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David Ortiz: “Playing here used to be fun … it’s starting to become the s***hole it used to be”

Jun 21, 2012, 5:03 PM EST

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There hasn’t been any huge drama in Red Sox land in, like, hours, so David Ortiz went off on a big anti-media rant in the clubhouse before today’s game.

CSNNE.com has the details (and video), starting with Ortiz being asked if he was having fun this season:

Not really. Too much s***, man. People need to leave us alone and let us play baseball. It’s starting to become the s***hole it used to be. Playing here used to be so much fun. Now, every day is something new, not related to baseball. People need to leave us alone. Every day is something new, some drama, some more s***. I’m tired of that, man. I’m here to play baseball, man.

Well then.

For much of this week multiple Red Sox players, including Ortiz, have denied various reports that the clubhouse environment has turned toxic.

His comments aren’t likely to go over well with fans or the media, but it’s easy to see why Ortiz is frustrated. Not only are the Red Sox above .500 despite an ugly 4-10 start, going 31-23 since then, but he’s hitting .313 with 18 homers and a 1.012 OPS in 68 games for his best production since 2007. He’s playing amazingly well, the team is on a 93-win pace since a terrible first two weeks despite an incredible number of key injuries, and all anyone wants to talk about are off-field issues, real or imagined.

(For a lot more on the entire situation, read Sean McAdam’s full write-up here.)

  1. Will Rodeffer - Jun 21, 2012 at 5:07 PM

    Cool, so now Ortiz is probably going to get run out of town too.

    • captainwisdom8888 - Jun 21, 2012 at 8:03 PM

      the media blows everything outta proportion. all the time. they have made it now so the men watch sportscenter for the highlights and analysis while women watch it for the drama and BS.

      I HATE THE MEDIA

      • number42is1 - Jun 21, 2012 at 8:56 PM

        NSFW!

      • number42is1 - Jun 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM

        Sorry… forgot to say… skip to 3:41

    • pensfan603 - Jun 22, 2012 at 7:05 AM

      most of the media love what ortiz is doing.. trying to show up larry lucino and the organization.

  2. petey1999 - Jun 21, 2012 at 5:10 PM

    Ortiz is an emotional guy and tends to overstatement. He’s right about this, though. When you’ve got know-nothings like Buster Olney taking shots at a team that has arguably over-achieved this year, it’s time to stop the craziness.

    • ras1tafari - Jun 21, 2012 at 6:59 PM

      I think you’re right. At first I was really pissed off, b/c it sounds so disingenuous to say “leave us alone and let us play ball” when you say it to fans, but he’s not saying it to fans – it’s to the media.

      • pensfan603 - Jun 22, 2012 at 7:09 AM

        if you hear the whole interview, he actually says in it that he is talking about the media, directly in it and i think more or less talking about nesn talking about him using steriods.. see normally nesn never says anything bad about the red soxs because they are owned by john henry and the team.

    • pensfan603 - Jun 22, 2012 at 7:07 AM

      over achieve what are you smoking second highest payroll in the league that says everything, the pitching staff has sucked, the hitters have sucked, the only people who have been good are fill in out fields and young players.. and if you didnt know thats because of bobby valentine, this team has alot of work to do. This team has not over achieve in the least bit they are probably the biggest under achievers in the league.

      • dchillin - Jun 22, 2012 at 10:35 AM

        Shut up pens fan. PENS SUCK!!! Sydney’s a bitch and your city is also a SH*T Hole… GO CAPS

  3. rj88888 - Jun 21, 2012 at 5:12 PM

    Cracking down on beer and chicken wings in the clubhouse during games has the Red Sox in a sour mood

    • Chip Caray's Eyebrows - Jun 22, 2012 at 12:04 AM

      “Hey, that’s a really clever, relevant joke you just made right there!”

      –Somebody who just woke up from a seven-month coma.

  4. yahmule - Jun 21, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    Make up your mind, dude. Did it used to be fun or did it used to be a s***hole?
    :)

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jun 21, 2012 at 6:32 PM

      Perhaps he prefers to have his fun in a s***hole. Then it can be both!

