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David Ortiz says he was humiliated by the Red Sox in the offseason

Jul 5, 2012, 9:10 AM EDT

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David Ortiz is having a fantastic season, though one frequently interrupted by complaints about some thing or another. The latest: he thought the Red Sox wanting to go year to year with him this past offseason rather than give him a two-year deal was humiliating, and he didn’t hesitate to tell USA Today about it:

“It was humiliating. There’s no reason a guy like me should go through that,” Ortiz said. “All I was looking for was two years, at the same salary [$12.5 million].

“They ended up giving me [$2.025 million] more than that , and look at my numbers this year. Tell me if they wouldn’t have been better off. And yet they don’t hesitate to sign other guys. It was embarrassing.”

Well, yes, in hindsight a two-year, $25 million deal will probably have been better than Ortiz’s $14.575 million he got this year plus whatever he’ll get for 2013.  But it’s not like it was some snub by Boston. It’s pretty reasonable — always pretty reasonable — to assume a player of Ortiz’s age and skill set doesn’t have a full tank left. Eventually he’s gonna fall off a cliff.

He didn’t this year. Because of that, he’s going to get much more for 2012 and 2013 than he would have had he gotten the deal he wanted. A deal which, for some reason, I get the feeling Ortiz would be grumbling about being too big a bargain for the Sox had he signed it.

  1. kkolchak - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:15 AM

    I wish someone would “humiliate” me with $14.575 million. What a tool.

    • garylanglais - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:24 AM

      If this is “humiliating” I wonder what verb he will use when the Red Sox offer him arbitration all over again at the end of this season.

      • skeleteeth - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:35 AM


      • deathmonkey41 - Jul 5, 2012 at 11:02 AM

        You guys are being really unfair. I’d like to see you take all those female pregnancy hormones and not get your panties in a bunch every couple of weeks!

    • sabatimus - Jul 5, 2012 at 11:00 AM

      You know, I like Ortiz, but for someone who complains about the media trumping up stuff, he’s sure giving them plenty of fodder.

    • ras1tafari - Jul 5, 2012 at 11:45 AM

      You guys are all stuck on the money. You need to get over it. They make too much, and we never will, but that’s how they compare themselves.

      If you found out your cubicle-mate was making 1.5x as much as you for doing the same job, wouldn’t you be pissed off? If you consistently put up results that met or exceeded expectations, but got some crappy contract or raise, would you not raise hell?

      Just becasue the monetary values are different doesn’t make the situation different from what we all experience.

      • skeleteeth - Jul 5, 2012 at 11:56 AM

        I’m sorry but show me a strictly DH making $19.25 million please?

      • kkolchak - Jul 5, 2012 at 12:03 PM

        Um…yeah I’m hocked off about the money, because as a fan it’s MY money.

      • mgp1219 - Jul 5, 2012 at 12:22 PM

        Ortiz should keep this stuff in house, like the players all wanted the chicken & beer scandal to be handled. I’m tired of his whining wheneverything doesn’t go his wat. STFU Big Poopi!!

      • snowbirdgothic - Jul 5, 2012 at 12:28 PM

        It’s your money until you spend it, kkolchak, then it’s theirs.

      • sabatimus - Jul 5, 2012 at 12:54 PM

        People need to stop making comparisons to “regular” jobs. I’m so tired of this argument. Playing in the majors is NOT a “regular” job and has quite different rules as far as what they allow and what they don’t. The two are apples and oranges…though they probably shouldn’t be.

      • bayareabosoxfan - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:43 PM

        Your comment is factually incorrect. Ortiz makes the most of any DH, this year and in history. He is handsomely paid. I understand his disappointment that the Sox haven’t offered him a multi-year deal, and I personally wish that they would offer him a 2-year deal right now, but the true facts are that (1) no other DH makes anywhere near as much as Ortiz; (2) no team is going to offer him what the Sox offer him; and (3) most teams are switching over to having a position player be a part-time DH, rather than having a full-time DH. So, Papi can bitch and moan and complain that he is being disrespected, but he has to come to grips with the reality of the situation.

