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	<title>Comments on: 2012 midseason awards: NL MVP</title>
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		<title>By: scatterbrian</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-326157</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scatterbrian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2012 19:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fact that Votto has guys hitting .250 and .212 in front of him, and that he &quot;only&quot; has 47 RBIs is precisely why RBIs are a poor indicator of individual player value.

And just for the record, it&#039;s RBIs, not RBI. Whenever you pluralize an acronym, you add an &quot;s&quot; at the end. You don&#039;t rewrite the acronym.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that Votto has guys hitting .250 and .212 in front of him, and that he &#8220;only&#8221; has 47 RBIs is precisely why RBIs are a poor indicator of individual player value.</p>
<p>And just for the record, it&#8217;s RBIs, not RBI. Whenever you pluralize an acronym, you add an &#8220;s&#8221; at the end. You don&#8217;t rewrite the acronym.</p>
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		<title>By: escapingexile</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-325970</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[escapingexile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2012 07:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You didn&#039;t get that memo? It went out last year when Braun beat out Kemp.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You didn&#8217;t get that memo? It went out last year when Braun beat out Kemp.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-325880</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2012 00:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They would bat exactly as they do now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They would bat exactly as they do now.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-325879</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2012 00:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again, if you aren&#039;t going to bother to learn, why comment?

Currently, there are two approaches to estimate total value of all contributions of players.  They use slightly different metrics (especially for defense and for pitchers).  Again, they are two estimates.  Neither is perfect.  Each is far better than using traditional statistics in isolation or in combination.

When a person considers a group of traditional stats, they use their own personal and inconsistent algorithm (that they generally are completely unaware of) to view the totality of information and ascribe value.  For example, if you saw two player stat lines, you would look them over and decide which player you thought was better (i.e. more valuable).  People can&#039;t do that consistently across all stat lines....all WAR estimates are, are formalized linear combinations that ascribe values to player outcomes.  The values for outcomes are based on the effect those outcomes have on scoring or preventing runs, and are standardized to a level called &quot;replacement&quot;, which is a calibration based on how that type of player typically performs when called up from the minors. 

