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It’s the tenth anniversary of the All-Star Game that ended in a tie

Jul 9, 2012, 9:12 AM EDT

Selig Hands Up

As I lamented last week, the All-Star Game counts now. It shouldn’t given how much a of a circus it is from a purely competitive baseball standpoint, but it does count.  And today is the tenth anniversary of the thing that led to this state of affairs: the ugly 2002 All-Star Game which ended in a tie when each side ran out of players.

Chris Jaffe has a remembrance of that over at The Hardball Times today. It just warms my heart to recall a game reaching the end of regulation play with only Vicente Padilla and Freddy Garcia available and hitters like Jose Hernandez and Tony Batista taking the key at bats. Star power, baby.

The thing about it: Bud Selig’s solution of making the All-Star Game count for home field advantage has done little to change the approach of the All-Star Game managers. Sure, there are now safeties in place to ensure that teams can reuse position players and hold pitchers in reserve, but the underlying dynamic which led to the trouble — managers trying to give everyone playing time and all the truly great players being showered and gone by the time the game reaches the late innings — still reigns.

  1. Old Gator - Jul 9, 2012 at 9:28 AM

    Having the allstar game “count” was easily the dumbest and surely the least equitable of all of Bud Light’s legion imbecilities. Making the entire grueling season-long work of the team that finishes the season and survives the playoffs with the best record count for nothing, dependent instead on the crapshoot of a single exhibition game that might well be won or lost thanks to players who aren’t even on that best-record team, is a complete, utter, unadulterated crock of shit. Only a skull full of shit could have thought it up.

    • umrguy42 - Jul 9, 2012 at 10:36 AM

      C’mon, OG, don’t hold back, tell us how you really feel!

      • Old Gator - Jul 9, 2012 at 10:46 AM

        Sorry. I’m just shy and non-assertive by nature.

    • paperlions - Jul 9, 2012 at 11:06 AM

      Having the ASG “count” is silly, but matters little.

      Instituting a hardcap for the draft and capping spending on international FAs will have a far bigger and more negative effect on MLB.

      • alang3131982 - Jul 9, 2012 at 12:18 PM

        I’m mostly new school on how baseball should do things (replay and whatnot) and confused by how Bud helps the game (rather than simply the owners), however i dont mind that the ASG “matters.” Why not? I mean before HF advantage was decided by alternating years. Maybe, once we get wide-scale interleague play schedules wont be as diffuse to award HF to the team with the best record. It’s certainly not a perfect solution, but I dont think it ruins the integrity of baseball, the play-offs or the ASG. Right? Just seems like somethign that isnt bad, isnt all that good, but ultimately does no harm….

      • Francisco (FC) - Jul 9, 2012 at 12:48 PM

        however i dont mind that the ASG “matters.” Why not?

        Because there’s a far better way of doing it. It’s called win-loss record. We already do it to seed the teams for the regular playoffs, doing it for the WS is just the logical next step.

      • alang3131982 - Jul 9, 2012 at 1:55 PM

        How is that far better? Many teams play incredibly unbalanced schedules. You want to reward a team for playing in, say, the AL Central against inferior competition than the AL East. Further, what about an NL team? If they finish with the best win/loss record, do they get home field, when it is clearly documented that the AL is a superior league? So, how is that far better? It’s rife with holes. Aside from producing a balanced schedule there is simply no “fair” way of awarding home field advantage. If it’s unfair how can one be “better,” it can be preferable based on what you like, but it’s entirely subjective at that point…

      • comanchepilot - Jul 9, 2012 at 5:39 PM

        there is no way to make a competitive schedule in advance – given the preseason rosters the Mets stunk and the Sox were in First Place . . . so if you give the Sox a competitive schedule they end up in last place and the Mets in first – oh wait.

  2. jarathen - Jul 9, 2012 at 9:28 AM

    They only needed one thing, then and now, to make sure this didn’t happen.

    If you run out of pitchers, the manager must take the mound. And if you run out of hitters, they must be replaced by members of the coaching staff.

  3. kopy - Jul 9, 2012 at 9:33 AM

    Following this game, the minor league St. Paul Saints, who are notorious for controversial promotions, gave away neck “ties” (get it?) with Bud Selig’s face on them at the gate. It made me so happy.

    • Old Gator - Jul 9, 2012 at 9:37 AM

      Having Bud Light’s decomposing face staring phlegmatically out at you from a necktie is pretty awful. Then again, at least it isn’t Kevin Youkilis.

      • Gamera the Brave - Jul 9, 2012 at 11:07 AM

        Oy, OG, AGAIN with the Youkilis hate-on?
        Did he drown your kitten or something?

