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Davey Johnson on Joe Maddon: “I don’t know him that well, but I thought he was a weird wuss”

Jun 20, 2012, 4:49 PM EDT

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Joe Maddon had all kinds of harsh words for Davey Johnson and the Nationals after the Joel Peralta glove/pine tar incident last night, and today Johnson fired back at the Rays manager.

When asked about Maddon’s contention that many pitchers have pine tar on their gloves, Johnson replied: “My only comment to them is just read the rule book.”

And then when asked what he thought of Maddon and his comments that the Nationals were “cowardly” and pulled “a chickens*** move” by calling the umpires’ attention to Peralta’s glove, Johnson told Mark Zuckerman of “I don’t know him that well, but I thought he was a weird wuss anyways.”

Should be a fun game tonight!

  1. Will Rodeffer - Jun 20, 2012 at 4:55 PM

    Way to perpetuate the macho tropes of baseball, Davey, you old bag of meat.

    • drewsylvania - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:19 PM

      Don’t you mean “Joe”?

    • skerney - Jun 20, 2012 at 10:48 PM

      Hey Davey, remember when Joel Peralta was on your team LAST SEASON? Remember when he put pine tar on his glove EVERY SINGLE time he pitched.? Remember how you loved it when he helped you win with that pitiful team you fielded? It is a BUSH league move when you call him out for it now when you reaped the benefits of it last season.

      FYI fans, in cold east coast night games when the pitcher can’t work up a sweat to help him grip the ball, EVERY pitcher puts a little pine tar somewhere. Belt, hat, glove, wherevever. If you throw 90 mph+ and can’t get a grip on the ball, the batter WANTS the pitcher to use a little tar so he knows where it is going so he won’t get killed.

      Davey Johnson used the feather in his cap and exposed himself as a hypocritical jerk wad. How long has he been in the game? 40 years? I guarantee you he knows this happens every single day in every single game.

      I hate to burst your bubble Nats fans, but pine tar is used every day by the best of them, and for Davey Johnson to call out Peralta for it is the equivalent of you calling the cops on your neighbor for driving 20mph in a 15mph zone.


      • natstowngreg - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:11 AM

        Peralta pitched for the Rays last season. He pitched for the Nats in 2010, before Davey took over.

      • morleytalcott - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:05 PM

        Ah, skerney, the know-it-all pitching maven of loaded baseballs. Sure, let’s let every pitcher on the Rays do what they want…a little pine tar? Sure! How about a nice melange of vaseline and snot to go with it? And don’t let anyone take offense to such loading or White Goggle Joe might get all hissified.

        Like Davey says, read the flippin’ rulebook. Dork.

      • georgebrett - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:07 PM

        In tonight’s game, which rule in the book should be allowed to NOT be followed. Maybe 1 team should get 4 strikes instead of 3, or how about one player will be allowed to use an aluminum bat instead of wood.

        There is a reason why there’s what’s called RULES.

      • rockyjessup - Jun 22, 2012 at 5:03 PM

        Joel Peral-tar never pitched for Davey Johnson. He was a Nat under Jim Riggleman. Johnson was right to nail the cheater. And Maddon is a weird wuss.

  2. professor30 - Jun 20, 2012 at 4:59 PM

    i’m so f’in sick of joe maddon trying to play the role of the poor lil’ step child that everybody’s pickin’ on. hey joe here’s an idea….win something and then you’ve earned the right to run your mouth.

    • flpunx - Jun 20, 2012 at 6:30 PM

      3 out of 4 years in the playoffs in arguably the toughest division in baseball against the 2 top payrolls and 2 of those 3 as division champs.

      Plus Maddon has WON 2 Manager of the Year awards.

      Winning the division crown against the Yankees and Red Sox is a huge accomplishment when you compare the payrolls.

      Don’t ever tell a Cubs fan that winning the division doesn’t mean anything.

    • bigmeechy74 - Jun 20, 2012 at 6:37 PM

      win something? Can you think of any manager that would have won a world series with that Rays team? They have done as well as they possibly could. I am so tired of everyone being judged only by if they have won a championship. I guess Dan Marino, Ernie Banks, and Ted Williams sucked too.

      • drewsylvania - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:22 PM

        By the same token, I can think of plenty of managers who could win something after getting a bazillion early-1st-round picks from being in the toilet for ten years.

      • raysfaninsrq - Jun 21, 2012 at 10:36 AM

        drewsylvania, you need to do your homework… the Rays 40 man roster at the end of the regular season in 2011 had exactly 4 first round picks including two pitchers whose collective 2011 record was 23-20, barely over .500. Since Maddon and Steinberg took over, the Rays have built thier team through selective acquisitions and building players through their farm teams. This is what has made them good over the last 4 years, NOT first round picks.