    • badintent - Jun 21, 2012 at 7:59 PM

      Boston always been sh*thole for black players, just ask Jim Rice. Don’t worry baby Ortiz, come to the Yankees. We’ll give you a big diaper and a nice passifor. And Gerber for game snack time too. Just DH and NY will win the East, beat Texas and destroy the Mets in the Subway series.And you can hang with A-Rod and tell him about Man Ram roiding.Sucker MC

      • deathmonkey41 - Jun 21, 2012 at 8:11 PM

        Ortiz is black? Has another told him that?

      • farvefromover - Jun 21, 2012 at 9:47 PM

        That was f&cking stupid

      • deadeyedesign23 - Jun 21, 2012 at 10:29 PM

        Jesus man go to the NY Public Library and get a Goddamn book. “passifor” you ignorant dickwad.

    • Chip Caray's Eyebrows - Jun 22, 2012 at 12:05 AM

      I thought it was pretty clear he meant it was a shithole before it was fun, and now it’s a shithole again.

      • yahmule - Jun 22, 2012 at 8:58 AM

        I’ve never known David Ortiz to say anything very clearly. He sounds like a s*** salesman with a mouthful of samples to me.

  5. okwhitefalcon - Jun 21, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    Welcome to life with Bobby V Papi, who in their right mind didn’t see this coming?

    • 1overmind - Jun 21, 2012 at 5:23 PM

      Do you not realize that all the negativity and drama started in September under Tito’s leadership… when Bobby V had nothing to do with the Red Sox? Its obvious by his comments that he’s talking about the Boston media and not his teammates or manager.

      • pensfan603 - Jun 22, 2012 at 7:13 AM

        the negative drama has never stoped he talks about havign to keep proving him self in the interview and how this is the last season he is going to have to prove him self

    • Jack Marshall - Jun 21, 2012 at 5:30 PM

      How is this Bobby V’s fault? It’s life with the jerks of the keyboard who have it in for a manager who’s smarter than they are, not that there aren’t also rosin bags that qualify.

      • okwhitefalcon - Jun 21, 2012 at 5:40 PM

        I didn’t say it was Bobby V’s fault, just eluded to the notion this sort of thing shouldn’t have been unexpected.

        Throwing a drama king into an already mellow dramatic situation probably wasn’t the smartest move, gas on a fire if you will.

      • mornelithe - Jun 21, 2012 at 6:10 PM

        Agree 100% Jack, the problems on this team started long before Bobby V ever came to town. The media and many doomsayers have spent a good chunk of the season scrutinizing him, like somehow it was all his fault, the same way they did with Francona. Guess what, it’s not the manager, it’s some of the players. Ortiz definitely not included in that though, he’s earning every bit of his paycheck.

      • okwhitefalcon - Jun 21, 2012 at 8:19 PM

        Of course the problems were there long before Bobby V got there, no arguing that.

        I’m just not sure adding another biohazard to a toxic waste dump is the answer to clean up.

      • pensfan603 - Jun 22, 2012 at 7:19 AM

        it is the oposite bobby v is keeping this team afloat, think about it what type of players is bobby know for being best with hyoung guys hes known for being a great motivator, and look who has been good on the red soxs dubront, aviles, sweeney, ross, saltalamachi to some extent, and all the out fielders they have brought up its the veterans who are bad, they need to step there game up. If you look at the whole thing its really a problem with ownership in Larry Lucino and John Henry. Theo Epstien talked abotu in an interview “the monster” that he fell into talking abotu signings like john lakey and agon where he was told by ownership they were good for ratings that henry wanted boosted. He did say it is he had the final decision but people like larry and john were trying to influence him to make the large signings

        also interesting fact since the begining of last september the red soxs and cubs have nearly the same record i think red soxs are one or two games over but its the point

    • djpostl - Jun 21, 2012 at 8:46 PM

      Exactly, shit was already chaotic but bringing in Bobby “Me” was like throwing gasoline on a dumpster fire

      • okwhitefalcon - Jun 21, 2012 at 8:59 PM

        There’s a reason noboby in MLB (beyond ESPN, cough..cough) wanted anything to do with Booby V for the better part of a decade, not sure why the hell an orgainization in meltdown mode took a flyer..

