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Shame on MLB if Marlins operate like this

Jul 12, 2012, 2:35 PM EST

Andrew Heaney AP

And to the MLBPA, too, for signing away draftees rights in the last CBA.

There’s a good chance this is all just posturing ahead of the Friday 5 p.m. deadline, but several sources are reporting that the Marlins have ended negotiations with No. 9 overall pick Andrew Heaney out of Oklahoma State. The reasoning; Heaney appears to be holding out for the MLB produced slot value of his pick, $2.8 million, while the Marlins are offering less.

So, Heaney is left with the choice of taking less money than MLB decided he was worth where he was picked or going back to school or pitching in indy ball and risking losing a couple of million dollars if he gets hurt.

And this is where major league teams have way too much leverage right now; the Marlins can lowball Heaney knowing that they’ll be compensated with the 10th (or 11th or 12th) pick in next year’s draft if they don’t sign him.

The Marlins aren’t lacking for funds, and what they’re doing now is probably all part of the negotiating process. But if the reports are true, Heaney isn’t asking for anything excessive. This isn’t a Mark Appel situation, where the pitcher wants more than the team can offer. It’s simply a team wielding more power than it should have been given in the first place.

  1. metalhead65 - Jul 12, 2012 at 2:41 PM

    just awful that a team will not give a guy who has not played a inning of professional ball what he demands. the poor guy will just have suffer with a few thousand less than what he wants. how will he ever survive?

    • nategearhart - Jul 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM

      Why shouldn’t he expect to get paid what the industry says he is worth? It’s not like he pulled a number out of his ass.

    • stlouis1baseball - Jul 12, 2012 at 3:04 PM

      “just awful that a team will not give a guy who has not played a inning of professional ball what he demands.” Ummmm….he isn’t making “demands.” The slot value (SET BY MLB) is $2.8.
      He is set to make $2.8. Again…cause’ it is the value established (BY MLB).
      Sometimes I think you intentionally post nonsensical, argumentative, negative things for the sole purpose of racking up the thumbs down. Seriously…no one can be this negative Metalhead.

      • metalhead65 - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:17 PM

        first of it is not the set amount it is the allocation or the most they can pay him. that does not mean they have to pay him that much. now he can ask for that much but that does not mean they have to pay him that much. and it looks like they are not which is their right as is his right not to take it. now since this is his chosen field he can either take what they offer him or go back to school and choose a different major than baseball. then when he graduates he can try and get a job in that field at the price they are paying or find another job. just because they can pay him what he wants does not mean they have to just like the jobs in the real world. now that may seem argumenative to you but that is how the real world works. say you have not had a raise at your job in a year or 2 and demanded a raise or more than what they were willing to pay,what happens to you? you either quit your job if they don’t fire you for asking and in these times who does that? or you take what they give you and shut up!

      • Kevin S. - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:23 PM

        Actually, it isn’t the most they can pay him either. It’s simply how much they get added to their draft pool for having that pick. They can split the money up among their other picks however they’d like. If they had gone over the allocation for some of their later picks and couldn’t pay him the allocation for this pick, that would be one thing, but they’re just being too cheap to use their entire draft pool.

    • thefalcon123 - Jul 12, 2012 at 3:08 PM

      So Metalhead,

      Let’s pretend you’ve graduated and it’s time to enter the workforce. You have a PhD in your field, you’re one of the best and the brightest. But instead of being able to choose amongst the top companies, all of these company’s decide a “draft” is the best way to handle it. You get drafted by Johnson and Johnson and either have to negotiate exclusively through them or go work in a gas station for $7.25 an hour. Now, most people in your field would earn a salary of, say $100k. Johnson and Johnson offers you $40k.

      Now, your only options are to work a much lesser job or take very far below market value or go work at the gas station for $7.25 an hour and try again next year. Not through any fault of your own, but because of decisions made by people you never, ever met.

      Still seem fair?

