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The Phillies are reportedly shopping Cole Hamels, but a trade seems unlikely

Jul 2, 2012, 10:08 AM EDT

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Jon Heyman reported yesterday that the Phillies “recently began making calls to see about trade interest in Cole Hamels.”  Heyman reports that no progress has been made.

Buster Olney has a good reason for that. He’s reporting that the Phillies want “four or five prospects.”  Which is kind of crazy given that Hamels would be a rental, what with impending free agency and all.  Heck, a lot of teams don’t have four or five legit prospects, no matter what they say.

If this were any other team I’d probably dismiss the notion of a Hamels trade altogether. But Ruben Amaro has made bold moves in the past, both good and bad. If anyone is gonna do something that’s kind of audacious, it’d be him. But really, I’m having a hard time seeing a move being made.

  1. dondada10 - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:27 AM

    I can definitely see a move being made. But unless the Expos are about to be contracted again, I don’t see the Phils getting 4-5 prospects.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:33 AM

      Of course, but you have to ask for the moon as a starting point in the negotiations. If the rumor is Amaro wants a B level prospect with a couple of Cs, he’ll get talked down even further.

      • paperlions - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:47 AM

        Amaro is probably just asking for what he would give to rent Hamels for 3 months.

  2. kvanhorn87 - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:37 AM

    I hear Kyle Drabek is available. I have faith in the ninja.

    • hep3 - Jul 2, 2012 at 12:08 PM

      From Rotoworld:

      Blue Jays transferred RHP Kyle Drabek from the 15-day disabled list to the 60-day disabled list. It’s just a bit of housekeeping, as the move clears a spot on the 40-man roster. Drabek is scheduled to undergo Tommy John surgery on Tuesday and will be sidelined through the early part of 2013.

  3. Alex K - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:37 AM

    I think they are just trying to frame the discussion. I would think that Amaro knows he won’t get that big of a haul for a rental player.

  4. ame123 - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:45 AM

    Stupid trade suggestions that include some mediocre player being traded for Hamels commence in 3..2..1….

    • number42is1 - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:47 AM

      Ibanez and Dwayne Wise for Hamels straight up…

      what do i win?

      • heyblueyoustink - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:51 AM

        A signed Charlie Hayes baseball card

      • dondada10 - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:08 AM

        A shit-ton of thumbs ups?

      • heyblueyoustink - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:10 AM

        An officially liscensed Michael Phelps bong.

      • number42is1 - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:12 AM

        I can use that! My Timmy one broke over the weekend.

    • mattyflex - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:25 AM

      The Royals could certainly use a starting pitcher, and since Hamels has FA looming, I could see an offer like Johnny Giovatella and Mike Montgomrey, who both have struggled but are young and have a lot of upside being made. And then I can see it being turned down and me going back to work.

  5. funkygoorilla - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:50 AM

    Hamels to the Yankees!!!! Its gonna happen, just accept it.

    • heyblueyoustink - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:52 AM

      Sure, just send us kid Cano and we’ll sign on the bottom line.

    • geoknows - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:02 AM

      For who? The Yankees don’t have anybody to trade.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:52 AM

        No one? They don’t have a single person in the minors? Amazing…

      • Utley's Hair - Jul 2, 2012 at 4:55 PM

        They did just pick up Chad Qualls, didn’t they?

  6. hank10 - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:52 AM

    Should one or two potential trade partners be a team that can conceivably sign Hamels to deal, then this might be a legit demand. And the report says “four or five prospects, some A-plus” doesn’t mean they all have to be MLB-bound players. RAJ needs to replenish the system.

  7. uyf1950 - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:55 AM

    Just don’t see a lot of teams willing to give up the reported 4 or 5 prospects the Phillies are said to be looking for and then pay him probably somewhere in the neighborhood of $23MM per for at least 6 years if not more. Why pay twice for a pitcher that almost certainly will be a FA about 10 weeks after the trade deadline. My guess is IF he hits FA he’s out of Philadelphia an on a plane in first class to sunny Los Angeles to become a Dodger. Where with Kershaw, Kemp, Ethier and HAMELS would be a darn nice nucleus for a team.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:03 AM

      Depending on the asking price, you’re right. Teams could try to wait it out like the Yanks did with Sabathia (over Santana) and just pay a large contract fee rather than losing prospects AND signing him to a big deal. Although with the loss of FA compensation, someone (forget who) mentioned on twitter that trades like will almost have to be contingent upon a long term deal signing.

