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Sandy Alderson credits Pablo Sandoval’s nickname for his All-Star vote

Jul 3, 2012, 4:30 PM EDT

Despite missing a ton of time to the DL, Pablo Sandoval beat out David Wright for the starting third baseman’s job in this year’s All-Star Game. Mets GM Sandy Alderson took to Twitter to try to explain that:

Well, Sandy, if your fans showed up like the Giants fans did, both at the ballpark and at the online ballot box, you wouldn’t have anything to complain about.

It’s fan voting. You let fans vote, you accept whatever results you get.

  1. urdoingitwrongreds - Jul 3, 2012 at 4:34 PM

    the Giants vote seems fishy. So many of those guys jumped huge amounts in the last week. I’d be interesting to see some data on it.

    • The Dangerous Mabry - Jul 3, 2012 at 4:37 PM

      Oh, c’mon. What, like there’s some kind of collection of people in the Silicon Valley area who have the computer skills to rig an online vote? No way. That’s just crazy talk.

      • urdoingitwrongreds - Jul 3, 2012 at 4:38 PM

        It does seem unreasonable, but hey if Boston fans could do it for Nomar then I guess some computer guys could pull something off.

      • stlouis1baseball - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:56 PM

        Actually, the word on the street is they hired Acorn to handle the votes.
        It worked so well for them the last time it was a no brainer.

  2. - Jul 3, 2012 at 4:34 PM

    “It’s fan voting. You let fans vote, you accept whatever results you get.”

    And you have to be content about it and cannot dare question it even if a guy who has only played half the year is starting at third in an All-Star Game that may determine whether you get home field advantage in the World Series.

    • Reflex - Jul 3, 2012 at 7:53 PM

      To be fair, the Mets won’t sniff the World Series, but the Giants might…

  3. skerney - Jul 3, 2012 at 4:44 PM

    Comments like this should be beneath a man who runs a Major League baseball team. Sure Wright had a better first half than Sandoval, but Giants fans haven’t forgotton 2009 when Sandoval had a better BA, more HRs and more RBIs than Wright and didn’t make the NL squad. It’s a popularity contest.

    • chrisny3 - Jul 3, 2012 at 5:34 PM

      Ahhh, you’re a Giants fan. Well that explains your thinking and previous comment in the other thread.

      And you’re wrong. On July 1st, 2009 — the day balloting would likely have ended that year — Wright actually led Sandoval in BA (.340 vs. .332) and RBIs (42 vs. 40). Sandoval did have a higher OPS (.920 for DW vs. .940 for PS) but essentially their stats were so similar that it was reasonable to vote for either. It is also very reasonable that Wright was eventually elected the starter in 2009 because not only did he lead Sandoval in some key offensive categories the first half of the year, but his previous years’ stats were superior to Sandoval’s.

      As for this year, I can’t think of any major stat — either traditional or sabermetric — that Sandoval leads Wright in and, in most cases, Wright’s stats are so significantly better. For example, take OPS and WAR. Wright leads Sandoval by 1.006 to .832 (OPS) and 4.5 to 1.0 (WAR). It’s not even close. Even Wendy Thurm, a Giants fan, on Fangraphs said her 3B starter would be Wright. At least there’s one Giants fan with integrity and objectivity!

  4. thomas2727 - Jul 3, 2012 at 4:53 PM

    The 1957 Cincinnati Reds are calling.

    Stuffing the ballot box has been going on ever since the fans were first allowed for the All Star starters.

    It’s just high tech ballot box stuffing now.

    • stlouis1baseball - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:58 PM

      “It’s just high tech ballot box stuffing now.
      Brought to you by Acorn.

  5. tablescrappy - Jul 3, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    Sandoval was clearly the best choice. He’s leading the league in rape accusations this year. Perfect representative from the Giants and a great ambassador for MLB.

  6. keithbangedyermom - Jul 3, 2012 at 4:59 PM

    He’s taking a jab at Giants fans. Obviously it worked. Zack and The Amazins will see you all in SF next year.

