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Pettitte, Sabathia down. Now what do the Yankees do?

Jun 27, 2012, 4:52 PM EDT


The Yankees placed CC Sabathia on the disabled list this morning and this afternoon the lost Andy Pettitte for six weeks with a broken ankle. What are the options here, people?

Well, certainly Freddy Garcia gets starts until the big man is back. That’s a given. For now the solution for the other vacancy in the rotation is to call up Adam Warren, who has a 3.86 ERA and a meh-like, 59/27 K/BB ratio in 86 and a third innings at Scranton. If one or both of those guys do well — and assuming Sabathia’s injury is not serious, the Yankees probably don’t change their plans for the trade deadline.

But if one or both falter, the Yankees would certainly be on the hunt for a starting pitcher. Heck, they may have been anyway, but the search will be more pressing then. In that case you have to figure that the Cubs will be dangling Matt Garza and Ryan Dempster at them.  Other starters on the market Wandy Rodriguez. Likely Zack Greinke if he can’t reach a deal with Milwaukee. A sexy longshot possibility: Cole Hamels, but I wouldn’t count on that even if it’s fun to.

But really, I’m struggling to think of the last time the Yankees made a big splash at the break, even when they’ve had injury needs.  They’ve won five in a row. Phil Hughes just had a really good start. Garcia’s overall numbers are not stellar, but he’s pitched much better recently than he did earlier in the season.

As a team, they look pretty strong even with the injuries. I don’t think they’ll make some panic move, nor do I think they should.

  1. proudlycanadian - Jun 27, 2012 at 4:59 PM

    Based on his comments about the Jays, a certain Yankee fan and HBT poster (lets call him Randy) would probably demand that the Yankees hire a new strength and conditioning coach.

    • proudlycanadian - Jun 27, 2012 at 5:10 PM

      Lets not forget that the Yankees also lost a future HOF closer. If Randy’s logic is to believed, it must be the fault of either the coaches or management.

  2. bradtoughy - Jun 27, 2012 at 5:01 PM

    This is why the Yankees did not cut Freddy Garcia when they dropped him from the rotation, even though plenty of people wanted him gone. SP depth is invaluable and can disappear very quickly.

  3. The Dangerous Mabry - Jun 27, 2012 at 5:06 PM

    Well, now that Clemens isn’t going to jail, maybe they should give him a ring. It always seemed to work in the past, and if Pettite can do it…

    • protectthishouse54 - Jun 27, 2012 at 6:59 PM

      Suzyn Waldman just creamed her pants.

      • drewzducks - Jun 27, 2012 at 9:16 PM

        Oh my goodness gracious.

  4. Francisco (FC) - Jun 27, 2012 at 5:10 PM

    Who would have the Yankees would be searching for more SP now after just acquiring new pieces in the off season?

  5. jfk69 - Jun 27, 2012 at 5:20 PM

    CC was only going to miss two turns in the rotation and very conveniently this coincides with the All Star break.
    Pettittes loss is a bigger problem. No panic as we try Garcia again and call on Warren and maybe Phelps as well. Forget the two killer bees that are left. This year they have regressed to the point that they might not even be trade able.
    Out of the names above Hamels is too expensive and the rest i consider no better than Garcia with the exception of Greinke. Of course that depends on if he thinks he can pitch in New York and has his anxiety issue cleared up. From what i have seen. I believe he has. The asking price might be too high as teams smell blood in the water.
    If i was the Yankees i would call on the Mets on a lark as ask the cost for Dicky. They have plenty of holes and nothing else to trade. Who knows? Maybe we eat Bays contract for them. i still think he can play…just not for the Mets. Gardner might be more serious than we are led the believe.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 27, 2012 at 5:48 PM

      Bay has a full NTC with two years left and an option for a third, no thanks. Mets won’t trade Dickey for anything, considering he’s a front runner for the CY right now, costs them $4.25M total this year with an option for $5M (Club) next year.

      Also, the asking price for Greinke/Hamels will be far too much, especially since the Yanks wouldn’t get a draft pick if they walk at the end of the year.

    • Kevin S. - Jun 27, 2012 at 9:33 PM

      You consider Wandy, Garza and Dempster no better than Garcia? Put down the crack pipe, buddy.

      Church, Bay actually wouldn’t be that bad, since there’s virtually no way they Yankees would allow that option to vest. They’d make him the short half of a DH platoon, and there’s no way he could complain about that, given his performance. If the Mets also make it clear that they’re platooning him, he might be a little more willing to waive the NTC to at least platoon for a contender. I guess the only question would be how the Luxury Tax handles his 2014 buyout. I know it’s AAV, but would it be the AAV of 2010-13 or 2010-14? If the former, I’d have no problems. The latter, and the Yankees want no part of a deal adding $13 million to their LT bill in 2014.

