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Some rumblings about Zack Greinke going to the Braves

Jul 3, 2012, 12:31 PM EDT

Zack Greinke

I call the noise surrounding Zack Greinke possibly being traded to the Braves “rumblings” because they’re something less than rumors. But they’re not nothing. Starting from the notion that (a) the Brewers probably want to trade Greinke; and (b) the Braves could use starting pitching, we go to:

Braves fans who follow O’Brien will recognize this as significant simply because O’Brien rarely if ever oversells the Braves’ interest in anyone. To the contrary, he’s usually quick to shoot down unreasonable trade speculation among the fan base, even if the speculation is not necessarily wild. So if he’s saying the Braves are “seriously considering” Atlanta, that’s something.

Of course the rental aspect of Greinke — and the Braves’ recent lack of willingness to spend big money on, well, anyone other than Dan Uggla — puts some cold water on it. Sure, O’Brien says the Braves may be OK with a rental. But if there’s no long term possibility?

As we saw last time he was about to leave a team, Zack Greinke has some very definite ideas about where he wants to play — and where he doesn’t want to play. And one former teammate said Greinke would like to be an Atlanta Brave, if given the chance.

According to Greinke’s friend, he very much likes Atlanta, and its proximity to his Florida home would be another plus (Greinke hails from the Orlando area).

Well, maybe Greinke would be open to a long term thing with Atlanta after all.  Of course, the citation to a “friend” is a Jon Heyman special, and this is a Jon Heyman report.  Also worth noting that rare is the case that these geographic preference reports carry much weight. Remember how CC Sabathia wanted to be in California and Cliff Lee wanted to be someplace more like Arkansas than Philly?  Yeah. Money talks.

But again, it’s not nothing. And when a team as shy to pull the trigger on anything as the late-model Braves are get mentioned as  “seriously considering” anything, you at least have to take some notice.

  1. darthicarus - Jul 3, 2012 at 12:35 PM

    Atlanta seems like a place Greinke would prefer, it’s a big market but not huge like a NYC or PHI. I think my favorite rumor so far regarding him was possibly landing in Pittsburgh. Had anyone mentioned that during Spring Training they likely would’ve had their media credentials taken away.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 3, 2012 at 12:51 PM

      Setting myself up for stupidity here, but I’m really not sure what’s so different about NYC/Phi/Bos than other places. Don’t want to deal with the media stories, don’t read a newspaper (Lebron James special). You’ll have to deal with some media regardless of where you go anyhow.

      Also, he pitches in front of packed ballparks already, so it’s not like pitching in Mil/Atl is like being in front of a golf gallery and NYC/Phi is like a drunken frathouse (well maybe it is…).

      • bradybbgoat - Jul 3, 2012 at 1:12 PM

        In smaller markets, the media (fewer in number) report only on the games themselves. There is much less extracurricular stuff. The audience is also smaller, and less interested in extraneous things. They just want to follow their team, end of story.

        What happens in big markets is that the media are not content to just write on events of the game. There are more media members and a larger, hungrier audience. The competition compels “journalists” to create a controversy which generates interest in their stories.

        Look no farther than the reports of dissension on a Red Sox team that is in contention for a wild card. There is simply no need for these types of stories, but people eat them up anyways.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 3, 2012 at 1:15 PM

        I know that, and I mentioned it above. The “controversies” are created from reporters taking other “sources” as primary material for their articles. In no way does it usually involve the subject at hand.

        Regardless, Greinke could just not read the newspaper or refuse to comment on it.

      • kopy - Jul 3, 2012 at 1:20 PM

        Exactly. Big market media is like being at a party where everybody is talking over each other, and trying to be the loudest, most noticeable person in the room. We saw this in the Red Sox beer scandal, where all the writers have a field day with the pissing contest of “who can act more outraged?” Fewers outlets with fewer writers at each is much less nauseating to digest.

      • kopy - Jul 3, 2012 at 1:21 PM

        He doesn’t have to read the newspaper. The fans will, and then they’ll show up at the stadium and boo him for something stupid that shouldn’t have been written about.

      • Chip Caray's Eyebrows - Jul 3, 2012 at 1:54 PM

        I’ve never been the subject of stories in a major news outlet, so this should be taken with a grain of salt … but I believe it’d be a lot tougher to ignore that kind of stuff than the typical couch jockey seems to think.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 3, 2012 at 1:56 PM

        but I believe it’d be a lot tougher to ignore that kind of stuff than the typical couch jockey seems to think.

        I agree; however, one of the most polarizing athletes in sports just did it and credited doing it to his team’s success (Lebron James).

    • hisgirlgotburrelled - Jul 3, 2012 at 2:39 PM

      That is quite a leap to go from NYC, skipping LA and Chicago, to Philadelphia and consider Atlanta that much smaller than Philadelphia. … Popularity and criticism of the teams may be different. But market size is not.

      http://www.tvb.org/market_profiles/131627

      • darthicarus - Jul 3, 2012 at 2:43 PM

        I was actually thinking of places that had more demanding fans/media and NYC/PHI were the first two that popped in my head. I’ll admit that amount of research I did was about 2 seconds while I was thinking of what I wanted to type.