  6. Cyn - Jun 21, 2012 at 5:15 PM

    “For much of this week multiple Red Sox players, including Ortiz, have denied various reports that the clubhouse environment has turned toxic.

    His comments aren’t likely to go over well with fans or the media…”

    His comments had nothing to do with his teammates or his fans…just the media. Just about every one of them acts like they’re auditioning for a job on TMZ these days. Most fans, if you go by the Internet, seem to know exactly what he’s saying. It’s the media that doesn’t like it and will try to twist it into something negative against his teammates or the fans.

    The team is playing well, so this is the perfect time for the media to get all butt hurt and try to start something. It isn’t like Red Sox fans haven’t seen this many times before.

    • proudlycanadian - Jun 21, 2012 at 5:30 PM

      Whenever I read the Boston media, I am amazed by the negativity. “Who is to blame” seems to be almost an everyday topic.

      • sabatimus - Jun 21, 2012 at 6:32 PM

        Very true. I do hear that a lot on the radio. It’s like they’re trying to sow dissension in the clubhouse–the dissension they purport not to want.

      • 18thstreet - Jun 21, 2012 at 9:32 PM

        I don’t want to defend the Boston media, but looking for who to blame when things are going poorly is called “accountability.” I think it’s the appropriate role for the media.

        Where the Boston media goes awry is they often blame the wrong people. LOOKING for who to blame? I’m good with that.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jun 22, 2012 at 4:56 AM

        Amazed? Proudly, have you never heard the Toronto or Montreal media talk about their hockey teams? The sports media in any big town is the same….pathetic lowlives trying to make themselves a bigger story than the team they cover.

        I bet if I asked Ortiz everyday if playing .500 ball is “fun” I could elicit the same response as this so-called reporter guy did. Only difference is for some reason he gets paid to do it.

    • offseasonblues - Jun 21, 2012 at 5:55 PM

      Spot on, Cyn. His comments went over just fine with this fan.

  7. crispybasil - Jun 21, 2012 at 5:17 PM

    The Boston (and ESPN) Media has been at its best in manufacturing drama and constantly asking about clubhouse chemistry (which is just so damn important to them for some reason, even though it doesn’t win games). The team knows that it’s under a bigger microscope than usual, especially considering last year’s meltdown, but damn, let them play. I’m with Ortiz on this one.

    • Francisco (FC) - Jun 21, 2012 at 5:34 PM

      Clubhouse Chemistry… did someone bring a nice set into the dugout to do some nice potassium experiments? I used to have a cool Chemistry set. It’s super fun to watch mercury actually spread over gold like water (A surface made out of Gold is one of the few mercury will spread over and wet instead of staying together like small beads or pools).

      Maybe they can manufacture some Smilex and send it to the Boston Media…

      • badintent - Jun 21, 2012 at 8:03 PM

        The real chemistry is the crystal meth they be cooking in the clubhouse, after Beer was banned. Or is it the blender, with the Prozac and tequila for Lester ? Call Mark Terixea, he’ll send you some nice Juice Boost from his stores in NYC. God knows you Sox losers could use a gallon of it Stay classy, Beanheads, you make Philly fans look like Tim Tebow.

      • 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jun 22, 2012 at 5:11 AM

        You make Forrest Gump look like Einstein on Aderall.

  8. petey1999 - Jun 21, 2012 at 5:24 PM

    Aaron, if you’re going to use a quote from somewhere else, how about if you represent it accurately? You cherry-picked pieces from a much longer, and more nuanced, quote and stitched them together to make it more more dramatic. That makes you part of the problem.

  9. Jack Marshall - Jun 21, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    Good read, Aaron. The sports-sniping in Boston has been relentless and almost amazingly wrong. Pete Abraham and Cafardo slammed the team for putting Aviles at short, and he’s been terrific. They accused the team of having sub-par talent in the pen, and once the roles settled in, it’s been a strength. Abraham kept writing that the team was stocked with “replacement level players” like Doubront, Nava, Shoppach, Ross, Sweeney…essentially all the players who have kept the team afloat while losing an MVP-level centerfielder, their closer, and a whole team of outfielders. It seems that the writers took last season’s late collapse as a personal insult, and are hell bent on revenge. If they had any valid observations, one could tolerate the negativity, but really, with just a few exceptions, they are just looking for trouble.

