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Yankees demote Dellin Betances from Triple-A to Double-A

Jun 28, 2012, 10:53 AM EDT

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Yankees prospect Dellin Betances had a 3.70 ERA and struck out 142 batters in 126 1/3 innings last season in the minors and ranked 63rd on Baseball America‘s Top 100 prospects list this past winter.

But his rise has suddenly stalled here in 2012.

As first reported by Trentonian beat writer Josh Norris, Betances, 24, was sent from Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre to Double-A Trenton on Wednesday after registering a 6.39 ERA and 1.88 WHIP over 74 2/3 frames in the International League. His strikeout rate has tanked (8.6 K/9) and he’s struggled mightily with his control (69 walks).

The Yanks will hope that the Brooklyn native can get back on track against a lower level of competition.

  1. dan1111 - Jun 28, 2012 at 11:14 AM

    Don’t worry Yankees fans, he’s young for his age.

    • proudlycanadian - Jun 28, 2012 at 11:24 AM

      Are you implying that he is not washed up at the age of 24? Some players are late bloomers; however, a lot of highly touted prospects never pan out.

  2. davebrownspiral - Jun 28, 2012 at 11:15 AM

    Cashman’s “eye for talent” has really been a boon to the farm system (Puts face in hands)

    Betances, 24 years old, quickly becoming another over-hyped and over-valued prospect in same vain as “top prospects” John Ford-Griffin, Andrew Brackman, Humberto Sanchez, Jeff Marquez etc. Not to mention the disasterous (thus far) Montero for Pineda deal. The only decent pitching prospects that have actually come through the Yankees system, Cashman traded (Kennedy, Clippard and I’m sure I’m missing others). Can the Yankees bring in a real GM with some baseball acumen who can develop talent instead of a numbers guy whose only talent seems to be throwing boatloads of money at the best free-agents?

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 28, 2012 at 11:18 AM

      Can you point to one publication that “hyped” Betances? All three major prospect gurus have essentially said the same thing (Klaw, Goldstein, Callis). Here’s a bit from Klaw’s 2012 prospect ranking:

      “But there’s still a strong sentiment among pro scouts that he ends up in the bullpen long-term because of command questions. ”
      “Betances is not a good athlete and struggles to maintain a consistent delivery. ”
      ” He’s 23 now, still not very experienced, but he has size and velocity you can’t teach. The lack of progress and athleticism make a bullpen role more likely than a spot in the top half of a rotation.”

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 28, 2012 at 11:19 AM

      Can the Yankees bring in a real GM with some baseball acumen who can develop talent instead of a numbers guy whose only talent seems to be throwing boatloads of money at the best free-agents?

      Name another GM who has had half the success Cashman has had, even over half the time?

      • sdelmonte - Jun 28, 2012 at 11:29 AM

        Currently? I would put Theo Epstein in the conversation for the glory days of the Sox. But that’s it.

        I say this as a Mets fan: Cashman is the best GM. Yes, he makes mistakes. But fewer than most, and rarely to the utter detriment of his team. There are no Victor Zambranos on his resume. And there are plenty of Bartolo Colons and Russell Martins, not to mention Cano and Granderson and so on. I want him on my team (Yes, I like Alderson a lot. But Brian is the best.)

      • davebrownspiral - Jun 28, 2012 at 11:44 AM

        The ’98, 99′ and 00′ championship teams were already built thanks to Gene Michael. O’Neil, Bernie, Jeter, Pettitte, Rivera, Tino, Cone, Wells etc. were already on the roster when Cashman took over in 1998 (or was it 1997?)