  2. funkygoorilla - Jul 3, 2012 at 12:54 PM

    Sabathia, Greinke, Hamels. I said it first! Go Yanks!

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 3, 2012 at 1:07 PM

      And the sports first $300M payroll, might as well add Josh Hamilton and Michael Bourn to the pack

    • kopy - Jul 3, 2012 at 1:13 PM

      Thanks for telling us.

    • southpaw2k - Jul 3, 2012 at 2:18 PM

      Such a ridiculous lineup was bound to be announced from some Yankee fan.

      What exactly do you think the Yankees could offer to both the Brewers and Phillies that they’d give up their blue chip trade options? If you tell me the likes of Ivan Nova, Freddie Garcia, and/or Dewayne Wise I will happily laugh in your direction and apply electric tape across your mouth.

  3. bradybbgoat - Jul 3, 2012 at 12:57 PM

    I thought that the Sawx would be a good destination for Greinke, given the presence of his former guru Bob McClure.

    However, given the the recent failings of guys like Lackey and Crawford I’m not sure ownership would want to take a chance on giving Greinke a big money extension.

    If he winds up in ATL and signs an extension that would give them a very promising rotation for this season and beyond. Good on them.

  4. heyblueyoustink - Jul 3, 2012 at 12:59 PM

    And somewhere, a particular baseball blogger with the infinity for the Bravos, is sacrificing a chicken and simultaneously praying to both Jobu and Krom.

  5. harrysatchel - Jul 3, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    I really hope this trade happens. What would Atlanta offer in return? It’s doubtful they would want Jurrjens.

  6. Ben - Jul 3, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    This trade makes a remarkable amount of sense. Though would Milwaukee demand someone like Tehran, who despite his stock being down, is still an excellent prospect?

  7. realgone2 - Jul 3, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    Well, churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged – Dave O’Brien is a tool. He’d rather talk about stupid hipster bands and ride motorcycles with Fat Fredi than do some real reporting. Plus the AJC is like Pravda. They will never criticize any move, player, or front office worker of the Braves. They actually do the spin doctoring for the team. Oh and heaven forbid you call DOB or the paper on it. He will blast you as some pessimistic no nothing. I’ve seen him do it to several people on his “blog”. So Greinke would have nothing to worry about really. That being said Greinke is a head case and probably can’t be afforded by the Braves anyway.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 3, 2012 at 1:07 PM

      Not sure what this has to do with me, considering I was responding to someone about going to NYC/Phi; however,

      That being said Greinke is a head case

      Any chance we can keep this stuff out of the discussion? Unless you are his personal shrink, we have no idea what triggers his condition, how he copes, and whether he could pitch somewhere.

  8. theawesomersfranchise - Jul 3, 2012 at 1:06 PM

    If the Braves do not think they could re-sign him, and use him as a rental, then they are not offer much for him. So why do the Brewers agree to trade him to the ATL? Because there are a few teams that think they can re-sign him and would offer the Brewers more in trade.

    Having my doubts about the Bravos and Brewers making a deal

  9. realgone2 - Jul 3, 2012 at 1:13 PM

    churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged – you were speaking of how you do not think it’s a big difference pitching in different cities. I was stating how the ATL wouldn’t bother Zack as opposed to BOS/NY/PHI.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 3, 2012 at 1:22 PM

      Except we don’t know what’ll both Greinke, because we don’t know what triggers his SAD. it might be large crowds, except there are large crowds in every ballpark. It might be a relentless media, except they exist in every city (everyone has papers to sell).

      The only thing we’ve heard come out of Greinke’s mouth in the last few years is the lack of winning on the Royals made him almost quit. He wants to go to a winner. 99% of the other comments are friends of friends of best buds brother’s sister’s hairdresser type stuff (or Lord HeeHaw).

  10. Max Power - Jul 3, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    First Ben Sheets, now maybe Zach Greinke? Wasn’t Atlanta satisfied taking the Braves and Henry Aaron from Milwaukee in the first place?

    If I start hearing rumors about Pete Vuckovich headed to Atlanta, I don’t know what I’ll do.

  11. realbenrush - Jul 3, 2012 at 2:15 PM

    I would do just about anything as an Orioles fan to get him in Baltimore. However, outside of Bundy and Machado, we have nothing.

  12. paperlions - Jul 3, 2012 at 2:24 PM

    He could come to St. Louis.

    #bestfansinbaseball
    :-P

  13. jimbo1949 - Jul 3, 2012 at 9:38 PM

    “So if he’s saying the Braves are “seriously considering” Atlanta, that’s something.”
    Well sure, after they were booted out of Boston and Milwaukee, they had to go somewhere.

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