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Mat Latos allows three homers, thinks Indians stole signs

Jun 19, 2012, 10:47 AM EDT

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Mat Latos got rocked for seven runs last night against Cleveland, serving up three homers in four innings, and afterward the Reds right-hander said he thinks the Indians were stealing his signs from catcher Ryan Hanigan.

Here’s what Latos told Tom Groeschen of the Cincinnati Enquirer:

I thought I made some good pitches that they spit on, with a runner on second base. … When you go back and look at video, a couple runners on second base, they put better swings on the ball than they did most of the time without a runner on second base.

Latos went on to say that Shin-Soo Choo clearly looking for a breaking ball after they changed signs “shows me a little something.” However, he repeatedly blamed himself for leaving pitches up in the zone and in accusing the Indians of stealing signs Latos didn’t actually blame them for doing so, calling it “kind of the idea” and “that’s the way baseball goes, and it is what it is.”

And while stolen signs might have contributed to Latos allowing three homers it’s worth noting that prior to last night he’d served up 13 homers in 76 innings, including five at home against the Rockies on May 27. He’s also struggled all season overall, posting a career-worst 5.20 ERA after the Reds acquired him in a blockbuster deal with the Padres.

  1. dan1111 - Jun 19, 2012 at 10:56 AM

    The results from a couple of times when runners were on base and one at bat when they changed the signs are not much of a sample size to tell if someone was stealing signs, never mind complain about it in the press.

  2. tophermike - Jun 19, 2012 at 11:03 AM

    I’m surprised his wife didnt leak the accusation first

  3. silversun60 - Jun 19, 2012 at 11:07 AM

    Maybe with all of the recent injuries to the Jays, the man in white was secretly traded to a contender.

    • proudlycanadian - Jun 19, 2012 at 11:15 AM

      The man in white is named Harvey. He is actually a 6 foot tall invisible rabbit.

      • ajcardsfan - Jun 19, 2012 at 12:13 PM

        One of my favorite screenplays, kudos for that reference

  4. pharmerbrown - Jun 19, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    Sounds like a man trying to catch hay in a hurricane, although he does admit it.

  5. icanspeel - Jun 19, 2012 at 11:13 AM

    I saw the home run pitches and they weren’t exactly good pitches.. They were out over the plate.

  6. proudlycanadian - Jun 19, 2012 at 11:13 AM

    This sign stealing claim is a weak excuse used by some pitchers who get hit hard. Hitters are not dummies. They have scouting reports. Often they make the right assumption about what pitch will be thrown.

    • dan1111 - Jun 19, 2012 at 11:25 AM

      It’s especially lame to say, “yeah, I pitched bad, but they also stole signs!” which is effectively what he did.

    • chill1184 - Jun 19, 2012 at 11:29 AM

      This is what the second or third steal signs claim this season. Its nothing but a bad excuse.

  7. crookedstick - Jun 19, 2012 at 11:19 AM

    Just shut up and make pitches! What’s his excuse for his other sucky outings this year? Who’d have thought he be the weak link in the Reds rotation? Quite the upgrade over Volquez!

    • metalhead65 - Jun 19, 2012 at 12:02 PM

      agreed, in fact I have taken to calling him edinson latos! but according to my fellow reds fans you have to understand he is only 24 and eventually he will get better right? right? yea just like volquez did,another trade where the reds gave away way to much to get a average pitcher at best. like you said he is the weak link in the rotation. where are all those people who wanted to trade Homer Bailey at now? and Bronson Arroyo looks like the Arroyo of old now that he is not pitching with mono like he was last season. his numbers would be even better if dusty would stop sending back out to steal another inning when he is done.don’t believe me? watch a game he pitches and you will see 6 strong innings followed by being sent back out for the 7th only to give up the tying or go ahead runs THEN dusty takes him out after the damage has been done. happened every game but 1this year. Cueto is the ace of the staff that latos was suppose to be,he may not have the same stuff but has the numbers latos wishes he could come close to.

  8. gottagotowork99 - Jun 19, 2012 at 11:29 AM

    We think them damn Injuns is lootin’ again. Let’s take Cleveland and move ’em all to Youngstown this time. We’ll give them 20 bucks a week, no taxes and a casino playground for their troubles.

    • stlouis1baseball - Jun 19, 2012 at 2:44 PM

      Yes…but they just can’t drink alcohol at THEIR casino…er…playground.

  9. Kevin S. - Jun 19, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    If they were stealing signs (from the field, anyway), don’t whine about it, hide you signs better!

    Btw, I’ve said the same thing each time I’ve heard Russell Martin bitch about this.

    • paperlions - Jun 19, 2012 at 11:35 AM

      Yep, and there is apparently no way he could be tipping his pitches or just very predictable in his pitch selection in particular situations….and, you know, executing poorly.