        When you have an unlimited payroll at your disposal and can throw an obscene amount of money at players, you have a huge advantage. At the very least it guarantees your team a playoff spot, which is what the Yanks have done. However, even with the ridiculous payrolls, the Yanks over the past decade have been poorly constructed, due to the fact they can’t develop their own talent, and the talent they do develop they trade away in awful deals. (Thankfully, Arizona turned down Cano in a deal for Randy Johnson, or that would have been another notch on Cashman’s belt.). Seriously, is it that hard to figure out that CC Sabathia is a stud pitcher, and throw $180 million dollars his way? Or that Mark Teixiera is the premier free agent hitter, so lets’s throw him $170 million? The times Cashman has had his baseball evaluation skills put to the test, it’s been embarassing. Jarret Wright? Kei Igawa? Kevin Brown? The whole Joba debacle?

        Just look at the team now. Yes, first place, but look at the position players. Where is all the young talent coming up the system? A-Rod is 36, Jeter 38, Ibanez 39, Swisher 31, Texiera 32. Who is the best young position prospect the Yanks have? Eduardo Nunez? Who is the best young pitching prospect? Banuelos? Betances (who just got demoted to AA at the age of 24?) They traded away Montero for a overwieght, out of shape slob with a bad shoulder. If you had a GM with some baseball evaluation skill, it would basically be the mid 1990’s all over again. Instead we have Cashman, an overrated GM who has the benefit of a $200 million payroll.

      • bigharold - Jun 28, 2012 at 11:44 AM

        How can you leave out Swisher?? He’s Swishalicous!

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 28, 2012 at 11:49 AM

        Currently? I would put Theo Epstein in the conversation for the glory days of the Sox. But that’s it

        Point being that it seems every 2-3 years, a new GM comes in, makes one or two phenomenal moves, and everyone wants to anoint him as the best GM in the game. Then 2-3 more years pass, that same GM makes some bad moves, and people remember that no one in this game is perfect.

        Cashman has made some great moves, some good ones, some bad and really dumb ones. But so has Epstein (heir #1), so has Jack Z (heir #2), so has Amaro (heir #3) and so has AA. If you are in the game long enough, you will make mistakes. Why other Yankee fans don’t see this is beyond me.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 28, 2012 at 11:56 AM

        The times Cashman has had his baseball evaluation skills put to the test, it’s been embarassing. Jarret Wright? Kei Igawa? Kevin Brown?

        Yes, because if you only look at the bad players he acquired, of course he looks terrible. Why didn’t you mention Mike Mussina? Or what about Jason Giambi? I also noticed you didn’t bring up any of the players Cashman traded for. How David Justice hit 20 HR in 78 games in ’00 and hit .305/.391/.585 for a 145 OPS+? Or Curtis Granderson? Or Nick Swisher? Or how he pulled off the Arod trade and got Texas to pay part of his salary!

        They traded away Montero for a overwieght, out of shape slob with a bad shoulder

        Cool story, not actually true. But okay. Also noticed you left out the rest of the trade. And judging a 5 year deal based on 3 months is smart too.

        The whole Joba debacle?

        What debacle are you talking about? I assume you’ll make a bunch of erroneous comments here regarding how Joba was handled, how he never should have been a starter, etc

      • Jeremy T - Jun 28, 2012 at 1:47 PM

        The Yankees have a few good hitting prospects, they’re just all at the lower levels. Austin Romine and Gary Sanchez are probably the two that are closest to the majors, and they’re not necessarily great, but Slade Heathcott, Mason Williams, and Dante Bichette Jr have all looked pretty promising in A ball.

    • theawesomersfranchise - Jun 28, 2012 at 1:00 PM had him #33 and currently has another Yankee WAY over rated with Banuelos rated #9 of all minor league baseball, which is a MASSIVE “over-ration”.

      If you do not think Betances has been over-rated the past 2 seasons by many, then you have not been looking.

      They were calling them the killer B’s 2 years ago,
      Brackman, Banuelos and Betances.

      It’s only in 2012 (now) that people have finally realized that these guys are nothing special

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 28, 2012 at 4:12 PM

        So if 3 prospect gurus all say one thing, and says another, that makes correct and the others wrong?