    • proudlycanadian - Jun 21, 2012 at 5:32 PM

      Based on what I have seen in the Boston media, you have nailed it Jack!

    • sabatimus - Jun 21, 2012 at 6:28 PM

      I think prognosticating and then being wrong is one thing, as Cafardo was doing. Aviles was never expected to be a good defense shortstop by ANYONE, but he is so far. And without the benefit of hindsight, I think believing, before the season, that Doubront and Shoppach and perhaps others are replacement-level–because of all the injuries (Crawford, Ellsbury, Beckett, Daisuke, on and on). But yes, they are achieving quite well on the whole.

      Your point about the negativity is well-taken, and I don’t listen to Abraham or Cafardo at all. A big issue is the “bait” questions that try to dig up dirt. When posed with one, Bryce Harper simply said his now famous “clown question” thing, but Ortiz isn’t like that. He gets angry, and justifiably so.

      • Jack Marshall - Jun 21, 2012 at 6:45 PM

        Yes, it’s fair to say that Ortiz is not the problem, if there really is a problem. Boston writers can turn on a dime—I asked Abraham on Twitter why he was once saying that Albers, Padilla, Shoppach, Podsednik, Nava et al. were bums who showed that the team had cheaped out and didn’t have enough depth, and now he was writing how they were the backbone of the team. His answer: “Because now the team is playing better.” That’s analysis? “Team play good—players good. Team play bad—players bad.” I think a 4-year-old could come up with that.

    • bbil2012 - Jun 21, 2012 at 6:38 PM

      One of the guys with valid observations,Lou Merloni, is becoming one of the snipers. Damn shame because the guy knows baseball. The viciousness of the WEEI crew is cancerous.

  10. billymc75 - Jun 21, 2012 at 5:30 PM

    This guy was prob one of the reason a great coach got ran out of town

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 21, 2012 at 6:42 PM

      David Ortiz:

      ’11 – .309/.398/.554 – 155 OPS+
      Sept ’11 – .287/.396/.372, 17 BB, 17 K

      Pretty much hit exactly the same in Sept as he did overall, except for the lack of power. So yeah, he was definitely part of the problem last year

      /sarcasm off

      • djpostl - Jun 21, 2012 at 8:48 PM

        You do know he can impact the coach staying in other ways right? The stats on the field aren’t the only way he comes into the picture.

        /sarcasm off

      • Kevin S. - Jun 21, 2012 at 9:08 PM

        You do realize that Francona was run out of town because of the September collapse, and the rest was just bullshit excuse-making for why they decided to scapegoat arguably the most successful manager in franchise history?

  11. SteelyMcBeam6 - Jun 21, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    Team will be fine when they can get healthy and might be able to make a run at a wild card spot. Go sox!

  12. patsandsox - Jun 21, 2012 at 5:33 PM

    The media doesnt care about getting the correct story, just fabricating a story that will get lots of reads on thier crappy internet blogs they write in mommys basement. All these stories are fiction, and that is what Papi is mad about.

    The Boston sportswriters like Bob Ryan and Dan Shaughnessy that think they are the story write their crap and have spawned more of these hacks to hound players in Beantown. I avoid anything those clowns write

    • sabatimus - Jun 21, 2012 at 6:19 PM

      Shaughnessy is the absolute worst. Only one I have any real respect for is Jackie MacMullan.

  13. congocash - Jun 21, 2012 at 5:46 PM

    Hey guys, can you just shut up and let me type….

  14. thrstr - Jun 21, 2012 at 5:58 PM

    poor Big Poopy, poor Saux fans, – cryin in my beer . . .

  15. sabatimus - Jun 21, 2012 at 6:07 PM

    Ortiz is, of course, correct. Boston media is generally comprised of vulturing drama queens. But the problem here is that Ortiz is adding to it by saying this. I get that he’s an emotional guy, but this doesn’t help him or his team.