      No one wants to lose both the player and prospects for a 3 month rental, especially now that the new team won’t get a draft pick either.

  8. Jonny 5 - Jul 2, 2012 at 10:57 AM

    Trading Hamels would not only be stupid, but incredibly short sighted. This is why I don’t expect a trade here. Even if the Phills are going to go into rebuild mode, he’d be a guy very important to the future of the team, as Lee and Halladay are getting old. I’d equate this to Due diligence in case the Phillies can’t come to an agreement with Hamels. Might as well get something for him if it comes to that.

    • dondada10 - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:10 AM

      I don’t think the Phils can afford Hamels, unless they backload his contract.

      • hisgirlgotburrelled - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:43 AM

        They intentionally stay under the luxury tax and spend what they make. They’re first in attendance in baseball again. He is making $15 million this year. They can’t find $8 million for 2013? Amaro has said that they don’t want to go over the luxury tax but that they will if they have to. With the tax going up in 2014 to $185 million they can afford to pay the tax in 2013, which is lower because they’ll be first time offenders, and then be under the tax in 2014.

        The Phillies don’t sign pitchers to 7-year contracts. That’s probably the issue. I find it hard to believe they agree on dollar amount but let Hamels walk because of a difference in years.

      • dondada10 - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:57 AM

        Victorino is the guy they should move.

    • phillyphreak - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:34 AM

      I think it’s the last part. If they can’t sign him they should get something. I’d love to see him signed long term, though I don’t have much faith in the current regimes ability to rebuild.

    • CJ - Jul 2, 2012 at 12:51 PM

      I agree, but the way I see it they have 3 choices. 1) don’t trade Cole and try for one last playoff run this season (stop laughing), 2) resign Cole, 3) trade him to the highest bidder.

      They can’t risk letting him walk, and they can’t/won’t pay him what he’s going to get on the open market as the team is currently constructed. If this team were showing signs of life, then maybe Cole could be convinced to stay and take less to play for a winner, much like Halladay and Lee did. But the team isn’t playing like a winner, so that argument goes with their playoff hopes.

      That said, if they’re going to let Cole go, then it’s time to shop anyone and everyone that can be moved (Victorino?, Pence?, Rollins?, Blanton?) and try to overhaul this thing as quickly as possible. They may look at moving Ruiz as well, but I think that he’d be too tough to replace. Halladay, Lee, Utley and Howard won’t go anywhere either due to huge deals, injury questions, lack of recent production, or some combination thereof. Free up the payroll, bring back some farm depth/high profile prospects, hope they develop before your 2 remaining aces fall apart, and aggressively fill holes in FA & trades in an effort to get this thing back where it needs to be. It’s not too late to turn this thing around in 3 years or less, but come August, it will be.

  9. scapistron - Jul 2, 2012 at 11:40 AM

    They will get something. A supplemental first round pick by offering him arbitration and him declining. It is the rental team that gets hosed because it is not an option for them.

  10. thomas2727 - Jul 2, 2012 at 12:16 PM

    With the new spending limits on the draft legit prospects would seem to be worth more now than ever. I would be surprised if they were able to get more than one legit prospect for a rental.

    Also Dempster will be traded as soon as he is off the D.L. so Hamels is not the only top flight pitcher on the market.

    • js20011041 - Jul 2, 2012 at 12:32 PM

      Depending on how loosely you define “top flight pitcher,” then yes, I agree with you.

      • thomas2727 - Jul 2, 2012 at 1:49 PM

        Dempster is a top flight pitcher this year. Not sure if his injury will linger. Hamels has a better record of postseason success for sure.

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