  2. baseballisboring - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:17 AM

    Ugh, just stop. I love Big Papi and he’s having an incredible season but quit being a drama queen. “Humiliated”, pfffft. I can’t imagine the humiliating things I’d do for $15MM right now. You’re old, you’re fat, keep wacking baseballs and let the businessmen do the business.

    • ras1tafari - Jul 5, 2012 at 11:40 AM

      We all agree about the money. The issue is that the Red Sox have consistently treated Ortiz like s–t. Low ball offers, short years, no love, this is the kind of crap you do to a utility guy, not the most important Red Sock of the last 25 years.

      We aren’t pro baseball players, and will never earn that kind of money so everyone needs get the f–k over that fact.

      They measure success by the value of their contracts. Ortiz looks around and see stars getting massive dollars and years (A-Rod, Jeter, Pujols, Eithier!) and wants to know why he gets the bum rush from the Red Sox everytime. If I were him, I would drop this city like a bad habit, and I live here.

      • bougin89 - Jul 5, 2012 at 12:01 PM

        I don’t think the Red Sox would have had any issue with giving him a long term deal in the past but it always seemed like Ortiz’s body was breaking down or about to break down. He never looked like he was in great shape and to give him a long term deal would have been risky. Plus the fact that DH’s aren’t valued as much as someone that can hit and play a position everyday…I realy don’t see why Ortiz always felt disrespected. He has made roughly $80 million over the past 6 seasons with the Red Sox.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:48 PM

        but it always seemed like Ortiz’s body was breaking down or about to break down

        How so? He joined the Sox in ’03. In that time he’s played:

        ’03 – 128
        ’04 – 150
        ’05 – 159
        ’06 – 151
        ’07 – 149
        ’08 – 109
        ’09 – 150
        ’10 – 145
        ’11 – 146
        ’12 81 (on pace for 148)

        ’08 is when he hurt his wrist. Before that and since that he’s played in 145 games in every single year except ’03. It took 1.5 years for the wrist to heal, but since last year he’s back to the power hitting DH.

      • Jack Marshall - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:13 PM

        He’s a DH, Do you not understand that? He plays half the game. And very well, but defense earns money too. Why do people assume that employers have an obligation to pay more money when they can buy the same thing for less? From here on, every season a team counts on Ortiz to play up to his past level is taking a risk, and the offers should reflect that. Gonzalez was a sure thing, young, and look at him right now: he’s John Ohlrud, and not even that. Respect and common sense are not mutually exclusive, David.

  3. redguy12588 - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:17 AM

    He’s a DH, how much wear and tear is he gonna take? Maybe he’ll pull a hammy after picking his fat ass off the bench?

  4. nepo784 - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:19 AM

    Hey Ortiz… Go F$ck yourself with your BS “humiliation”

  5. churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:23 AM

    Lot of hate so far. So tell me this, if you are outperforming your peers in your job, and your boss offers you a subpar contract, do you just take it because it’s more than enough money to survive, or do you wish you get paid better?

    • zzalapski - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:38 AM

      Of course I would wish I got paid better. I wouldn’t express said wish to a national publication in manner reminiscent of an emo adolescent, however.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:49 AM

        How was he being an adolescent about it? He states that the Red Sox were playing hardball with him, only agreeing to a deal an hour before arbitration for less than what he thought he was worth. And then Ortiz brings up that players who have never played for the Sox have been getting much larger deals. It’s understandable that a guy that has produced for the Sox for many years would feel slighted getting less money than people who haven’t produced.

      • kopy - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:53 AM

        If Ortiz is out-performing his contract then the Red Sox did him a favor by going year-to-year. It’s the best way to get paid what he truly deserves. Ortiz only thought the contract was subpar because it wouldn’t protect him for next season in case he didn’t do well.

      • kkolchak - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:00 AM

        Exactly. Ultimately, it is the FANS who pay his salary and might not appreciate his feelings of being so “underpaid.” He should wake up every day and say thanks to his creator for giving him his talent, because otherwise he’d probably be wearing a name tag, saying “you want fries with that?” and feeling “disrespected” about getting paid minimum wage.

    • danandcasey - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:49 AM

      Your hypothetical changes the facts significantly from the Ortiz situation. Ortiz got a 16% raise over the $ he was asking for. He is at an age where many in his chosen field lose the ability to outperform their peers. I would not characterize his contract as “subpar.” Even if “subpar,” it surely is not “embarrassing.”