  6. randygnyc - Jun 27, 2012 at 5:23 PM

    Pettitte, sabathia, Gardner, joba, Pineda, and Mariano rivera, all hurt. Still, even with these front line players down, some for all of the season, the Yankees are presently the best team in baseball. I expected something to happen because at the current pace with the offense showing some signs of waking up, the Yankees would be 50 games over before it’s over.

    Cashman just had an extensive press conference. He said they’ll stay in house for now. I’d be surprised if they don’t give a good look at Garza, Lee, Hammels etc.

    Some bad luck with Andy. CC will be back shortly. Yankees not looking for pity. They’ll manage, blue jays are finished. Rays don’t have pitching or offense. Orioles will be 20 back and will finish around .500. I expect the red sox to be the yanks only AL east competition this year.

    • proudlycanadian - Jun 27, 2012 at 5:50 PM

      Are you sure that the Yankees do not need a new strength and conditioning coach? That seem to be your standard response whe a team has several pitchers injured in a season.

    • madhatternalice - Jun 27, 2012 at 6:00 PM

      I started to list all of the things wrong with your comment, but I’m afraid I wouldn’t be finished before dinner. In two hours.

      Keep your pie eyes in the sky if you actually believe any team, much less the Yankess, will win 112 games this year. The rest of us will live in reality.

    • madhatternalice - Jun 27, 2012 at 6:00 PM

      I started to list all of the things wrong with your comment, but I’m afraid I wouldn’t be finished before dinner. In two hours.

      Keep your pie eyes in the sky if you actually believe any team, much less the Yankees, will win 112 games this year. The rest of us will live in reality.

    • Jack Marshall - Jun 27, 2012 at 6:04 PM

      I think this is spot on. I have been wondering when Sabathia’s weight would start him breaking down, so the Yankees need to be careful. I’d guess that the distance between NY and Boston could be down to about 3.5 games by the break, and the Red Sox are getting healthier and younger. Could be fun race after all.

    • xavier46 - Jun 28, 2012 at 1:38 AM

      You are delusional to even hint that the Yankees have suffered anywhere near the most injuries in MLB. As of now, the Yanks have lost a total of zero games between CC and Andy. Joba hasn’t been effective since??? Ellsbury is miles above Gardner. Mo is a legit injury – but to this point, has not effected them too much, however it may well do so by the end of the year. You don’t even have to look outside their division to find a team that has dealt with far more injuries in the Sox.

      They are looking at getting back Ellsbury and Crawford in the OF. Bailey to finally have a closer. Shifting Alfredo back to LR role. Not to mention if/when (a big IF) lester, bucholz, and beckett round into form. I won’t mention Lackey / Dice-K as it probably benefitted the Sox by having them on the shelf. That’s a scary team sitting 6.5 games back at the end of June.

      The Yanks just have to plug along and hope CC returns quickly. If they falter at the same time the Sox get healthy, things could change quickly.

  7. dluxxx - Jun 27, 2012 at 5:25 PM

    Francisco Liriano for the Yankees whole minor league system. All of them.

    Sorry, did that sound too Yankees fanish of me?

    I take that back. I’m not sorry.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 27, 2012 at 5:31 PM

      Not good enough. Should have asked for Mariano Rivera’s DNA, Cano + Gardner + Granderson and a bucket of Jeter balls.

      • proudlycanadian - Jun 27, 2012 at 5:54 PM

        Cano and Granderson are the only position players that other teams would want in trade. The other Yankee position players are old and tend to be very well paid. The B & B boys who were the flavor of the day last season have turned into pumpkins. Trading for decent pitching help is going to be difficult.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 27, 2012 at 6:01 PM

        It was more of a joke on the absurdity of some Yankee fans who think they can trade a bag of balls for Kershaw + Kemp, or Felix + Montero + something.

      • djpostl - Jun 27, 2012 at 10:13 PM

        “It was more of a joke on the absurdity of some Yankee fans who think they can trade a bag of balls for Kershaw + Kemp, or Felix + Montero + something.” You have to go to Bleacher Report for that kind of stuff…and it’s written by their “featured writers”

  8. WhenMattStairsIsKing - Jun 27, 2012 at 5:28 PM

    I bet they miss Ian Kennedy now, eh? Poor Cashman – he knew Ian would be a star.