      You don’t need to steal signs when the pitch is a handing breaking ball over the middle of the plate.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 19, 2012 at 11:51 AM

        Shin-Soo Choo clearly looking for a breaking ball after they changed signs “shows me a little something.”

        Possible reasons for this:
        A. Pitch Selection sucks
        B. Pitch Sequencing is too easy to figure out
        C. You can’t throw anything else for a strike
        D. Research on pitching matchups
        E. Cheating

        Definitely E…

      • Kevin S. - Jun 19, 2012 at 1:04 PM

        E. “Cheating”

        There is absolutely nothing illegal about stealing signs from the field of play. That’s why teams have signs instead of the batters politely turning their backs and covering their ears while the pitcher and catcher discuss what pitch they want to throw.

      • dan1111 - Jun 19, 2012 at 4:30 PM

        @Kevin, you forgot to look in the “unwritten rules” section. It’s written in invisible ink on the page right after the back cover.

      • Kevin S. - Jun 19, 2012 at 5:33 PM

        Morgan Ensberg covered them all quite succinctly after the A-Rod/Braden dust-up.

  10. rcali - Jun 19, 2012 at 12:30 PM

    Miss San Diego, don’t you Latos?

  11. NoWearMan - Jun 19, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    I am confused.

    Why do they have signs to begin with as opposed to the catcher yelling out “CURVEBALL”?

    Why do they make the signs complicated?

    What’s this idiot going to complain about next? “Well, if you go back and look at the tape, the Indians were swinging the bat at the pitches I was throwing…that’s dirty pool”.

    If someone is stealing your signs, THAT’S ON YOU AND YOUR TEAM.

    Bravo, Indians.

  12. stlouis1baseball - Jun 19, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    Gasp! A Reds player “whining!”
    Metalhead: Take. Note. Your boy is whining!

    • bengalsucker - Jun 19, 2012 at 2:54 PM

      Pot…Meet Kettle. This comment coming from a Cards fan who has the Queen of all whiners. Yeah I said Queen because Carpenter whines like a b**** constantly. And your whiney a$$ manager quit while he was ahead after last year. Blows me away that a Cards fan makes a comment about another team whining. lol Incredible.

      • stlouis1baseball - Jun 19, 2012 at 3:02 PM

        SUCKER: Thanks Mr. Obvious. The entire point was just that.
        Metalhead and I are always jawing back and forth about Cardinals/Reds.
        It’s generally all in fun as well. Of course…your attitude reminds me a lot of the inmate studded lineup at Paul Brown stadium so I will be sure to take your comments with a grain of salt.
        In summation…YEAH…HELL YEAH…when a Redlegs player whines like a little bitch you bet your BUNGALS loving ass I am gonna call him on it. Wow…

    • bengalsucker - Jun 19, 2012 at 3:11 PM

      Awww look at the little guy pumping his chest. lol Resorting to the old “Bungles are criminals” routine huh? Yeah no one has ever said that before right? lol Look at every other team in the NFL and let’s compare the criminals and rap sheets they’re all getting. I bet the “bungles” are in the middle of the pack son. Please come up with something fresh next time. Thanks! :-)

      • stlouis1baseball - Jun 19, 2012 at 3:15 PM

        “Please come up with something fresh next time.” Sorta’ like your Carp comment huh?
        You are new around here…so I will cut you some slack.

    • metalhead65 - Jun 19, 2012 at 8:23 PM

      yes he is and believe me when I tell you he got roasted for it on the radio and message boards today. maybe the cards and reds can work a trade then he would feel right at home with cards!lol!

  13. spudchukar - Jun 19, 2012 at 2:55 PM

    If pitchers weren’t generally so damned stupid, signs could be more complex. I cannot tell you how many times I have reminded pitchers that when a runner reaches second, the signals change, but still end up crossed up, cause anything more complicated then 1 finger for a fastball, 2 for a curve etc is too complex for the higher functions of their cerebral cortex.

    There are plenty of exceptions, and it is unfair to generalize, and I have no idea about Latos, he could be a member of Mensa for all I know, but the collective IQ of pitchers is far below that of most regular position players.

    As has been stated, unless hidden cameras are in use by the opposition, or some other nefarious means of garnering signals, all is fair in love, war and baseball. Catchers can be responsible occasionally, but Hannigan has always demonstrated smarts so I doubt if that is where the problem originated.

  14. jumbro10 - Jun 19, 2012 at 4:21 PM

    Was at the game. It was AMAZING how much better the indians were at thelate once someone was at 2nd base. Friend and i commented on it. Of course, i thought it was coincidence and didnt even think about signs.

  15. charlutes - Jun 19, 2012 at 6:03 PM

    every team tries to steal signs how do people still not get this?

  16. rico7207 - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    What inning??? If you suspect that, you change them and not cry days later. Did Cincy steal theirs also? Both managers had velcro up their butts and just watched the horrible pitching. They may have bet the overs through Pete Rose. No other explanations!

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