      But – to stick with your hypothetical, if my boss did not pay me what I am worth, I would look to the firm down the street, who likely will pay me the $. Ortiz was free to find another employer who would have given him the 2 years at $12.5 million.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:53 AM

        Ortiz got a 16% raise over the $ he was asking for

        Yes, he eventually got his raise an hour before the two were supposed to head to arbitration. Does everyone realize what that is? When you get to sit in front of a third party and have your bosses blast your performance to justify why they are offering a subpar deal. Who would want to subject themselves to that?

        Yes he was free to find another employer, which I’m sure won’t be an issue after this season. However, that doesn’t mean he has to like the situation.

      • paperlions - Jul 5, 2012 at 12:20 PM

        If Ortiz didn’t like it, all he had to do was turn down arbitration to see if he could find the love he was looking for elsewhere. No one made him accept arbitration.

        If he thinks he is so fucking great (and he obviously does and he obviously is), shouldn’t he be fine with going year-to-year because he knows he’s going to put up great numbers and continue to get nice contracts. The only reason to want multiple years at his age is the hope of getting paid good money for multiple years of suck.

    • skeleteeth - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:57 AM

      Maybe you wish you get paid better, not whine publicly about how your feelings were hurt.

      Only Hafner and Posada made more than Ortiz in 2011, both at the end or in the midst of deals that were made in 2007 and 2008 respectively. Martinez made $500K less but was 3+ years younger and produce much better than any other DH besides Ortiz. He could also catch and play 1B as opposed to Ortiz being limited to one position for interleague play.

    • cur68 - Jul 5, 2012 at 11:29 AM

      Glad you said it, COPO. That’s about what I think, too. He’s been great. He deserves to be paid like he plays, just the same as his peers. If they’re worried about his age, then make it an incentive based contract with bonuses above what he’d asked for. They’d wind up paying about what they are now WITHOUT insulting the guy.

      My opinion is that Ortiz won’t really fall off a cliff. Barry Bonds didn’t. Whatever it was about Bonds (insert PEDs based reasoning here & this may well be fallacious) that kept him killing baseballs well into his late 30’s, I do believe that Ortiz has it, too. They share some remarkable similarities: left handed power hitters who kill inside pitches. Both have that uppercut swing, both are getting better rather than worse as they age. Ortiz has better knees and less wear and tear but a worse physique.

      I wonder if his hitting skills are now so second nature that he no longer needs a young persons reflexes to hit well? He no longer needs to see the ball, he knows where it is based on the pitcher’s delivery, so he has more time to decide if he should swing or not and he knows where to swing as well. All of this so ingrained that he doesn’t even have to think about it anymore. It just happens.

      That skill set doesn’t go away with age. It might actually get better. That is until the joints break down and prevent the swing itself from happening. IMO, absent shoulder or hip problems, he’s got another 5 or 6 years in that bat.

      • skeleteeth - Jul 5, 2012 at 11:51 AM

        He makes more than both Hafner and Dunn in 2012. Hafner’s contract is just plain horrible in hindsight and although Dunn has vastly increased HR totals this year, his contract can be viewed in the same light, although larger sample size may be needed. Just because these guys play for teams that made or will have made poor front office decisions doesn’t translate into Ortiz not getting the respect he deserves by being offered less than what other players @ his position signed for.

        How much respect would he garner had he bucked up, kept his mouth shut, and put up MVP numbers (again) under such adverse working conditions…?

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:02 PM

        He makes more than both Hafner and Dunn in 2012.

        And he’s a far better hitter than both of them, both career wise and last year. I don’t see what the big deal is about these guys wanting more money? Also, everyone seems to be skipping over the part that Ortiz feels he should be paid more than guys Boston is bringing it who haven’t shown they can succeed in Bos.

      • skeleteeth - Jul 5, 2012 at 4:50 PM

        Because they are either position players or starters I guess. Albeit, non-performing and overhyped for the most part, but that is their stock. I wouldn’t consider them peers.

        I would feel much better about this ranting if it were along the lines of how these signings have diluted playoff chances recently etc, not about David Ortiz being owed more respect and/or money.