All WAR estimates are, is a formalized version of what everyone already does in their head, it is just far more consistent and based on far more information than anyone has at their disposal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, if you aren&#8217;t going to bother to learn, why comment?</p>
<p>Currently, there are two approaches to estimate total value of all contributions of players.  They use slightly different metrics (especially for defense and for pitchers).  Again, they are two estimates.  Neither is perfect.  Each is far better than using traditional statistics in isolation or in combination.</p>
<p>When a person considers a group of traditional stats, they use their own personal and inconsistent algorithm (that they generally are completely unaware of) to view the totality of information and ascribe value.  For example, if you saw two player stat lines, you would look them over and decide which player you thought was better (i.e. more valuable).  People can&#8217;t do that consistently across all stat lines&#8230;.all WAR estimates are, are formalized linear combinations that ascribe values to player outcomes.  The values for outcomes are based on the effect those outcomes have on scoring or preventing runs, and are standardized to a level called &#8220;replacement&#8221;, which is a calibration based on how that type of player typically performs when called up from the minors. </p>
<p>All WAR estimates are, is a formalized version of what everyone already does in their head, it is just far more consistent and based on far more information than anyone has at their disposal.</p>
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		<title>By: metalhead65</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-325807</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[metalhead65]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 21:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would love to see how these other guys who are better than votto bat with a guy hitting .250 and .212 in front of them. imagine how many rbi&#039;s he would have if people were on base when he came up to bat. lots of respect to mcuthen but Votto is the mvp.you know what you can do with your saber metrics that say otherwise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see how these other guys who are better than votto bat with a guy hitting .250 and .212 in front of them. imagine how many rbi&#8217;s he would have if people were on base when he came up to bat. lots of respect to mcuthen but Votto is the mvp.you know what you can do with your saber metrics that say otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: brewcrewfan54</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-325806</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brewcrewfan54]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 21:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Give me a break.   Batting average is batting average no matter what stat site you look at. A guy is batting .305 whether you look at it on ESPN or CBS.  Why is WAR different?  I know you think youre smarter than everyone else here but you&#039;re wrong here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give me a break.   Batting average is batting average no matter what stat site you look at. A guy is batting .305 whether you look at it on ESPN or CBS.  Why is WAR different?  I know you think youre smarter than everyone else here but you&#8217;re wrong here.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-325783</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 20:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is like asking how can batting average be taken seriously when values for OBP and SLG are different than for AVG.  Or how can RBI be taken seriously when the guy with the most RBI isn&#039;t the guy with the best average or SLG or OBP.  They are different estimates of value, that&#039;s it.  It isn&#039;t that hard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is like asking how can batting average be taken seriously when values for OBP and SLG are different than for AVG.  Or how can RBI be taken seriously when the guy with the most RBI isn&#8217;t the guy with the best average or SLG or OBP.  They are different estimates of value, that&#8217;s it.  It isn&#8217;t that hard.</p>
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		<title>By: mungman69</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-325774</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mungman69]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 19:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Too many stats. I never saw that first writers name in the Yankees box score.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too many stats. I never saw that first writers name in the Yankees box score.</p>
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		<title>By: madhatternalice</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-325767</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[madhatternalice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 18:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Must have missed the part where &quot;MVP&quot; was renamed &quot;Most Valuable Player for a Team That Makes the Postseason.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Must have missed the part where &#8220;MVP&#8221; was renamed &#8220;Most Valuable Player for a Team That Makes the Postseason.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: madhatternalice</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-325766</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[madhatternalice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 18:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One could also say it&#039;s the equivalent of one sticking their own fingers in their ears and going LA LA LA when someone tries to give them facts. You&#039;re spot on, PL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One could also say it&#8217;s the equivalent of one sticking their own fingers in their ears and going LA LA LA when someone tries to give them facts. You&#8217;re spot on, PL.</p>
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		<title>By: madhatternalice</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-325765</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[madhatternalice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 18:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, he&#039;s just a self-entitled idiot. Ignore him :)

It&#039;s gotta be McCutchen. No one else on the Pirates is even close to performing at his level: Stark had a great column writeup about this this week.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, he&#8217;s just a self-entitled idiot. Ignore him <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It&#8217;s gotta be McCutchen. No one else on the Pirates is even close to performing at his level: Stark had a great column writeup about this this week.</p>
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		<title>By: brewcrewfan54</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-325764</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brewcrewfan54]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 18:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So fangraphs and baseball reference both have their own version of WAR. How can WAR be taken seriously as a statistic when 2 different stat sites have a different formula to it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So fangraphs and baseball reference both have their own version of WAR. How can WAR be taken seriously as a statistic when 2 different stat sites have a different formula to it?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy T</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-325763</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 18:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wouldn&#039;t that be more on the GM?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t that be more on the GM?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy T</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-325762</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 18:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See, it&#039;s posts like this one that lead me to believe that you&#039;re actually just a brilliant satirist]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, it&#8217;s posts like this one that lead me to believe that you&#8217;re actually just a brilliant satirist</p>
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		<title>By: scatterbrian</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-325756</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scatterbrian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 17:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...followed by Alfonso Soriano in fourth. So, ahh… yeah.&quot;

Soriano earned his reputation as a poor defender at 2B, but he&#039;s rated well in most defensive metrics since moving to LF.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;followed by Alfonso Soriano in fourth. So, ahh… yeah.&#8221;</p>
<p>Soriano earned his reputation as a poor defender at 2B, but he&#8217;s rated well in most defensive metrics since moving to LF.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-325703</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 14:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d vote for Ruiz.  He&#039;s putting up those numbers as a catcher and defensive metrics for catchers remain pretty bad and generally are thought to undervalue catcher defense.