      • deathmonkey41 - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:35 PM

        thefalcon123 – Jul 12, 2012 at 3:08 PM
        So Metalhead,

        Let’s pretend you’ve graduated and it’s time to enter the workforce. You have a PhD in your field, you’re one of the best and the brightest. But instead of being able to choose amongst the top companies, all of these company’s decide a “draft” is the best way to handle it

        Have you seen the job market lately? There’s PhD’s stocking shelves at Home Depot. I see what Metalhead is saying- many people are struggling to get by and don’t necessarliy want to shed tears for a guy that wants to make 2.8mil, but is only getting offered 2.6mil.

      • nightman13 - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:37 PM

        Hey let’s not all gang up on Metalhead here there’s plenty of people that totally support big businesses with almost unlimited resources stomping on the working man(woman)s’ throats just because they can.

        That being said, I am not one of them. So I totally agree with Falcon, Kevin, Nate and StLouis. The Marlins are being d-cks.

      • alang3131982 - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:46 PM

        here’s the bottom line. If this was a true free market, Heaney would be able to negotiate with other teams.

        What metalhead is doing is siding with the team, the corporation, the entity that makes millions of dollars a year. It’s like choosing AT&T over one of their employees. It’s a joke that just because Heaney cant negotiate with any comparable businesses he is locked into working with the Marlins, who can back him into a corner knowing they’ll get a similar pick next year. It’s a wealthy organization picking on the little guy who has very few options. It’s silly and ridiculous.

      • madhatternalice - Jul 12, 2012 at 11:50 PM

        I agree that MLB’s CBA is really, really awful in this regard. (Of course, calling it a “slot allocation” means that a team can actually spend however much they want, no question.) Blame the CBA, don’t blame the Marlins.

        But seriously? We’ve seen “suppose you enter the workforce” arguments here before, but this is by far the dumbest and most “stretchy” to be seen. Never mind that the analogy doesn’t even work (companies holding a draft? really? that’s the best you can come up with?), but you paint it in such stupid pictures: “earn 40K or earn $7.25 an hour.”

        The problem that I have with your comment is the sheer stupidity of “all or nothing” that you seem to ascribe to this situation. Let’s suppose that Heaney doesn’t sign. Forget Matthew’s article above: he’s awful about stirring the pot. Why would he earn less money next year, if he doesn’t sign this year? Reasons could be:

        -Next year’s class could be stronger (which, I agree, would suck for Heaney, but if he continues to perform this well, he’ll earn his payday);
        -He pitches worse next year than he did this year, which could show he wasn’t worth the money to begin with; or
        -He gets injured, which means he’d have to rehab it on his own dime, and not on the Marlins’ dime.

        Above all else, though, is this simple fact: it’s Loria’s money. Maybe they don’t like his health. Maybe they don’t trust his fastball. Loria doesn’t have to say why, and we can speculate all we want, but the bottom line is, it’s not your money that Heaney would make.

        Why is it when a player holds up a team for more money, that’s OK, and when a team overpays a player, it’s all LOL WTG PLAYER, but when a team doesn’t pay a player, all of a sudden it’s OMG THE TEAM IS AWFUL!?

        Seriously, though, please stop with the workforce arguments. Thanks in large part to the CBA (which, I have to remind everyone, was ratified by the players union), MLB is nothing like the private or public sector workforces. Can you really not see the difference here?

    • jetstizzi85 - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:42 PM

      why draft the guy if you knew you werent going to pay what the value for him is? The Marlins have always been cheap when it comes to spending money (minus a couple years here and there) and have been in trouble in the past with MLB with NOT spending their money.

    • bigmeechy74 - Jul 12, 2012 at 5:35 PM

      Guess what, If you are good enough to get drafted that high you deserve to be compensated. You understand that professional athletes can do things that 99.999% of people cant do right? And people pay to see them for that reason. And they generate millions of dollars for their franchises and leagues. It’s simple economics and he isn’t asking for anything extravagant. Use your brain.