    • stlouis1baseball - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:37 PM

      “if you are outperforming your peers in your job, and your boss offers you a subpar contract, do you just take it because it’s more than enough money to survive, or do you wish you get paid better?”
      Of course you wish you were paid better Church. The way to combat this is to sign for the one year deal (work your ass off in the process)…and then sign elsewhere when the one year deal is over. He is no different than anyone else. He can actually leave for greener pastures.
      Before you point out the obvious…I am well aware of him being on the downside of his career.
      As a result, you potentially make a sacrifice and sign the deal that best suites you.
      In his case…be grateful the DH role is his for the taking and sign the contract.
      Otherwise, good luck finding the monies elsewhere.
      It isn’t ownerships fault he signed for (what he perceives) is “humiliating terms.”
      Business 101.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:54 PM

        The way to combat this is to sign for the one year deal (work your ass off in the process)…and then sign elsewhere when the one year deal is over.

        Yes, he can do this, but what is the harm in asking for more years, even at less money. Now he could have been talking out his ass, but an AAV of less money but for an additional year is what the guy asked for. Where’s the harm?

        I am well aware of him being on the downside of his career.

        Except he really isn’t. Last three years full years and this one:

        ’09 – .238/.332/.462, .224 ISO, .340 wOBA, 99 wRC+, 0.3 fWAR
        ’10 – .270/.370/.529, .259 ISO, .380 wOBA, 133 wRC+, 2.6 fWAR
        ’11 – .309/.398/.554, .246 ISO, .405 wOBA, 153 wRC+, 4.2 fWAR
        ’12 – .302/.391/.607, .305 ISO, .410 wOBA, 157 wRC+, 2.4 fWAR (ZIPS proj 4.4 fWAR)

        He’s back to hitting (against league average) like he was in ’04 to ’06.

    • stlouis1baseball - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:48 PM

      “How was he being an adolescent about it?”
      Really Church? He whined like a little girl to the media.
      Making matters worse…the media he is so quick to bitch, moan and whine about.
      He has/had two very simple choices:
      #1) Sign the damn contract and bust is ass for a better contract the following year.
      You know…how it works in the real world.
      #2) Turn it down for the greener pastures you are so certain you will get.
      Also very much like the real world.
      Notice the whining, bitching and moaning isn’t one of the choices.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:57 PM

        Really Church? He whined like a little girl to the media.

        Where is he whining? Y’all realize that he didn’t cold call Bob Ryan at the Globe and say, Hey Bob, I want you to write a story about how the Sox f’d me over last year. Most likely he was responding to a question that was asked of him. Second, is it whining to point out that management has been spending more money on unproven players than the ones who’ve produced, year in and year out?

        He didn’t ask for a raise, he wanted job security. In this economy, isn’t that something that we can all agree on? If at the end of the year you had to stand in front of your boss to talk about the following year’s work, who among us would take a raise over the knowledge that we’ll be employed for an additional year?

    • stlouis1baseball - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:08 PM

      We are gonna’ have to agree to disagree on this topic as well Church.
      The Dude is 36 years old. So (in my opinion)…he most certainly is on the downside of his career.
      Be appreciative of the contract (and subsequent security it provides) OR sign elsewhere if you think you can benefit from it.
      Regardless if he was responding to a question or not…he most certainly did whine about it.
      His entire answer was a complete bitch session.
      Don’t feed the Bears and you won’t have to worry (bitch about) them being in your trash can.

    • 1historian - Jul 6, 2012 at 1:29 PM

      Your argument has some merit but there is a cutoff point at which it ceases to mean anything, and that point is $12,500,000 per year.

  6. giantssb42champs - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:36 AM

    Just shut up and drink your “protein” shakes Big Poopie

  7. uyf1950 - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:41 AM

    Wasn’t Ortiz the player who just recently jumped all over the media for saying the Red Sox clubhouse was toxic or something like that. And that he was the leader in the clubhouse and all of that toxic stuff was bull. Sounds to me and not just from his comments here but other comments he has made along the way that he’s part of problem NOT part of the solution. To paraphase a commercial for the Las Vegas Visitors Bureau “Nothing that happens on Yawkey Way stays on Yawkey Way”. That’s just my opinion.