        Aside from that, what Johnson did was wrong, what Maddon did was wrong, what Peralta did was wrong. Three wrongs DO NOT make a right!! I have raised my kids to play games and life with integrity, what these professionals did had exactly zero integrity.

  3. seeinred87 - Jun 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM

    Awesome. Davey Johnson just went up a notch or two in my book (well I… actually have a book).

    This is much more fun than being all professional about it and not offering a comment.

  4. mattyflex - Jun 20, 2012 at 5:14 PM

    “weird wuss”… Great moments in stumbling around for a word to use as an insult.

    • toozie21 - Jun 20, 2012 at 6:20 PM

      Reminds me of the old man in A Christmas Story yelling nada finga when he found out there was no glue to fix the leg lamp.

      • mattyflex - Jun 21, 2012 at 9:04 AM

        hah! perfect.

  5. paul621 - Jun 20, 2012 at 5:18 PM

    Johnson also said that he wouldn’t get into a shouting match because Maddon “has a Tweeter,” and, therefore, more people listening to him.

  6. hittfamily - Jun 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM

    Maddon was right about that wrinkled asshole Davey Johnson. That was a chicken shit thing that Johnson did. Many, perhaps even most, pitchers use something to hold rosin on their fingers better. I isn’t being used to cause the ball to do anything different. It is used so he doesn’t have to go to the rosin bag every single pitch. It was likely the Nats orginazation that taught him this trick.

    Now he loses 1/16th of his salary, and gets labeled a cheater. Maddon’s point was that Davey has plenty of guys on his team that skirt the rules as well, and nothing was gained by ruining Peralta’s reputation.

    Davey Johnson is the guy who calls the cops when a neighbors dog shits in his lawn. I fucking hate that guy.

    • professor30 - Jun 20, 2012 at 5:30 PM

      so it’s okay to put pine tar on the ball? dude that’s cheating, doesn’t matter if it’s pine tar, vaseline or rubbing the ball with sandpaper.

      • paperlions - Jun 20, 2012 at 5:44 PM

        Exactly, using pine tar to get a better grip gives a pitcher an unnatural and huge advantage…indeed, using a substance to improve grip to that degree likely represents a greater advantage than a pitcher using steroids.

        …and (or most) pitchers do not use pine tar to get a better grip….the classic cry of the caught cheater….no, everyone doesn’t do it. Shut up and be accountable.

      • hittfamily - Jun 20, 2012 at 5:54 PM

        3 of those have an affect on the ball. 1 doesn’t. Johnson knows pine tar doesn’t change the flight of the ball. He ruined a career so he might possibly be more successful for 3 outs. It was a horse shit thing to do, and Johnson’s players know it. It’s no different than what was done to George Brett. Had that not been overturned, he would go down as a cheater.

        Davey reminds me of the bad guy in wrestling. When the ref has his back turned, low blows and foreign objects are fair game. When the ref turns around, Davey Johnson points out something his opponent does, that he does as well.

        Anyone who has ever used Ky or sunscreen will tell you pine tar has the exact opposite effect. It is cheating, just as running the bases with cleates on are cheating. The rulebook says no extension of the hands or feet shall be used, but only Davey Johnson would protest a game for a guy increasing his arm’s length 1/8th of an inch by wearing batting gloves, or 3/4 ” by wearing cleates.

        Maddon’s point was Johnson used inside knowledge to ruin a guy’s career, all to get very little to no benefit to himself. Johnson was working in the Front Office when they decided not to offer arbitration to Peralta. It’s like they are rubbing salt in Peralta’s wounds, that they created.

        Nobody will ever want to be an ex Nat again with this leather faced prick looming to ruin careers.

      • paperlions - Jun 20, 2012 at 5:57 PM

        Pine tar affects the grip a pitcher has on the ball and the ability to spin it…which can greatly affect the ability to get a tighter break on pitches.

        Every way a pitcher can cheat does not involve putting material on the ball.

      • Cris E - Jun 20, 2012 at 6:38 PM

        hittfamily, he was caught with pine tar, not throwing games. There are several HoF members with careers ruined thusly. Lighten up.

      • skerney - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:46 PM

        Batters use gloves, pine tar, mota sticks, a tiny strike zone, rosin, personalized bats that can be shaved and sanded to the perfect weight, and every bonds-type elbow guard that give them an edge over the pitcher, but you say that a dab of pine tar is cheating? You are a novice. You obviously know very little about what pine tar does or what goes on on a baseball diamond and have never held an MLB pearl in your hand. Even with mud on it, it is un-grippable.

        Baseball fans who are holier than thou about the rules of the game are so in the dark about what really goes on.
        Just because you have Extra Innings doesn’t mean you know anything.