    • nbjays - Jul 13, 2012 at 7:25 AM

      It’s not like the Marlins have been playing a whole lot of “professional ball” themselves this year…

  2. Brad Hill - Jul 12, 2012 at 2:41 PM

    According to Kevin Goldstein on Twitter, slot for the pick was under $2.0 million last year, and the $2.8 million isn’t the suggested slot for the ninth pick, it’s the allocation.

    • Ben - Jul 12, 2012 at 2:47 PM

      Whether they’re ripping off Heaney or not, the teams appear to have too much leverage in this process. The pendulum swung too far in the other direction. I’m sort of fine with draft picks getting paid way too much–for 90% of these guys, this is the only substantial check they’ll ever receive for playing baseball.

      • Jason - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:11 PM

        The average adult man with a BA degree or higher makes $1.8 million dollars in his lifetime. I find it hard to cry too much if this guy doesn’t get the full amount that the MLB says he’s worth.

      • Kevin S. - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:24 PM

        The average adult man doesn’t have the faintest possibility of providing the amount of value to his employer that Heaney does. Stop comparing baseball players to other fields.

    • scottp9 - Jul 12, 2012 at 3:04 PM

      Comparisons to last year’s pick or slot are irrelevant, because it was a different system last year. Under the old system, a lot of the best talent slipped due to signability concerns, so the ninth pick was probably not the ninth-best talent. This new system is supposed to fix that. The more appropriate comparison would be to the ninth highest bonus in last year’s draft – anybody got that?

    • stlouis1baseball - Jul 12, 2012 at 3:05 PM

      Alright…I am confused. What is the suggested slot then? If $2.8 is the allocation what are they suggesting for the slot price?

      • bloodysock - Jul 12, 2012 at 3:29 PM

        Slot money/bonus $/allocation is $2.8 million for the 9th slot.

        How much have the Marlins spent from their total pool? That may be the issue but it shouldn’t be Heaney’s problem that the Marlins spent their pool differently (if that is in fact the case).

        Pay the kid his money.

  3. schlom - Jul 12, 2012 at 2:44 PM

    Wasn’t Heaney a bit of an overdraft? Baseball America listed him as the 17th overall prospect. Plus as a college senior he has zero leverage. Also you might not realize this but of the picks ahead of him only one signed for more than slot, Albert Almora of the Cubs for $650k more, and one other signed for the slot number, Max Fried by the Padres. The other four signed picks, including the top 3, all signed for less than slot.

    Knowing all that, is it unreasonable for the Marlins to expect him to sign for less?

    • Ari Collins - Jul 12, 2012 at 2:53 PM

      The Marlins didn’t get any extra leverage from the new CBA. They would have had the extra pick next year under the old CBA. The only difference is that next year’s pick would bring compensation now if they failed to sign that one as well, but that’s not a great deal more leverage.

      Basically, Heaney is demanding the Marlins pay him like the 9th pick, even though he wasn’t the 9th best guy in the draft. It’s an overdraft, and they wanted to pay him less, and he’s asking for more. No one’s really to blame here, except maybe the Marlins for thinking they could get him to sign cheap when that is, clearly, not true. And for not ponying up the money anyway; the difference of a few hundred thousand dollars isn’t a big deal to a club, not when $2.8MM is a great value for a draftee as well.

      • Ari Collins - Jul 12, 2012 at 3:00 PM

        tl;dr:

        Leave the new CBA alone! (At least in this case.)

    • Old Gator - Jul 12, 2012 at 2:56 PM

      To have a tough negotiating position, no, that isn’t unreasonable. For the kid to have no options about negotiating with another team, yes, that’s unreasonable. I agree with the other correspondent here who hopes one of these kids will get some legal backing behind them and go after the constitutionality of this bogus antitrust exemption that MLB has pimped out of its whores in Congress.