    • Kevin S. - Jun 27, 2012 at 9:39 PM

      Granderson’s 11.6 fWAR (despite a suspiciously-low defensive rating this year – I’d have him closer to a -5 CF than the -30 he’s on pace for) mean they don’t. Sorry, the Yanks got more than fair value in that trade.

    • djpostl - Jun 27, 2012 at 10:16 PM

      I am guessing you haven’t seen Ian pitch this year lol.

      An ERA around 4.5 playing in that division full of craptastic offenses lol.

      Last year he got 14 starts versus teams in the bottom 6 offensively (in all of MLB) and the regression some people expected has presented itself so far this year.

      Star + Ian Kennedy do not go together.

  9. lazlosother - Jun 27, 2012 at 5:30 PM

    I think they’ll hold off for now and see who the sellers are at the deadline, if they need to.

  10. goawaydog - Jun 27, 2012 at 5:34 PM

    Grienke (sp?) price just went up.

  11. jfk69 - Jun 27, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    I am not worried about the AL EAST. I am concerned with getting to the WS.
    That means getting past Texas or the Angels. I don’t want some patchwork starting pitchers facing the Texas lineup. With that in mind…I am not averse to renting a quality pitcher for half a season. If the cost is right With a 200 million dollar payroll and anything less than making the WS is a failure.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 27, 2012 at 5:41 PM

      If you are worried about the WS/ALCS, then why do the Yanks need to make a move since CC will be back by the ASB and Pettitte in 6 weeks?

      If the cost is right With a 200 million dollar payroll and anything less than making the WS is a failure.

      This is also why people hate us, because us Yankee fans come off like assholes when we say this.

      • jfk69 - Jun 28, 2012 at 5:00 PM

        I could care less who hates us. I would rather be feared and a winner than loved and a loveable loser…See Mets and host of other teams in sports.,,EXCEPT OAKLAND A’S
        Regarding 200 million payroll.
        The Yankees did not set the playing field or rules. If i spend 200k for a car you bet i will insure it. Unlike you..who would try to save a few bucks and then then total the car and woinder why you just lost 200k.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 28, 2012 at 7:00 PM

        I would rather be feared and a winner than loved and a loveable loser

        So what position do you play? Because no one “fears” anyone in baseball, let alone someone on the internet…

        Unlike you..who would try to save a few bucks and then then total the car and woinder why you just lost 200k.

        wtf does this mean? Where do you get this from?

    • steelersfan1983 - Jun 27, 2012 at 5:51 PM

      Well put jfk. I hope they look toward Garza!

  12. uyf1950 - Jun 27, 2012 at 5:46 PM

    “What do the Yankees do”? They do what they always do they take it in stride and they keep on winning.

  13. mianfr - Jun 27, 2012 at 5:48 PM

    Why does it seem like every team “loaded with SP depth” manages a way to burn through it? Look at the Yankees and Blue Jays this year, Red Sox last year, etc.

    Anyway, this could become quite a predicament. Thankfully the Yankees have been unbelievably good lately, which will ease the inevitable rough patch ahead, but we’re kind of out of prospects that would net us a mildly interesting starter, unless a team wanted a bunch of lower league guys with potential.

    Hopefully CC only misses the two.

  14. supersnappy - Jun 27, 2012 at 6:13 PM

    One thing’s for sure, they don’t sign Jamie Moyer! He’s all ours, Yankees!

  15. allbucdup - Jun 27, 2012 at 6:30 PM

    Trade Montero for Pineda….oh wait…

  16. djammer - Jun 27, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    WhenMattStairsisking — Ian Kennedy is not a star. He is 5-7 with a 4.42 ERA in the NL West with a 1.345 WHIP. His fip and xfip numbers are a bit better than that, but not a lot. He is a pretty extreme fly-ball pitcher. His ERA in the AL East with half his games in Yankee Stadium would be 5.50 with HRs leaving the stadium twice a game. He had a great year last year that has proven to be an anomaly for whatever reason.
    Proudly Canadian — They have tons of resources to trade. When you are a perenial contender, you don’t trade starting players on your team at the deadline, you trade minor league prospects for additional players on other teams. The Yanks’ farm system is LOADED. Gary Sanchez, Mason Williams, Tyler Austin, Manny Banuelos, Dellin Betances, Adam Warren, DJ Mitchell, David Phelps, Dante Bichette Jr., etc. Yes Banuelos and Betances’ values are down, but teams want them for potential. The Phillies want those cost controlled prospects for Cole Hamels, because he’s expensive and leaving and they are cheap and staying. Same with Milwaukee and Greinke.
    I could see the Yanks trade for either of them to step in as a #1 now, #2 after CC is back and in the playoffs. A #1 and #2 like CC and Greinke in the playoffs with the Yanks’ offense would be pretty tough to beat in any length series.
    Or the Yanks could sit back with the best record in baseball and wait for CC and Pettitte to get back and by that time, they’ll still likely have the best record in baseball the way they are currently playing.
    The Yanks DL players this year (CC, Pineda, Pettitte, Mariano Rivera, Dave Robertson, Joba Chamberlain, and Brett Gardener) could add college players at every other position and still likely win the NL or AL Central. I kid, of course, but not by much!