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jun 21, 2012 at 6:34 PM

      If this were his first year in Boston I could understand the frustration. He is the one who accepted arbitration to get every last one of his dollars, and now he is living with that choice. Maybe the Sox should trade him instead of Youk, and make Youk the DH. Let him hit in Seattle for a few months.

  16. Joe - Jun 21, 2012 at 6:22 PM

    I bet Dan Shaughnessey totally ignores this. That’ll show ‘im!

  17. dawglb - Jun 21, 2012 at 6:46 PM

    I know, it must suck to play baseball for millions of dollars….

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 21, 2012 at 7:03 PM

      So being paid millions means he has to deal with the endless stupidity and problem causing of the local media? How does that work out logically?

      • djpostl - Jun 21, 2012 at 8:50 PM

        Man you can taze me for 8 hours a day for the money he gets so he can deal with some annoying reporters without freakin cryin’ about it every three days.

  18. madhatternalice - Jun 21, 2012 at 7:45 PM

    This is ridiculous, and only getting ink because it’s the Red Sox.

    Every team has media detractors, who get paid to write. When there isn’t drama, media writers invent drama, or exploit a tiny story into something bigger. Writers don’t get paid if they don’t write, and stories about “problems” always draw more page views than stories about how good things are.

  19. badintent - Jun 21, 2012 at 8:09 PM

    Can we get a huge earthquake in Greenland, causing a massive tsunami to wipe out Fenway park once and for all ? Someone call Trump, get this done ! IN other news Kim K was seen doing a tag team with Hazel Mae in the clubhouse smoking cigars.

  20. jmmsr1 - Jun 21, 2012 at 8:26 PM

    Sounds awfully familiar with the village idiot’s other teams. Welcome to Bobby V’s world

  21. ejannetta - Jun 21, 2012 at 9:01 PM

    Boo ! Hoo!….Ortiz is whinning again….DH who can’t even play the field. Maybe he should
    stick another needle in his a$$,

  22. dirtyharry1971 - Jun 21, 2012 at 9:32 PM

    got bad news for big potbelly, boston was always a sh__hole and it always will be one and if the fans had it their way it will always stay that way cause they love that smell

  23. randygnyc - Jun 21, 2012 at 9:49 PM

    Fenway Park, or Boston in general, will be forever now referred to as “the shithole”. If Sox fans have no problem with what papi said, you’ll have no problem with the name.

  24. chill1184 - Jun 21, 2012 at 10:08 PM

    A couple of things

    1. This didn’t just start with Bobby V, this was happening during the collapse of last season but the vultures in the media tried to keep it under the rugs until it your down so they can kick you while your down.

    2. Yea the Boston media is full of douchebags but it’s not much better in NY, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Philly or LA either. Like the Federal Government the sports media is full of scum

    3. The media is NOT your friend, Ortiz would’ve been better keeping quiet or at the very least saying as little as possible.

  25. dawglb - Jun 21, 2012 at 11:24 PM

    @churchof…. Yes. Being paid millions upon millions to play baseball, you should remember what we all learned in kindergarten, “Sticks and stones may break our bones, but words will never harm me.” Some of these athletes take themselves too seriously. The media members make $35,000-$100,000 a year…..

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 22, 2012 at 10:21 AM

      There’s a huge difference between calling someone a childish name, things we did when we were 5 years old, and having to deal with a collective media that writes inflammatory, often falsely incorrect, information to pump up their readership.

      This column* states is far better than I could. Why does Ortiz need to remind people that this is baseball, not a Congressional hearing. It’s supposed to be fun, but if you are a player for the Sox (or the Yanks/Mets) you often have to deal with a media that loves to wear on your soul, day in and day out.

      Yesterday, David Ortiz called the Boston media out for being complete failures. Today, and probably for the next several days, that media will spend its every waking minute firing back. And with every outraged column declaring Papi ungrateful, angry, and out of line, they will be proving his point.

      *http://www.overthemonster.com/2012/6/22/3109163/too-much-s

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