  7. stampede101 - Jul 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

    Everyone in Los Angeles and New York, crying and complaining about this, needs to know their role…and shut their mouths! However, it does not shock me that two of the cities with the most diva-laden sports franchises are up in arms. You mad? Go talk to Cincinnati and Milwaukee.

    • willsolo - Jul 3, 2012 at 5:28 PM

      I didn’t know we were still in 1999 using a line from The Rock, jabroni.

  8. sdelmonte - Jul 3, 2012 at 5:18 PM

    I will note this: I don’t feel comfortable with a system that encourages you to vote 25 times. I voted for Wright, happily and proudly. Four times. More than that just feels wrong. Even here, I would prefer one man, one vote. Not that it’s even feasible. But that’s how I am.

    That doesn’t excuse my fellow Mets fans for not voting Wright in, though. But given how many fans came into this season depressed by the Wilpons and down on the club, and how many are still expecting the inevitable slide back to irrelevance, I can’t say I am surprised.

    Giants fans are still in love with their team. As it should be. I think the only way most Mets fans fall in love again is with our own title.

  9. smcgaels1997 - Jul 3, 2012 at 5:20 PM

    Hilarious Sandy..didn’t hear the Mets complain in 09 when Wright got the nod over Sandoval who’s numbers were far better…but somehow you’ve been wronged, classic..hey here’s a clue..get your fans to vote and I don’t know come watch your games..that should be more of a priority than jabbing SF fans. Thanks for Pagan BTW

    • citynative - Jul 3, 2012 at 5:30 PM

      Good post. The whining from New York and others in the media falls on def ears given the numerous other advantages that east coast fans enjoy (exposure, media coverage, money, population)

    • chrisny3 - Jul 3, 2012 at 5:37 PM

      Do your homework. On July 1st, 2009 — the day balloting would likely have ended that year — Wright actually led Sandoval in BA (.340 vs. .332) and RBIs (42 vs. 40). Sandoval did have a higher OPS, but it was only by .020.

      And, hey, thanks for Wheeler!

      • citynative - Jul 3, 2012 at 5:49 PM

        It is sad that the Mets point to minor leaguers. But hey, minor league budget, minor league attendance= minor league focus. I can see how it can happen.

      • chrisny3 - Jul 3, 2012 at 6:04 PM

        Wheeler is not just a minor leaguer, he’s rated one of the top pitching prospects in all of baseball! And Alderson got him for a rental player, lol! Robbery! As for budget and attendance, the Mets currently rank in the middle of MLB teams, so I guess that makes the other MLB teams minor league too?

        Whatever. At least Mets fans aren’t minor league the way SF Giants fans are!

      • citynative - Jul 3, 2012 at 6:19 PM

        The debate over NY vs. SF, prospects, minor leagues, Wheeler, east coast whining just ended.

        You dropped an “lol.”

        Wow. Based on you putting “lol” in a post about baseball, I am hoping the Chris in “Chrisny3″ is short for Christina.

      • chrisny3 - Jul 3, 2012 at 6:33 PM

        Nothing has ended. SF Giants fans & All-Star voting = LOL, LMFAO, SMH, WTF, and LOL again!

  10. yankeepunk3000 - Jul 3, 2012 at 5:31 PM

    I think I know how Pablo jumped so high and it’d all just Wierd…I watch a lot of giants games and if you guys remember Brian Wilson was in the booth telling fans to vote for panda he’s like he guys 40,000 pple here all of you vote 10 times that’s 400,000 votes and the anouncers laughed….he’s like its easy guys use your phones…well anyways that day someone wrote An article…I don’t know if it was Craig. but point being that Pablo jumped by getting like something in 200,000 votes or some crazy number of votes in ONE day. I’m pretty sure that had something to do with it but hey I love panda so who cares guys lol