    • Francisco (FC) - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:59 AM

      Well his beef seems to be with Sox ownership and Boston Media, not his teammates or the clubhouse in general, but maybe running his mouth off isn’t conducive to good clubhouse atmosphere regardless of the target.

      • uyf1950 - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:41 AM

        Francisco, maybe I’m reading to much into his comments from what I’ve seen. But when you start to throw what other players on your own team have been given even though it’s common knowledge for example like Beckett, Crawford, etc…in the way of multi-year deals as some sort of reason for him feeling “humiliated” while that’s not directly an issue with other players I have to think it can’t sit very well with them in the clubhouse. But that’s just my feeling.

      • sabatimus - Jul 5, 2012 at 11:05 AM

        Not only that, Francisco, but I expect the ownership problems run DEEP. The Sox have a long history of screwing players regardless of who owns the club (Carlton Fisk, to name just one). We all know that the Boston media is full of haters. He didn’t mention the clubhouse, but I also think there’s serious problems there too–I’m betting it’s a big stress factory.

  8. thegonz13 - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:47 AM

    Memo to Red Sox: At $15 million, please humiliate me!

  9. tashkalucy - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:48 AM

    God is silent…..

    Now, if only David Ortiz would be.

  10. townballblog - Jul 5, 2012 at 9:54 AM

    I think Ortiz was a “victim” of when he signed his last contract – Four years with a club option for 5th year (i think) when he was 30 years old – which now puts the red sox in a position where it’s hard to sign a guy to a multi-year deal at age 36.

    His numbers had been declining for the past couple of years and no one knew if last year was a fluke or he was getting it together again, it was understandable for the red sox to be hesitant.

    Ortiz has a bit of a point though, I think he at least had earned the benefit of the doubt for all he’s done for Boston.

    That said, Boston better re-sign him before the year is over otherwise he might decide to go.

    • uyf1950 - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:16 AM

      townballblog, I’m not exactly sure where is he going to go? With the new CBA all the Red Sox have to do is make him a qualifying offer of about $12.5MM. He’d obviously turn it down. Then the Red Sox would get the draft choice from whatever team wanted to sign him. How many teams are out there that want to pay “purely” a DH who will be 37 come Nov. 2012 a multi year deal for upwards of $25MM total for say 2 years and give up a draft choice? I think you can eliminate virtually every NL Team, because he’s not even adequate defensively. And you can probably eliminate several of the big market AL teams like the Yankees, Tigers, Angels and White Sox. I guess the Rangers could be a possibility but at the end of the season they have several big FA’s of their own they have to worry about resigning like Hamilton and Napoli. I just don’t see a lot of options for Ortiz outside of Boston.

      • bbil2012 - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:32 AM

        So you have the information that Papi will only play for a big market team? Interesting.

      • uyf1950 - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:52 AM

        bbil, no what I have is a basic feeling that not to many small market teams are willing go give out multi-year deals to 37 year old 1 way player for about $25MM for 2 years AND give up a draft choice. Draft choices are in most cases are the life blood of small market teams. But hey I could be wrong, it wouldn’t be the first time.

        BTW, bbil2012 rather then just criticize my previous comment why don’t you offer some suggestions on which “small” market team(s) would be interested in Ortiz based on the criteria he’s looking for and how they might afford him.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:06 PM

        ugh my reply got eaten before, but I’m about 99% positive they removed the draft pick compensation in the last CBA. Now you just got a supplemental first round pick (not the signing team’s) if the player declines arbitration.

      • bbil2012 - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:43 PM

        You’re right.
        The only team that might have an interest in Ortiz in 2013 is Baltimore. Since they have been so inefficient with payroll a multi-year contract seems unlikely. So the Red Sox could be his best option, again.
        Type A: Losing team gains 1st round pick (immeadiately before signing team) plus supplemental pick, as far as I know.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:01 PM

        Apologies, looks like you’ll still lose the pick if the team offers a “guaranteed one year contract at the average of the top 125 MLB Players (~12M based on last year’s data)”. And only top 10 picks are protected unlike top 15 from previous years.