      • schlom - Jul 12, 2012 at 3:02 PM

        This appears very similar to the Padres and their first round pick in 2010 Karsten Whitson. The Padres took him hoping, or maybe expecting, that he’d sign for less than the recommended slot value. Unfortunately for the Padres they either never talked to him about or he changed his mind. I’m wondering if this is a similar situation as he’s not a pitcher than anyone would expect would hold out for the full allocated amount.

      • Ari Collins - Jul 12, 2012 at 3:15 PM

        The new CBA isn’t really much more evil to the draftees than the previous one, but yeah, it’s still some pretty evil monopoly sh!t.

  4. stex52 - Jul 12, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    I thought the CBA looked ugly in this respect when it was signed last winter. The record of MLBPA is already shameful with regard to taking care of young players vs. big time veterans getting ridiculous bucks. Nothing new there. But I am very surprised that all of the owners thought this was such a good deal.

    Some kid with sufficient backing should really sue on the anti-trust exemption. Those guys get away with murder.

  5. dbick - Jul 12, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    I almost always side with the kid in these situations. These guys are taking a huge risk forgoing college to go play baseball. The odds are not in their favor and if they don’t make the bigs then they’re just some guy in their late 20’s/early30’s with a high school diploma and no other work experience. Don’t blame them for trying to get as much money as possible early.

  6. simon94022 - Jul 12, 2012 at 2:50 PM

    Let’s stipulate that the Marlins under Loria and his stepson are one of the most shameless, bush-league organizations in major league history. Rivaled only by Charlie Finley.

    But who says the MLB slot recommendation is a guaranteed minimum offer? By this logic, a team can always choose to go over slot with a draft pick, but never less. How is that fair?

    This kid is a prospect. He’s never done anything in pro ball and maybe he never will. Yet he’s going to sign for a small fortune and be financially set for life, whether the Fish go up to slot or not.

    My heart does not bleed for this kid. Sorry.

    • js20011041 - Jul 12, 2012 at 3:23 PM

      $3 million’s a lot of money, but the idea that anyone given that amount of money in their early 20’s is going to be set for life is naive.

      • stlouis1baseball - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:04 PM

        JS: 3 Million in your late teens, early 20’s, late 30’s…etc… It doesn’t matter.
        If handled wisely…they will be set for life.

      • js20011041 - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:14 PM

        If, by handle wisely, you mean invest it and never spend a penny on anything, then yes, I agree with you. But that’s not the way the world works. The point of making money is to spend it. Within your means, yes, but what’s the point of earning that $3 million contract if you don’t get to enjoy any of it?

      • Jason - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:17 PM

        Like I said earlier, the average man with a BA degree or higher makes $1.8 million in their lifetime. Do you even understand the economic climate in the world today? How are people feeling bad if a kid makes $3 million and doesn’t ever get a pay check again? Hire somebody to invest your money and you’re set.

        That being said, greedy teams are awful too. In talks about money in baseball I hardly shed a tear for either side.

      • Francisco (FC) - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:21 PM

        Give me $3 MM, I can enjoy plenty just spending a small piece of it and investing the rest. This notion that $3 MM is not enough to be set for life boggles the mind. What exactly are your expenses that $3 MM isn’t enough?

      • stlouis1baseball - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:22 PM

        That’s not what you stated…or I stated.
        You stated $3Million would allow someone to be set for life.
        Specifically…someone in their 20’s.
        Do the math on the annual interest only $1Million will generate you.
        And I am talking the most conservative rates. This is an investment.
        You still have another $2Million. So…do the Math on the annual interest of $2Million.
        You sill have $1Million left if the first two were banked.
        Hell yes you invest. Then you spend your money FROM said investments.
        That is precisely how the world works.
        You would be amazed at what you can live on with no Mortgage or Vehicle payments.