Still, there are a lot of great candidates at this point, Votto, Cutch, Ruiz, Braun, Wright, all have good cases at the mid-point.  There is no &quot;hands down&quot;, &quot;no doubt about it&quot;, &quot;easy&quot;, or &quot;clear&quot; choice at this point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d vote for Ruiz.  He&#8217;s putting up those numbers as a catcher and defensive metrics for catchers remain pretty bad and generally are thought to undervalue catcher defense.</p>
<p>Still, there are a lot of great candidates at this point, Votto, Cutch, Ruiz, Braun, Wright, all have good cases at the mid-point.  There is no &#8220;hands down&#8221;, &#8220;no doubt about it&#8221;, &#8220;easy&#8221;, or &#8220;clear&#8221; choice at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-325702</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 14:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is akin to saying, &quot;Ryan Theriot is an above average offensive 2B.  I don&#039;t care what the numbers say, you don&#039;t see his quality at bats and how tough an out he is.&quot;

Yes, there are better statistical estimates of offensive production than of defensive production, but the defensive metrics currently used &quot;see&quot; far more than you do and are far better estimates of defense than &quot;seeing a player every day&quot; (especially because most fans see only 1 of the 30 defenders everyday and generally have little basis for comparison).  

Ignoring the best available information, which is imperfect but far far better than the fan eyeball t est, in lieu of personal opinion is called willful ignorance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is akin to saying, &#8220;Ryan Theriot is an above average offensive 2B.  I don&#8217;t care what the numbers say, you don&#8217;t see his quality at bats and how tough an out he is.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, there are better statistical estimates of offensive production than of defensive production, but the defensive metrics currently used &#8220;see&#8221; far more than you do and are far better estimates of defense than &#8220;seeing a player every day&#8221; (especially because most fans see only 1 of the 30 defenders everyday and generally have little basis for comparison).  </p>
<p>Ignoring the best available information, which is imperfect but far far better than the fan eyeball t est, in lieu of personal opinion is called willful ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Reggie's Bush</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reggie's Bush]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 13:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[D Wright, hands down]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D Wright, hands down</p>
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		<title>By: taskforcefreddy</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-325687</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[taskforcefreddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 12:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although other players are having better numbers, you have to respect what Ryan Braun is doing this year after having his name destroyed last season. No one in the league is being subjected to the number of random drug tests as Braun (as many as 4 per week at times) and he continues to produce incredible numbers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although other players are having better numbers, you have to respect what Ryan Braun is doing this year after having his name destroyed last season. No one in the league is being subjected to the number of random drug tests as Braun (as many as 4 per week at times) and he continues to produce incredible numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: thefalcon123</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thefalcon123]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 12:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lineup protection is a myth
Re: anyone of 8the billion studies on the subject]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lineup protection is a myth<br />
Re: anyone of 8the billion studies on the subject</p>
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		<title>By: tyler200829</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-325683</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tyler200829]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 12:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guys this is isn&#039;t even close....it&#039;s votto all the way no doubt about it. Reds will win the division pirates will fall apart, they&#039;re just on a cute little streak hop off hismd piece and give it to the best hitter in the game....with no help]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys this is isn&#8217;t even close&#8230;.it&#8217;s votto all the way no doubt about it. Reds will win the division pirates will fall apart, they&#8217;re just on a cute little streak hop off hismd piece and give it to the best hitter in the game&#8230;.with no help</p>
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		<title>By: otis52gsh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[otis52gsh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 12:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cabrera do t even belong in this conversations]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cabrera do t even belong in this conversations</p>
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		<title>By: mj1818</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mj1818]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 12:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EXACTLY.  You don&#039;t watch the pirates every night,  he is NOT an average defensive center fielder.  I don&#039;t care what numbers say, put cutch in left and someone else in center and the downgrade would be detrimental to the betterment of the team.  He is an above average center fielder, he just doesn&#039;t get the exposure because of the market he is in.  I have watched almost every game to know how much the defense would suffer if he wasn&#039;t in center.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EXACTLY.  You don&#8217;t watch the pirates every night,  he is NOT an average defensive center fielder.  I don&#8217;t care what numbers say, put cutch in left and someone else in center and the downgrade would be detrimental to the betterment of the team.  He is an above average center fielder, he just doesn&#8217;t get the exposure because of the market he is in.  I have watched almost every game to know how much the defense would suffer if he wasn&#8217;t in center.</p>
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		<title>By: btwicey</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 12:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can pretty much say that about half the beast hitters in the league... Granted cozart and his 15 walks a year don&#039;t help...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can pretty much say that about half the beast hitters in the league&#8230; Granted cozart and his 15 walks a year don&#8217;t help&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: whodeytn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[whodeytn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 11:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How great would it be if Votto had a real hitter or two before him in the lineup? God I hate Dusty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How great would it be if Votto had a real hitter or two before him in the lineup? God I hate Dusty.</p>
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		<title>By: btwicey</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-325657</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[btwicey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 07:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Darwin Barney&#039;s name was in this post. I skip straight to comments .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darwin Barney&#8217;s name was in this post. I skip straight to comments .</p>
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		<title>By: dan1111</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 06:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;What could the Pirates really do to stop them?&quot;  I love that bit.  The Yankees are going to send their thugs over to Pittsburgh, throw McCutchen in a van, and drive off.  Sorry, nothing you can do about it, Pirates!