      • chadjones27 - Jun 21, 2012 at 8:28 AM

        So, skerney, are you saying that it shouldn’t be a “rule” book, it should just be a set of guidelines? Suggestions, that you’re allowed to break, provided others do it.

    • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jun 20, 2012 at 5:45 PM

      If there are guys doing the same thing on the Nats then maybe Maddon should call them on it. Oh wait, I forgot, that would somehow make him a coward.

      • dangle13x - Jun 20, 2012 at 6:49 PM

        What’s the point in flexing your muscles on a message board about it? You all just come off sounding like complete douche bags. Cheers.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jun 20, 2012 at 7:15 PM

        What’s the point in posting unfunny replies to half the comments here? You just come off as a total loser.

    • dangle13x - Jun 20, 2012 at 6:51 PM

      My first reaction is Davey Johnson is about as witty as the shit I took this morning.

      • opiedamus - Jun 21, 2012 at 10:29 AM

        He’s as nutty and corny as the shit I took this morning……and “I don’t remember havin any corn!” (Fatbastard, in Austin Powers)——— wait, that’s gross

    • madhatternalice - Jun 20, 2012 at 7:04 PM

      the number of incorrect accusations, maligned facts and straight up fallacies in this comment is ridiculous. did davey johnson have sex with your dog before shooting it?

    • sabatimus - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:16 PM

      Apparently you’re not familiar with the rules, or simply don’t care.

    • drewsylvania - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:24 PM

      It’s against the rules. End of story. Go bring your sanctimony over to Maddon’s house, it’ll fit right in.

  7. mydadyourmom - Jun 20, 2012 at 5:35 PM

    Maddon embarrassed himself the other day. His guy cheated and got caught. End of story.

  8. 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jun 20, 2012 at 5:43 PM

    Cowardly? A chickens*** move? Last time I checked what Johnson did was well within the rules and Joe “everyone is out to get us” Maddon is just pissed that his team got burned.

    • onermedboxer - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:06 PM

      The final score was 5-4. I’m pretty sure the Rays did not get burned, they won

      • sabatimus - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:17 PM

        Your pitcher is probably going to be out for 10 games…

      • drewsylvania - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:25 PM

        Apple, meet orange.

  9. bbk1000 - Jun 20, 2012 at 5:46 PM

    Davey Johnson managed the Mets in the mid to late 80’s. This team didn’t always get along, but they were good on the field and were the toughest team off the field, Johnson kept it all together.

    Johnson is under appreciated, he was a great player, and is a much better manager than Maddon.

    He is also 10 years or so older than Maddon, that being said I would still take Davey over Joe, either in a fight or as manager of my team……

    • dangle13x - Jun 20, 2012 at 6:52 PM

      Well of course you would, white trash stick together right?

      • bbk1000 - Jun 20, 2012 at 7:20 PM

        You wouldn’t understand, you would be hiding under a table looking for an exit….

  10. jrillah10 - Jun 20, 2012 at 5:47 PM

    I don’t think Madden embarrassed himself. He stuck up for his player. What the heck is he supposed to do, say ya he cheated? Give me a break. With that being said, Johnson didn’t do anything wrong. What’s sad is a lot of pitchers do this to keep rosin on the fingers. It’s still illegal and he got caught. It happens. But Joe playing the victim is not the case here. Sticking up for your player is what you’re supposed to do. Maybe he should go into bashing his team like Valentine. That’s paying off for the Red Sox. This is over with and won’t be much of anything.

    • ltzep75 - Jun 21, 2012 at 9:42 AM

      When are you referring to regarding the (present tense) statement: “Bashing his team like Valentine. That’s paying off for the Red Sox” ?

      Last I checked the team was playing .500 ball with $80million in contracts on the DL for the better part of the season and a bullpen held together with spit and duct tape.

      That said, I agree this is really much ado about nothing.

      • 24missed - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:05 PM

        Sure Boston is an easy target. Get your facts straight if you want to talk the talk. They are paying more than a dime or two more than 80 million in the DL department, thank you very much. Following the team all season, I can tell you that the team is grateful to play one game above .500. Biggest misconception? Our bullpen rocks. No sarcasm there. That is the one consistent, solid, awe-inspiring piece of art that ever was or has been. Check that era and come back here.

        As for Valentine bashing the players? Only a touch or two in front of the media. He started that stuff in the beginning, but was quickly pulled back. Now, it is a more gentle approach. Of course, if you pull a Buchholz, like the other day, you completely deserve it and Valentine actually gained a little respect from me for doing just that.

        Maddon and Valentine had a little go at it earlier this year. It was a surprise. I never expected that from Maddon. Valentine, yeah. I expected a much more volatile year with him being the manager and all, but Maddon? I still think incredibly highly of how Maddon plays the game, but it really stunned me.