      • js20011041 - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:43 PM

        Ok, you guys are basing your argument on theory, I’m basing my argument on reality. How many people have the discipline to do precisely that, especially at that age? How many lottery winners that win far more than $3 million dollars and are broke within a year. I’ve never had a problem living within my means, but then again, I’ve also never had $3 million sitting in my bank account. I’m sure that investing it and living off the interest is much easier said than done.

      • clydeserra - Jul 12, 2012 at 7:08 PM

        he can play in any baseball league he wants. Only MLB will pay him the big bucks.

        $2.8 M, less taxes, less agent fees, for a 20 year old won’t get it done for life. Its better than most sure, better than me, but not for life.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM

      But who says the MLB slot recommendation is a guaranteed minimum offer?

      Do you understand what the slot in slot recommendation means? A team whose negotiating strategy is not come close to slot isn’t negotiating in good faith.

  7. danaking - Jul 12, 2012 at 2:53 PM

    The player is allowed to ask for money over the slotted value; why can’t team offer less? It comes out to a zero-sum game for the draftees. If the team goes over slot for one, that money has to come out of the bonuses someone else receives.

    I’m almost always on the players’ side in such questions, but this is the exception. On the other hand, I don’t think the Marlins should get compensation if they refused to offer the slotted value, either. They just forfeit the pick.

    • stex52 - Jul 12, 2012 at 2:57 PM

      Agreed. You don’t get compensation for failing in a negotiation. They’re not supposed to negotiate in advance, but everyone always knows which kids are going to be easy or hard to sign in advance. If the team wants to risk a lowball or a risky signing, that’s their problem.

    • CJ - Jul 12, 2012 at 3:05 PM

      that’s a very intriguing idea: no compensation if you offer below slot and the guy refuses. But that would punish the high school kids that almost certainly wouldn’t sign. Some slipped in the draft this year due to signability concerns already, and if signing them by overpaying slot in later rounds essentially prevented a team from signing it’s #1 pick (the extra cash over slot for the HS kid has to come from somewhere), then that punishes the team.

      I think this is one of those no win situations with the way the draft is structured, which is why it’s a stupid rule to essentially put a salary cap on the draft that’ll make it difficult for smaller markets to catch up with the big boys.

      • danaking - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:18 PM

        It’s the same issue teams have in sports with a salary cap. You have so much to spend; where do you want to spend it?

      • CJ - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:22 PM

        that’s oversimplifying just a tad. There are far more dynamics in play in the MLB draft than in any other. If you leave early and can’t agree to a deal in the NBA or NFL, for example, you can’t go back in the draft. You’re ineligible and that’s the end of it.

    • paperlions - Jul 12, 2012 at 3:06 PM

      That is the missing element from the CBA. Teams should get no compensation if they don’t offer a least slot.

      If a team doesn’t have a good idea what a player would want before they draft him, that’s on them.

    • js20011041 - Jul 12, 2012 at 3:38 PM

      I disagree. Because of the draft, Heaney has zero leverage here. His choice is to either accept whatever offer the Marlins put in front of him, or go play independent ball somewhere and delay his development for a year. He is not able to negotiate with any other teams. The reason that this is a zero sum game for the players is that the owners have rigged an already unfair (and should be illegal) system to be even more unfair for the players. Others have already stated the case against a draft and I certainly agree with them. But the owners have taken the system that already provides them with an incredible discount on the serivices of these players and tightened the screws even further.

      • sandy102270 - Jul 12, 2012 at 5:57 PM

        He could always sign a 2 year contract to play in Mexico, Japan or Taiwan, then be a free agent when that contract expires and be able to negotiate whatever the market will bear. He’d probably get a better contract then the slot value too.

        Let’s not make it sound like he has no options whatsoever other than to play in a Saturday bar league.He has some leverage.