McCutchen is a better player than Cargo (he of the .750 OPS away from Coors field).  And Justin Upton is far more valuable than Span.  Not that it matters, since the real plans start at E.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What could the Pirates really do to stop them?&#8221;  I love that bit.  The Yankees are going to send their thugs over to Pittsburgh, throw McCutchen in a van, and drive off.  Sorry, nothing you can do about it, Pirates!</p>
<p>McCutchen is a better player than Cargo (he of the .750 OPS away from Coors field).  And Justin Upton is far more valuable than Span.  Not that it matters, since the real plans start at E.</p>
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		<title>By: nightrain42</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-325654</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nightrain42]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 06:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree....Cutch is the MVP of the first half at least. Easy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree&#8230;.Cutch is the MVP of the first half at least. Easy</p>
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		<title>By: florida76</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/07/2012-midseason-awards-nl-mvp/comment-page-1/#comment-325653</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 05:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uh, no. Cutch isn&#039;t going anywhere, ergo the long term contract he signed before the season. As for the midseason MVP rankings, I always get nervous whenever people only go by stats to determine the leaders. One must factor in the protection in the lineup, and Votto has more help in that regard than Cutch. I also get nervous when people don&#039;t watch enough baseball and go by questionable statistics, Andrew is definitely an above average centerfielder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, no. Cutch isn&#8217;t going anywhere, ergo the long term contract he signed before the season. As for the midseason MVP rankings, I always get nervous whenever people only go by stats to determine the leaders. One must factor in the protection in the lineup, and Votto has more help in that regard than Cutch. I also get nervous when people don&#8217;t watch enough baseball and go by questionable statistics, Andrew is definitely an above average centerfielder.</p>
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		<title>By: randygnyc</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 05:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yankees should just take him.  Additional compensation for AJ Burnett.  What could the Pirates really do to stop them?  It&#039;s the Yankees were talking about.  Pirates should be flattered that we even know who they are.  (this is plan B, if we can&#039;t take Cargo.  Plan C is Span.  Plan D is J Upton)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yankees should just take him.  Additional compensation for AJ Burnett.  What could the Pirates really do to stop them?  It&#8217;s the Yankees were talking about.  Pirates should be flattered that we even know who they are.  (this is plan B, if we can&#8217;t take Cargo.  Plan C is Span.  Plan D is J Upton)</p>
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