      • uyf1950 - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:03 PM

        I doubt the Orioles would have serious interest in Ortiz. First off their owner is notoriously cheap and in the last 12 or so years the Orioles payroll has only exceed $85MM once and even in that year it was only $93MM. If Ortiz was to get a multi-year deal in the area of of $12 to $15 per year. that would make him the Orioles 2nd highest paid player if he went there in 2013. I just don’t see the Orioles being a serious player for Ortiz if he becomes a FA. It always seems to come back to the Red Sox and Ortiz a marriage of necessity for Ortiz.

      • townballblog - Jul 6, 2012 at 7:45 PM

        uyf1950, I disagree. Admitedly, I don’t know much about the new CBA (or the old one, we barely knew each other) but if a team is indeed willing to give up a pick to sign him, these are a few that could use him:

        Orioles: They have Thome as a DH right now. I love Thome (prettiest swing ever <just an opinion) but he won't stick around and he is no Ortiz. I just read the article that the Orioles owner is willing to spend on Greinke so why not?

        Red Sox: However, the have Ryan Lavarnway waiting who can also catch and give Salty the day off here and there.

        Yankees: self explanatory.

        Tigers: 5th highest salary. However, they have Victor Martinez so maybe not.

        Royals: Just kidding.

        Angels: Bare with me here. If they move Bourjos then Morales becomes everyday OF (he came up as an OF) and Trumbo takes many a reps at 3B. Hey, it can happen.

        Rangers: If they move Young (16M) and Cruz (9.5M), which they might even do before this year is over, Ortiz would fit in quite nicely and he can be DH everyday.

        Lastly, my favorite possibility….the new jewel of the AL, the Houston Astros! Hey, it could happen.

  11. AlohaMrHand - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:06 AM

    That is an insult,how is papi supposed to feed his family with only 14.5 million?


    Latrell Sprewell

  12. blackandbluedivision - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:43 AM

    Ortiz said. “All I was looking for was two years, at the same salary [$12.5 million].

    “They ended up giving me [$2.025 million] more than that…”

    Remind me again how this is humiliation? You asked for $12 million and they decided to reward you with $2 million more. I’m confused.

    • skeleteeth - Jul 5, 2012 at 11:16 AM

      2 years guaranteed versus one and done. He hits .250 15HR 75 RBI w/2 year contract he still gets his $12.5 million the following year. He does that w/1 year deal, odds are not in his favor to come close to $12.5 million the next year.

      It’s probably more the multi-year thing than money. He’s viewing it as a message from the organization that he’s not worth investing in anymore. Ortiz feels he is given all the success he has brought the team in his tenure. Past performance and nostalgia versus pragmatism…

  13. missamyg - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:52 AM

    Sorry, I used to adore you Big Papi, but lately you have seem to have lost your grip on reality.

    For 14.575 mil a year, I could live with my job “not being fun anymore” and being “humiliated” because I essentially had to re-apply for my own job. I understand that athletes must have large egos, but to constantly whine about a job that pays you essentially $14,000 EVERYTIME YOU GET UP TO BAT (regardless of your output), is just ridiculous. I have also worked hard all my life and am now struggling and working a part time, minimum wage job just trying to eat. I can’t afford to go to one of your silly games anymore and frankly am getting so sick of all of you, I don’t want to. The rest of us have to prove ourselves every day, not just rest on what we have done in the past.

    For all you part time psychs out there, I am angry only for purposes of this comment. Papi, if you think you are going to lead a parade of fans demanding you get a better deal, keep on dreaming. You have got a pretty good deal in this life, it is time to shut up and giggle all the way home.

  14. yahmule - Jul 5, 2012 at 10:59 AM

    Does anybody in the league whine more than this guy?

    • dangle13x - Jul 5, 2012 at 11:20 AM

      It’s pretty funny looking back at their world series run’s how the media tried to play him off to be this big jolly guy that was always smiling and just an all around nice guy. In reality, he is a piece of garbage.

  15. mwalsh5 - Jul 5, 2012 at 11:03 AM

    What is HUMILIATING is as a redsox fan with kids Manny and I am sure you were doing roids during our championships. That’s what is humiliating.

    • sabatimus - Jul 5, 2012 at 11:06 AM

      No, what’s humiliating is that the Sox just went 2-5 against the MARINERS and the ATHLETICS. You gotta be fricking KIDDING.

      • mwalsh5 - Jul 5, 2012 at 11:07 AM

        could not agree more very aggravated with this team.