  11. sisqsage - Jul 3, 2012 at 5:44 PM

    This reminds me of the goofy teets from the Indy Colts owner Irsay, who never fails to look like a fool. If you have a position of power in pro sports like an owner or GM (Alderson), seems silly to take to twitter to air dirty laundry. Just makes you look childish or petty. It would be more productive, and less embarassing, to talk to a beat writer as an anonymous source and get it out that way via a blog. More to the point of what actually appeared on the ballot, “Kung Fu Panda” is nowhere to be found. Sandoval was an all-star last year and has good stats in 2012 again, and is loved by the fans. It’s a fan-driven vote, which often times (like 99 percent) has everything to do with popularity, and not much else. In this case, fans who voted and cared the most, got what they wanted. You can tweet until your thumbs fall off – it won’t do any good, until the system is changed to be fairer.

  12. gotmelk - Jul 3, 2012 at 6:15 PM

    This is what Dave Flemming wrote in response to that:

    Surprised Mets fans didnt elect their star 3B to start at 3B RT @MetsGM: Surprised Giants fans didn’t elect a “ball dude” to start at 3B.

    For Mets fans now upset at me – my point was (aside from having a bit of fun)…

    Maybe not a great idea for a baseball exec to ridicule fans for the love of their team and players. Aren’t we hoping for that??

  13. citynative - Jul 3, 2012 at 6:17 PM

    The debate over NY vs. SF, prospects, minor leagues, Wheeler, east coast whining just ended.

    You dropped an “lol.”

    Wow. Based on you putting “lol” in a post about baseball, I am hoping the Chris in “Chrisny3” is short for Christina.

    • koufaxmitzvah - Jul 3, 2012 at 8:29 PM

      I like that you repeat your idiotic statement. For your sake, I hope you’re in 9th grade.

  14. jonirocit - Jul 3, 2012 at 7:45 PM

    Umm sandy worry about putting a better product on the field rather than concern yourself with fan voting . Idiot

    • hwy505 - Jul 4, 2012 at 1:04 PM

      Perhaps you should worry about reading the NL West vs. the Mets – you’re beloved SF is in first by .013 when compared to the Mets. That’s a 2-0, vs 1-1 record. Your advice is moot!

  15. pantherpro - Jul 3, 2012 at 10:50 PM

    Sandy is a whining Jew who never got credit working for A’s because Giants own this area! Don’t be jealous little Sandy! Take your ball and go home! Oh that’s right you never played ball!

    • keithbangedyermom - Jul 4, 2012 at 10:32 AM

      He succeeds again. He got you to make a racial slur. Outstanding.

    • hwy505 - Jul 4, 2012 at 1:10 PM

      But serving a tour in Vietnam as an officer, and subsequently as a lawyer weighs nothing on being an analytical and comprehensive leader who has enough critical thought to decipher and respond (properly), to which manner consider an athletic injustice? It is only clarified by persons with the brain the size of a microbe, that is able to inflect with the most intellectual response by referring to a persons demeanor based on his religion…Thanks for validating your ignorance for all of eternity with this imprint on the lasting annals of the Internet. This will be something you can be proud of and show your grandchildren in years to come, that you were the most ignorant in your gene pool. Wait, that means you would actually have to leave your parents basement, get a job, and actually get laid!

  16. jfinn5 - Jul 4, 2012 at 12:17 AM

    The Giants were at home for a week before the Sunday that the votes would be counted and starting lineups would be made. The Giants had free wifi setup to make your vote. The Giants front office outsmarted the Mets who have 8 million people in NY. Shut your mouth Alderson. You should be embarrassed.

    • keithbangedyermom - Jul 4, 2012 at 10:34 AM

      What I want is for one Giants fan to attempt to claim that Sandoval is better than Wright. I’ll wait.

  17. nickmiller63 - Jul 4, 2012 at 1:05 AM

    Pantherpro: Alderson’s Jewishness is irrelevant.

    • crisisofinfinitephils - Jul 4, 2012 at 9:48 AM

      It’s never irrelevant to a bigot.

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