, many of them pitchers. So what? Lowe sounds like a dick here, but I know my duty. *ahem*…Dang you Dusty Baker!! Dang you to heck!! (Extra exclamations to indcateI really mean it, too).

    • randomdigits - Jun 14, 2012 at 11:34 AM

      You make Bautista uncomfortable because he hits home runs with regularity and you are attempting to keep him from doing that to your team. You make opposing pitchers uncomfortable because you are messing with them.

      • umrguy42 - Jun 14, 2012 at 11:58 AM

        But if messing with them leads to them being off their game, so your guys have an easier time against them… it’s valid strategy, no?

      • bengalsucker - Jun 14, 2012 at 12:03 PM

        You basically said the same thing twice. If you’re throwing one inside to Bautista to keep him from hitting a home run, you’re “messing with him” intentionally to throw him off. So it’s the same as throwing inside to a pitcher. You’re “messing with him” but to get him off of his pitching game, not his hitting game. Then you have to worry about him coming out and hitting one of your batters like Lowe did in this game when he hit Phillips. I have no doubt that was intentional.

      • cur68 - Jun 14, 2012 at 2:44 PM

        This here’s MLB. That means if you are standing in the batter’s box holding lumber, you’re intention is to hit a pitch. You get treated like every person trying to hit a pitch. If they don’t treat you like any other MLB hitter, they don’t respect you. Lowe’s a dick. Dusty did what a good manager does: sieze any opportunity that is fair & legal and get your team an edge on the other team. If he doesn’t then that ain’t MLB baseball.

    • stlouis1baseball - Jun 14, 2012 at 11:46 AM

      Outstanding. No matter how many times you post it I will never tire of reading…
      “Dang you Dusty Baker!! Dang you to heck!!”

  6. delawarephilliesfan - Jun 14, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    “there was a good chance he was drinking at the ballpark and he don’t remember what he said”

    Something tells me the commisioners office will be having a chat with Dusty….

    • ThisIsBaseball - Jun 14, 2012 at 1:06 PM

      I don’t understand why the Commissioner’s office would get involved with that comment.

      • delawarephilliesfan - Jun 14, 2012 at 3:19 PM

        For the record, I like Baker, and think Lowe is an ass (and a drunk). But saying he was drinking “on the job” to the point where he doesn’t remember what he said? That’s a bit over the line….and the commish gets involved in over the line comments all the time.

        I’m not suggesting he will suspend Baker or even fine him, but I think there will for certain be a discussion telling him he had better choose his words more wisely next time

  7. stlouis1baseball - Jun 14, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    Metalhead: We are anxiously awaiting your take on the Lowe/Baker pissing match.

  8. bengalsucker - Jun 14, 2012 at 11:58 AM

    What’s also not included in this is that Lowe drilled Phillips later on in this game and also hit Votto in 2009 (yeah that’s a little far back to be referencing but Lowe acts like he’s innocent here). You don’t see Phillips or Votto whining like girls b/c they were how by this clown. That’s a clown question, bro! Oh wait, that doesn’t fit this scenario. :-)

    • bengalsucker - Jun 14, 2012 at 11:59 AM

      “hit” by this clown….is what I meant to say.

  9. bengalsucker - Jun 14, 2012 at 12:00 PM

    I have this feeling that someone will get hit in the game today and there’s going to be a brawl. Reds/Cards 2012 in the making? lol

  10. Aaron - Jun 14, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    “So … Dusty wins? I think Dusty wins.”

    Dusty has finally learned how to win without Barry Bonds?

    • bengalsucker - Jun 14, 2012 at 12:05 PM

      Stupid comment considering the Reds are in first right now even with half their starters sick or injured. Can’t say that same thing about the Cards can we? Didn’t think so. I’m no Dusty fan but this team seems to find ways to win even when they aren’t on their A game.

      • Aaron - Jun 14, 2012 at 12:42 PM

        Relax. I was only half serious. I’m a Reds fan.

        I will say this, though: Who cares that they are in 1st place in mid-June? In mid-July last year, the Red Sox, Pirates, Giants, and Indians were all in 1st place. And, please, the Reds have been fairly healthy this year, especially compared to the Cardinals. In fact, one injury (Rolen’s) has been positive for the team.

      • houseofcards21 - Jun 14, 2012 at 1:01 PM

        Im pretty sure the Cards have had more people on the DL this year than any other team with 2 starters on the DL now and are still trucking. Not going to argue that the Reds are a better team right now because they are but horrible analogy.

      • houseofcards21 - Jun 14, 2012 at 1:07 PM

        *whether or not the Reds are a better team

  11. drewsylvania - Jun 14, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    A DUI guy vs. a mental midget. Film at 11.

  12. psuravens19 - Jun 14, 2012 at 12:22 PM

    Oochie Mama… this is a good one. How great would it have been if Baker said, “That’s a clown question, Bro”

    • drewsylvania - Jun 14, 2012 at 12:29 PM

      It’s been a day and I’m already sick of that meme.

  13. motherscratcher23 - Jun 14, 2012 at 12:53 PM

    I see Dusty’s stragety here.

    1. He either buzzes Lowe (notorious hitter who opposing managers fear with the lumber in their hands) and makes him uncomfortable.

    OR

    2. Latos actually comes too far inside and hits him. Then he’s just out there clogging up the bases.

    That’s a Win Win if I ever saw one.

    Someone should go back and check the tape to see how often Reds pitchers and buzzed the opposing pitcher to make him uncomfortable. I’m sure you’ll find that it’s something Dusty does all of the time…not just to Lowe. You just can’t let those fearsom pitchers beat you with the bat.

  14. theawesomersfranchise - Jun 14, 2012 at 1:53 PM

    Boom Roasted!

  15. scoregasmic - Jun 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    “Buzz him” I see what you did there

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