  16. dangle13x - Jul 5, 2012 at 11:18 AM

    Ortiz is a great player having a great year, but shut your mouth you knuckledragging ape. You get paid 14 mil a year to swing a piece of wood around violently.

    • bw1980 - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:11 PM

      Wow…whoever is giving this comment the thumbs up should just post pictures of themselve at Klan rallies. How ignorant.

    • bw1980 - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:11 PM

      Wow…whoever is giving this comment the thumbs up should just post pictures of themselves at Klan rallies. How ignorant.

  17. mathieug79 - Jul 5, 2012 at 12:03 PM

    NO way he signs with Red Sox again!,

    • 1historian - Jul 6, 2012 at 1:32 PM


  18. mallethead329 - Jul 5, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    Ortiz needs to buy a clue if he thinks he’s been humiliated. Humiliation is when a $60,000 a year fireman or policeman can’t pay his mortgage or send a daughter off to college. The same people that protect this crybaby’s home, and can’t afford a decent ticket to watch this clown spit on his gloves. . Fourteen million a year? In baseball salaries, that’s about right for Ortiz. Unfortunately,he is quickly on his way to destroying every bit of good will he has built in New England. It’s all downhill from here, David.

  19. bw1980 - Jul 5, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    I would ask all of the people saying that Ortiz makes too much money if they would prefer that the players all made $100,000 and John Henry pocketed an extra $160M? Isn’t better for society to have twenty people making millions instead of one person making hundreds of millions?

    Put another way, if you worked for a small employer, lets say the business employed 10 people, would you consider it just for the owner to make $3M per year and pay the employees minimum wage? Do you honestly think that’s better for society?

    John Henry bears the risk of ownership but there would be no Red Sox or Yankees or any other professional sports team if the players chose not to use their talents. In other words, noboby is paying to see John Henry. This isn’t a circus: the players aren’t animals.

    • kkolchak - Jul 5, 2012 at 12:33 PM

      The issue isn’t about Ortiz making too much money…the issue is about a rich, spoiled, entitled, pampered, whining little a-hole of an athlete WHINING about making so much money. He makes what the market will bear. I get that. But he should STFU about it and play.

      • bw1980 - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:09 PM

        Well there are plenty of people on this board saying that these guys make too much money. I even read one idiotic comment in which the poster said it pisses him off because it’s “his money”. Memo to those people: don’t buy the gear and don’t go the games if you think you’re paying too much. Do you think if John Henry cuts all of the salaries that he’s going to drop ticket prices, too? Is that Red Sox hat or the NESN package going to cost less money?

        As for your comment, Ortiz wasn’t whining about money: he was talking about security and respect. He doesn’t appreciate that the Red Sox are telling him that he’s a year-to-year player who is going to be dropped if he has one bad year while they’ve be willing to make long term commitments to guys like Dice-K, who hadn’t prior to signing the contract ever proven a thing, and to other guys who have proven their worth (as Ortiz has repeatedly) but aren’t being asked to do it over and over again.

        I think Ortiz has earned the right to trade on his good name with the Red Sox organization.

    • jcarne9014 - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:27 PM

      Absolutely correct…every word. But what the players need to realize (and so precious few do) is how ridiculous they sound when they talk about money and/or how they are treated. They are all paid unbelievable sums of money. How is it that they cannot realize that?! Ortiz makes approximately $30,000 per at bat! That’s six figures….every single game! He can be unhappy or feel humiliated in private. But when he is speaking in public he HAS to know how stupid he sounds…and he doesn’t.

  20. denverdude7 - Jul 5, 2012 at 12:55 PM

    Somebody go get Umenyiora’s pacifier and give it to Ortiz.

    WAAAH, WAAAH, WAAAH !!!!!!

    Just shut up already you overpaid woos.

  21. randygnyc - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:09 PM

    Here’s the other half of his quote. He’s going shopping…..

    “If you go crazy and give contracts to whoever comes along despite not knowing how they’re going to do, then you don’t give me my due consideration even though I do my thing every year, (screw) that,” Ortiz said.

    “I’m going to be open to anything. My mentality is not going to be, ‘I like it here.’ It’s going to be, ‘Bring it to the table and we’ll see what happens.”’