      • theawesomersfranchise - Jun 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM

        The guru’s who were saying they are not that impressive 1-2 years ago were in the minority. It’s only recently that the rest started realizing that the minority were correct in their evaluations.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 28, 2012 at 4:59 PM

        Who are these people that are hyping them up? NY media? Bloggers? Who? Here’s another, this is from fangraphs. Betances – 68/100, and his write up:

        Betances comes in at the No. 3 spot, knocked down by a less advanced power pitcher, because he currently projects as a reliever at the big league level. The right-hander has an above-average fastball sitting between 90-95 mph and it features lots of movement, which causes it to miss the strike zone a little too much. His changeup may have passed his breaking ball as his second-best pitch but the curve still shows potential. Like a lot of tall pitchers (6’8” 260 lbs), Betances fights his delivery and that leads to the inconsistent command and control. He spent the majority of 2011 in double-A where he posted a 3.70 FIP (3.42 ERA) in 105.1 innings of work. He also pitched 21 innings in triple-A and 2.2 innings during his debut in The Show. His walk rate increased with each promotion, helping to underscore the need for more seasoning. The soon-to-be 24-year-old pitcher will likely return to triple-A and await an opening in either the starting rotation or, more likely, the bullpen.

      • theawesomersfranchise - Jun 28, 2012 at 7:12 PM

        Guess you missed the part where I couldn’t care less about what they are saying now, and you missed my point about what many were saying 1 and 2 years ago.

        And what part of being the 33rd overall prospect in all of baseball by going into THIS year, isn’t a product of the previous over-hyping I was speaking about.

        Horray someone on Fangraphs was right about him, lately…. I guess the guys at didn’t get the memo and put him #33 anyways.

        But you keep going on your tangent don’t let me stop you.

      • Ari Collins - Jun 28, 2012 at 8:04 PM

        Different sources disagree, and was the only one to place him that high. Naming one source that thought he was a top prospect does not mean he was overhyped, except by that one source (a source which, by the way, hardly anyone in the know pays attention to; BA and BP and Keith Law and John Sickels are much better minor league analysts). The rest of them agreed: he was good, but had a lot to work on.

  3. sdelmonte - Jun 28, 2012 at 11:26 AM

    Not that I think he would have been an option to fill in for Pettitte or anyone else this season, but the timing of this is not the sort of thing that will make Cashman feel any better.

  4. Ari Collins - Jun 28, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    The Yankees’ farm system might be overhyped by the general media, but not by prospect hounds, who were right on about Betances. High upside project who’s probably a late-game reliever is what they said at the start of the season, and the fact that the project isn’t going so well is right in line with his range of outcomes. Pitchers are volatile, which is why when the Killer Bs ranked high, it still came with the caveat that they weren’t all gonna make it.

    The Yankee system isn’t doing so great this year, but they have a few guys who are still very good prospects, if not elite guys. And I just don’t understand those who think the Yankees don’t develop players. Sure, they might trade a bunch of them, but they usually get good value from those trades.


    Those are all guys who are doing will or have done well in the recent past and were developed by Cashman in the last decade.

    • proudlycanadian - Jun 28, 2012 at 1:31 PM

      A good summary Ari. Nice research. Only Cano is a star; however, the others are major leaguers.

      • Ari Collins - Jun 28, 2012 at 1:41 PM

        Thanks! Decent argument for Jackson and Melky and Robertson as stars, if not superstars like Cano, and Wang was a star.

      • proudlycanadian - Jun 28, 2012 at 3:30 PM

        You are probably right. Melky has come into his own the last couple of years away from New York. Jackson is quite good. I was never a fan of Wang.

  5. allbucdup - Jun 28, 2012 at 1:07 PM

    Carl Pavano. Jason Giambi. Period.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jun 28, 2012 at 4:10 PM

      this might post 47 times, and I apologize, but I don’t understand the Giambi hate. During his time in NY he hit:
      .260/.404/.521 for a 143 OPS+ averaging 30 HR and 86 RBI.

      What more did you want?

  6. cackalackyank - Jun 28, 2012 at 4:47 PM

    Yeah, I would list Kei Igawa EVERY day before I would list the Giambino.

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