    • proudlycanadian - Jun 27, 2012 at 8:09 PM

      All teams have prospects. Most of them fail to become productive major leaguers. You have more information on the Yankees farm system than I have; however, based on what I have read and seen in the past several years, most Yankee prospects seem to be over rated by the NY media. Cano is the only one who has impressed me in the big leagues.

      • Kevin S. - Jun 27, 2012 at 9:43 PM

        It’s not just the NY media that likes the Yanks farm system. Law, Goldstein and Callis all had them in the 10ish area. They’re not Tampa or KC of recent years, but it’s a solid system.

      • proudlycanadian - Jun 27, 2012 at 9:53 PM

        10 out of 30? Not bad, but are there many prospects that other teams strongly covet? How many could be traded without denuding the farm as Jeter and friends are getting old.

        I did exaggerate when I wrote that Cano was the only former Yankee prospect that impressed me. Jackson has played well in Detroit and Montero has upside, but probably not as much upside as indicated by the initial hype.

      • badintent - Jun 27, 2012 at 11:58 PM

        Stick to hockey Eh ? Montreal had such a great time with baseball fans, not.
        In other news , RIM owner goes bankrupt, Hamilton no NHL hockey team ! Choke on it Molson Mooseheads.The American Stanley Cup, has a nice ring to it , EH ?

    • xavier46 - Jun 28, 2012 at 1:44 AM

      This is precisely why the rest of the world hates most Yankee fans. I feel sorry for the modest fans that you blanket with your delusion.

  17. jt2663 - Jun 27, 2012 at 8:23 PM

    I think the yanks need to make a move here. The Red Sox have hung around and half their team has been out. Bailey, Bucholz, Ellsbury, Crawford, Matzuzaka, Youkilis, Melancon….the list goes on. What happens when these guys come back? Probably get more injuries I guess. If they don’t though? Middlebrooks is the real deal too.

    • djpostl - Jun 27, 2012 at 10:24 PM

      “Bailey, Bucholz, Ellsbury, Crawford, Matzuzaka, Youkilis, Melancon”

      Talented but ALWAYS hurt (you knew this when you got him), Very Solid, Great, Over-rated, Horrible, Over-The-Hill, Never-Was-Good.

      Cannot even come close to comparing losing best closer ever (Mo), a number 2 starter (Pineda), a great bullpen piece (Joba), best defensive LF in the game by a mile (Gardner), best 8th Inning guy in the game (Robertson), staff ace (CC), one of best post-season pitchers ever (Pettitte), starting RF with high OBP & HRs (Swisher) for anywhere from a few weeks to the majority/all of the season.

      Half the guys the Red Sox “lost” (Crawford, Lackey, Melancon, Dice-K) helped the team by not being around to stink the damn place up any more than it already did.

  18. buffalo65 - Jun 27, 2012 at 8:46 PM

    Cry me a river, jays are down 4 and Romero is pitching like it will soon be 5

  19. buffalo65 - Jun 27, 2012 at 8:51 PM

    Yanks will miss the playoffs this year as their geriatric overpaid team continues to break down….love it!!!

  20. drewzducks - Jun 27, 2012 at 9:30 PM

    Karma’s a bitch. Wise pulls his own weak version of Jeter’s “ouch my arm” and all hell breaks loose. Such a shame.

  21. lax12345 - Jun 27, 2012 at 10:01 PM

    They’ll find a way through and still be one of the best teams in baseball.

  22. jt2663 - Jun 27, 2012 at 10:53 PM

    CC and Petite just got hurt. Let’s see what that does. Pineda had a good few months last year and has sucked since. Gardner vs Ellsbury for missing outfielder…I’d have to go with last years almost MVP. Crawford vs Swisher…nod to Swisher unless Crawford returns to form in which case Crawford. Rivera over Bailey. Joba is equivalent of Bard. Petite great post season pitcher no doubt. Overall yanks have been healthier. Sox had 8 outfielders on DL at same time.

  23. steelersfan1983 - Jun 27, 2012 at 11:00 PM

    WOW talk about over reaction! Just sit back and watch folks….

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