      • Old Gator - Jul 9, 2012 at 1:57 PM

        Hey, what, you rise to the defense of the official gorgonzola of the Chicago White Sox and you don’t even comment on the fluffy kaiju theme of my “And That Happened” lead post today? That was just for you, man.

        But okay, if the aesthete in me irks your tender sensibilities, I’ll stick with dumping on Meerkats until the next legitimate excuse to be snide about Youkilis. Which is fine, really, because I hate meerkats. I mean, I really hate meerkats.

        Hate them.


  4. joecool16280 - Jul 9, 2012 at 9:43 AM

    Any chance Roger Goodell can commish MLB as well? Just seems like MLB can be so much better w/o Selig. It’s like he doesn’t want any changes on his watch just so he can say it didn’t happen on his watch. Which is exactly why they need new blood and a new way of thinking in there.

    • heyblueyoustink - Jul 9, 2012 at 9:49 AM

      Imagine the creative suspensions he could come up with.

    • CJ - Jul 9, 2012 at 9:54 AM

      well, given that Stern vetoes trades because he feels like it, and Goodell suspends people without substantive proof, I’m not sure a current commish of another sport is the way to go.

      I’d rather them make it like some sort of MLB fan drawing like how they do the fan cave thing. MLBN’s next ‘reality series’: Commish for a Week. Can’t possibly be any worse than the status quo.

      • heyblueyoustink - Jul 9, 2012 at 10:35 AM

        So we’re taking a page from the WWE handbook? While we’re at it, can we make Stone Cold Steve Austin an umpire? Go ahead, argue balls and strikes, see where that gets you.

      • nightman13 - Jul 9, 2012 at 4:50 PM

        I would take out a second mortgage to see A-Rod get the business end of a Stone Cold Stunner

    • nightman13 - Jul 9, 2012 at 10:59 AM

      I used to be a fan of Goodell, but not anymore. He and the owners are focusing far too much on making money than doing what is best for the game. Can’t wait to see 17 players break long standing records this year while watching games with scores like 45-42. Keep pandering to casual ADD-ridden fans NFL and you’ll end up like the NBA…yes that league still exists.

      • paperlions - Jul 9, 2012 at 11:12 AM

        Yeah, because it is Goodell’s fault that players can’t seem to tackle without launching themselves at the target. If players would form tackle, like players used to and like most players do in college, many of the rules to try to prevent major injuries wouldn’t be necessary.

        The concussion thing is unavoidable, when the brain rattles around that often over a long career, it is going to be damaged no matter what protective equipment one uses….so, what do you want? A league that ignores player health or one that keeps players healthy longer? It isn’t like the players seem concerned with player health/safety…they’ve been fighting it tooth and nail for years now.

      • nightman13 - Jul 9, 2012 at 12:39 PM

        Whoa there big fella, I’m not talking about safety rules, I’m on board with those. I’m talking about the rule changes for downfield contact that have turned the NFL into the arena league.

  5. unlost1 - Jul 9, 2012 at 9:48 AM

    who else can’t believe it was that long ago?

  6. stratomaticfan - Jul 9, 2012 at 10:09 AM

    Amazing how a game whose rules stipulate that you play until there is a winner is declared a tie. Just another in a long line of stupid ideas brought to you from the mind of Bud Selig. Why give the fans what they want and make the game better? Let’s take an exhibition game, make it mean something, then determine the rosters as if it’s still an exhibition game. MORONIC. If it counts, it should be 25 man rosters. No expectation that everyone plays. The best players should be there (no fan vote). And no mandatory representation (other than the host city). Otherwise let it be a foofy exhibition where “everyone gets a trophy” and determine the WS home field by something logical, like best record…or league with best interleague record. C’mon Bud…get your head out of your tush.

    • Old Gator - Jul 9, 2012 at 10:19 AM

      Women have tushies. Men only have tushies until they become too heavy for their mommies to pick them up and bite them there. Bud’s head is up his ass.

      • cur68 - Jul 9, 2012 at 11:44 AM

        My 3 year old nephew is visiting. I shall make sure he is appraised of these physiological facts going forward. . .once I get off my ass.

  7. bigleagues - Jul 9, 2012 at 12:12 PM

    Can we have a moment of silence?

    Oh wait, I never cared that much for the old All-Star game either.

    What I do care about is that MLB still employs a gimmick that has about as much integrity as Bernie Madoff . . . not that he was ever linked to baseball or anything.


  8. sc101071 - Jul 9, 2012 at 12:54 PM

    I don’t really see any problem with playing as many players as you can. They are all All-Stars. It’s like like you’re bringing Brooks Conrad off the bench.

    Especially given how the starters are picked on popularity only anyway.

  9. 1historian - Jul 10, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    How about this – nobody gives a s..t

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