        Back to the situation on hand:
        It’ll be interesting to see how many of all of our own pitchers from our own teams handle this situation and how it effects their pitching.

    • voteforno6 - Jun 21, 2012 at 9:50 AM

      I don’t think it would be a problem if he just stuck up for his player. It was just some gamesmanship – you tip your cap, and move on. Instead, Maddon decided to attack Davey Johnson, as well as the Nationals organization. I thought that it was incredibly childish on his part. All he did was make himself look foolish.

  11. btwicey - Jun 20, 2012 at 6:02 PM


  12. jumbro10 - Jun 20, 2012 at 6:03 PM

    The way people defend cheaters like this is flat out disgusting…no wonder our world is as sad as it is getting. Evertone doesnt do it, but anyone who does should be caught.

    • dangle13x - Jun 20, 2012 at 6:48 PM

      Thanks for the social commentary, but if I wanted to hear a monkey spew shit I can go to the zoo. Retard.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jun 20, 2012 at 7:14 PM

        Or you could record your own voice and play it back on your stereo.

  13. dtob79 - Jun 20, 2012 at 6:06 PM

    How dare anyone say a bad word about Joe Maddon?!? He wears ironic glasses and has his team dress up in hilarious outfits for road trips!

    • dangle13x - Jun 20, 2012 at 6:47 PM

      I see what you did there. Sarcasm is so funny. All the 12 year olds I know would be impressed.

      • dtob79 - Jun 20, 2012 at 7:29 PM

        You know a lot of 12 year olds?

      • wlschneider09 - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:49 PM

        He does, and they think he’s an ass too.

      • psousa1 - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:52 PM

        Very good comeback Mr. Sandusky

    • sabatimus - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:20 PM

      Dangle has clearly never seen Happy Gilmore: “You eat pieces of s**t for breakfast?”

  14. boltsfan777 - Jun 20, 2012 at 7:57 PM

    I’m a Rays fan, but Maddon is totally wrong. If someone is going to try to cheat to get an edge, the oppenent has the right to call him out. It’s certainly no less ethical to call out a cheater than it is to cheat. It’s a game within a game, Spy vs. Spy. Maddon wants his pitcher to try to get an edge, (don’t tell me Maddon didn’t know about it) so Johnson has the right to beat him to the punch.

    Furthermore, when I hear Maddon say something like “everybody does it”, well, that’s what a child says when he gets caught doing wrong.

  15. mudhead123 - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:19 PM

    The rays got busted for cheating and Maddon confirmed he was well aware of it. Crazy how the Rays get all this support for cheating

    • drewsylvania - Jun 20, 2012 at 8:34 PM

      Cheating is fine as long as you never took steroids #stupidnarrative

  16. tomtravis76 - Jun 20, 2012 at 9:13 PM

    He wont be marked as a cheater for his career, nobody will even remember by the end of the season. He skirted the rules and got busted. Its over and everyone moves on.

    • natslady - Jun 21, 2012 at 7:07 AM

      So true. Peralta pitched last night without incident, and pitched quite well. No one will remember it until the next one, they google city. Nats players were all up huggin’ Peralta before the game. Strasburg, however, when ask if he was worried about a glove inspection said, “No. I don’t cheat.”

  17. onegamedoesnotaseasonmake - Jun 20, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    but Lt. Dangle will know it…

  18. beefizzlez - Jun 20, 2012 at 11:14 PM

    what’s that sh*t on your chest… crisco, bardol, vagisil any one of em will give ya another two to three inches drop on ya curveball, of course if the imo should be watching me close. get a lil jalepeno put in my nose get it running wipe the ball… you put ably on the ball? … I haven’t got an ARM like yours someday you will to

  19. ltzep75 - Jun 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM

    With all these folks staunchly defending the Rays, it’s a wonder their stadium is so empty.

  20. chumthumper - Jun 21, 2012 at 9:45 AM

    I forget, is calling someone a “wuss” or being “cowardly” old school? I think they both should just shut it up.-

  21. toosano - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    Weird Wuss. Classic!

  22. psousa1 - Jun 21, 2012 at 12:51 PM


    He has reinvented baseball! Just ask him (or Tom Verducci).

    So tired of his whining.

  23. mojosmagic - Jun 21, 2012 at 1:16 PM

    Madden thinks he is the moral compass of MLB. I think not. I am not a fan of either team but Madden says keep it all in house then doesn’t stop talking to the press? Advice to Joe; STFU

  24. Jennie Oemig - Jun 24, 2012 at 1:34 PM

    This little war of words was inevitable considering how things went down. Maddon definitely has the right to be pissed, though!

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