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Tim Lincecum was shelled again

Jul 8, 2012, 4:55 PM EDT

San Francisco Giants v Pittsburgh Pirates

It’s not often a guy can give up six runs in three and a third innings and say that he improved over his last start, but Tim Lincecum can. Five days after giving up eight runs in three and a third innings to the Nationals, Lincecum went out today against the Pirates and gave up six runs in three and a third.

Not that this “improvement” is cause for celebration, for it simply means that Lincecum’s nightmare season shows no sign of stopping.

The Giants went on to lose, and Lincecum is now 3-10, making him the Giants’ first 10-game loser at the break since Barry Zito in 2007.  His ERA is now up to 6.42 and his WHIP up to 1.58.

And now that he’s matched Zito in one way, it’s time to ask a question about him that has often been asked of Zito over the years: how much longer can the Giants just keep running him out there?

  1. vallewho - Jul 8, 2012 at 5:00 PM

    He needs a change of scenery.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Jul 8, 2012 at 5:10 PM

      They would be selling at the lowest possible point though. Any team trading for him would be taking a gigantic gamble. I haven’t seen him pitch this season. Anybody out there that has, what is going on with him? Is it velocity? Command? Both? Furthermore, what pitches has he been getting hit on?

      • Baseball Beer Burritos In That Order - Jul 8, 2012 at 6:20 PM

        Have heard that now that he lost a few ticks on his fastball, people are ignoring the breaking stuff and just waiting for the offspeed pitches.

  2. ironcity6pak - Jul 8, 2012 at 5:04 PM

    Look at Burnett, was a head case in NY now look at him. Keep it buco’s were proud be fans again.

    • danrizzle - Jul 8, 2012 at 6:31 PM

      “Look at Burnett, was a head case in NY…

      So, Dr. ironcity6pak, I see you are hardly insusceptible to the proliferation of armchair psychologizing of sportswriters. Tell me, what exactly makes a “head case” other than struggling on the mound?

  3. jrd8523 - Jul 8, 2012 at 5:47 PM

    He’s not going anywhere. If he was on a year by year contract he would be non-tendered next year. Serious doubts the Giants could get something that would make eating his salary for another team worth it. You would have to account for 7 million more than AJ Burnett was owed. The Giants did well to keep the commitment to 2 years and no FA years.

    • Francisco (FC) - Jul 9, 2012 at 8:30 AM

      Keep in mind that it was Timmay who has insisted on going almost year to year. The Giants very much wanted him to sign a 3+ year deal until now.

  4. Gonzo - Jul 8, 2012 at 5:47 PM

    Ship him to the bullpen for a couple of weeks. Gotta get him outta this funk.

  5. polegojim - Jul 8, 2012 at 5:56 PM

    Or Trade him to Colorado… with his ERA, he’d be one of their BEST starters!!!

    Rockies pitching = a perennial joke that just keeps giving!!!

  6. randygnyc - Jul 8, 2012 at 6:01 PM

    Has there ever been such a dominant pitcher, with multiple Cy awards, have their abilities disappear so quickly, without injury? I don’t recall any.

    • annaalamode - Jul 8, 2012 at 10:49 PM

      Are we sure there is no injury? Is it possible there is some underlying medical issue the Giants aren’t talking about? Didn’t he indicate some kind of elbow soreness/elbow problem in spring training? It’s just such an abrupt ending to an elite career that I continue to believe that some kind of underlying medical issue may exist that isn’t public knowledge.

      Or maybe he’s just washed up. Who knows?

      • Francisco (FC) - Jul 9, 2012 at 8:29 AM

        It’s not all over for Timmay, not by a long shot. Even Doc had a terrible season when he was even sent to the minors to get his mojo back.

      • Alex K - Jul 9, 2012 at 9:45 AM

        The thing is, FC, Doc was 23 and only (I believe) in his second full season in MLB. Lincecum is 28 and has two Cy Young awards. The situations aren’t very similar.

  7. mbhrick1 - Jul 8, 2012 at 7:19 PM

    Lincecum has the abilities. His confidence is shot. He needs to be helped. As another commenter mentioned, other pitchers have speed bumps along the way, and pitch their way out of it. Zito in the off season got help from well known pitching coach Tom House, and it has helped him remain cool in tough situations. It might be a good idea to get him some help on his off days, or skip him once on the rotation, but he needs to work it out. Almost all pitchers lose velocity, so they have to adapt. Obviously, A.J. Burnett is an example that it can be done. Rick

  8. andrewproughcfe - Jul 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM

    Could be that Lincecum just got hammered by the highest scoring team in baseball since June 1, and the team with the best record in baseball since May 12 – the Pirates.

    • djpostl - Jul 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM

      Look at his game log then understand why we all laughed at that.

      his entire year, save a handful of starts versus the padres of the world, have been a blend of “meh” and “ouch, that hurt”

  9. riverace19 - Jul 8, 2012 at 9:44 PM

    Quit making excuses. He’s been “hammered” by MLB except the Dodgers who put up soccer scores. It’s gone right now. He’s like a once awesome engine that lost a few cylinders. He needs to go in the shop during the off season for a complete rebuild.
    I think the only thing the Giants CAN do is move him to the pen.

    • andrewproughcfe - Jul 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM

      No, this is truly just what the Pirates do to teams right now. They’ve scored double-digits in 4 of the past 12, and 7+ runs in 10 of the last 22. They are just going out and crushing starting pitchers.

      Andrew McCutchen is on fire. Look at his numbers: June – BA .370, OPS 1.096, 40 hits, 26 RBI. July – BA .500, OPS 1.288. He’s got 36 RBI since June 1.

      • djpostl - Jul 9, 2012 at 12:56 AM

        Of course, 17 of those games were teams under .500 and only one series was versus a team who’ll be in contention in September (2 if Detroit gets its act together)

  10. vincentbojackson - Jul 8, 2012 at 10:16 PM

    His teammates should start by holding him down and giving him a haircut.

    • meteor32 - Jul 8, 2012 at 11:55 PM

      Worked well on Goliath.

      • number42is1 - Jul 9, 2012 at 9:47 AM

        do ya mean Sampson? Goliath was slew (slain?) by David with a slingshot between the eyes… he was also a Giant so i can see your confusion

      • meteor32 - Jul 9, 2012 at 1:50 PM

        Yeah. I was pretty tired when I wrote that and I’m a good for nothing long hair anyway.

  11. Florio_Jr. - Jul 9, 2012 at 12:50 AM

    He’s baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!!!!! Yeah, right.

  12. personalspaceinvader - Jul 9, 2012 at 4:31 AM

    Count me as another spectator waiting for an “injury” that requires some down time for Timmy. It’s possible that he just has the “yips” or “dead arm” or any number of made up baseball injuries.

  13. loungefly74 - Jul 9, 2012 at 9:00 AM

    it’s painful to see Timmy like this. hmmm…all he and the Giants can do is keep going to the mound, don’t trade him, etc…assuming he is not hurt…hopefully he can rebound…we will see.

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