    • bw1980 - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:15 PM

      Congrats on being of the few people who read more than the first paragraph of the article and was therefore able to grasp that Ortiz wasn’t talking about the size contract, he was talking about being asked to prove it over-and-over while the Sox handout five year deals to every stiff whose ever had one decent year.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:50 PM

        I’ve been trying, but far too many people are stuck on “ZOMG $14M ISN”T ENOUGH TO FEED MY FAMILY!!!111eleventy!!!”

      • kkolchak - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:00 PM

        Whoopty-damn doo. He’s still whining about being “humiliated” when he is making more money in one season playing a kid’s game than most people will earn in their lifetimes. You could dress me up in a clown suit at the contract signing and I’d still be laughing all the way to the bank.

        The fact that he thinks any of us non-rich, spoiled, entitled, out-of-touch athletes should give a damn shows what a clueless moron he is.

      • skeleteeth - Jul 5, 2012 at 4:41 PM

        I don’t see them signing any other 36 year-old DH’s though. Do you? You can put anyone in the DH slot but you can’t necessarily supplant a position player with someone that is primarily a DH most of the time and definitely in Ortiz’s case.


        So trading for Gonzalez and signing him to an extension, do you think that falls in line with stiffs that he is complaining about? I don’t think there is much argument that the Red Sox have made bad free agent signings on position players / starters recently but Hafner and Dunn are the only DH’s I can think that have received huge contracts explicitly as a DH and how have they fared?

        I understand the frustration with most recent signings as a fan of the Red Sox. But seriously, why would you publicly make comments like this? Why not just put your head down, mouth shut, hit the shit out of the ball and then make a statement by walking right out of Boston? This is no way to garner respect…

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 5, 2012 at 7:58 PM

        do you think that falls in line with stiffs that he is complaining about?

        it’s quite possible he’s referring to Gonzalez as one. But also look at guys like Crawford (7/$142M or $20.3M/year) or Lackey (5/$82.5M or $16.5M/year), those guys haven’t done anything since they were signed, and both have a higher AAV on their contracts than Ortiz has ever enjoyed.

        Look, I’m not saying what Ortiz is saying is right. I’m saying I understand where he’s coming from. The money in these situations is so foreign to us, merely saying “lawl give me $15M a year and I’ll dance in a monkey suit AND LIKE IT” isn’t equivalent. Knock a few zeroes off their salaries so now we’re talking $120K vs $12M. Does it now make sense? If you were one of the best employees for your company for the last 10 years, and some hotshot comes in making 150% more than you ever made, and even after another great year you still make less annually than they do, wouldn’t you be pissed?

  22. professorsparkles - Jul 5, 2012 at 1:50 PM

    I count about 39 “position” players who have a higher 2012 fWAR than David Ortiz has. 5 of them make more than 14.75 million.

    He is leading the league in Whining Above Average though.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 5, 2012 at 2:14 PM

      I count about 39 “position” players who have a higher 2012 fWAR than David Ortiz has. 5 of them make more than 14.75 million.

      I’m utterly shocked that people who get credit for defense can have a higher fWAR than a guy who doesn’t, and thus gets automatically docked, in a compilation stat. Shocked I tell you!

      /sarcasm off

      However, Ortiz is 8th in all of baseball in batting runs (2nd in the AL behind Josh Hamilton). He’s a really good hitter. If the Sox wanted to they could stick him at first and even with average defense he’d be worth a lot more.

  23. jcarne9014 - Jul 5, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    Every single last one of these guys needs to just shut the f%$k up! Humiliated, my ass. Every day we read about these spoiled brats complaining about money….really?! Are you serious?! By this time…EVERY SEASON…Ortiz and his peers make more money than most people will make in their ENTIRE LIFE! So, just shut up. Play your little game, cash your checks, and go home.

  24. tsshiro - Jul 5, 2012 at 8:14 PM

    The season is half over, he could have a really bad second half and then everyone will be talking about how old he is again

  25. airedale1950 - Jul 6, 2012 at 6:08 AM

    I’m sick of his pissing and moaning.
    He doesn’t stop…he sounds just like any one of the 12.5 million Red Sox fans paying his salary…baying at the moon incessantly.

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