  8. gloccamorra - Jul 12, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    Well, see, I’m old enough to remember when a kid named Carl Yastrzemski signed for an outrageous $100,000 bonus. The Boston press even referred to him as “the $100k bonus baby”, at least until he won his first batting title. At the time, $100,000 was what the Red Sox were paying Ted Williams, and adjusted for inflation, it’s about $820,000 today. Yaz turned out to be worth it and made millions over a long career, unlike Todd Van Poppel.

    That’s the point – there’s no guarantee, and it’s enough money that if you won it in the lottery, you’d probably pay your mortgage, buy a new car and retire. Also, the next time you think teams are loaded with cash, reflect on where it came from while eating your $7 hot dog and sipping that $9 beer at the ballpark where you paid $18 for one of the cheap seats.

    • js20011041 - Jul 12, 2012 at 3:51 PM

      I’m not sure if this is the point you’re making, but if you’re tying the prices of hotdogs and tickets to player salaries, I’m going to stop you right there. The reason teams charge so much for tickets and concessions is because they know we’ll pay it. Player salaries could drop to minimum wage tomorrow and I promise you the prices we pay for tickets, hotdogs, and beer wouldn’t change. The only way ticket and concession prices go down is if we stop buying them.

      • danaking - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:22 PM

        You’re right, but I think the point still applies. The owner didn’t come up with that cash out of pocket. It came from the proceeds of the business. True, in theory he could keep it, but it’s not that simple in practice.

  9. steve7921 - Jul 12, 2012 at 3:28 PM

    Did Matt White and JD Drew become free agents because thier teams did not at least offer them a minimum contract? Was that clause taken out of this CBA?

    I think this is posturing but I think this sounds like a legal nightmare for MLB….force a player into a draft but then the team that drafts you doesn’t even offer a contract? Something doesn’t sound right there…..

    • stlouis1baseball - Jul 12, 2012 at 3:38 PM

      JD refused to sign with Philadelphia. He played in the Independent League for a year and then was back in the draft the following year.

    • schlom - Jul 12, 2012 at 3:46 PM

      There were four players who managed to get declared free agents after the 2000 draft from a loophole found by Scott Boras (who else) because they weren’t offered contracts within 15 days of their selection. They were Travis Lee, Matt White, John Patterson, and Bobby Seay.

  10. sportfan23 - Jul 12, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    Dont hate the player, hate the game. Blame the CBA, MLB and MLBPA for agreeing to the system. Don’t blame the Marlins for doing what they can under the current agreement.

  11. randygnyc - Jul 12, 2012 at 3:49 PM

    Players/draftees have the right to accept or refuse all offers, for any reason. Could be money, the plan of usage, geographical or organizational outlook. Teams should also be able to exercise similar rights. And in this particular circumstance, we don’t know the specifics of the negotiations. Perhaps the agent has leaked a story that is completely untrue. That would be a first…….

    Still, the Marlins may feel that the first 10 or 15 players next year are all considerably better than than what they have now. Strategically, a no brainier. We shouldn’t forget MLB is a business first.

    • js20011041 - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:00 PM

      If that’s how the Marlins felt, they should have just forfeited the pick. Instead they took a kid with no leverage and fucked him. If he was a high school senior, it’s still dirty, but at least the kid has the option of attending college. But to take a kid who has no other options and not offer him a fair contract is ridiculous.

  12. sorryimbusypolishingmy6lombardis - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:14 PM

    You people can;’t have it both ways! Which is worse, what the Marlins are doing with this kid, or what Appel/Boras are doing to the Pirates??? If kids don’t want to live out their dream, play in the majors, sign a contract for a few million bucks to play a game, try to hold the drafting team over a barrel, then screw’em!

    • js20011041 - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:27 PM

      The Pirates are hardly being screwed. If Appel doesn’t sign, then they get the 9th pick in next years draft in addition to their first rounder. They knew that was a risk when they drafted him. I’m not going to fault any player for going for as much money as possible in what could be his only big payday. What the Marlins are doing to Heaney is immeasurably worse. To use the phrase “hold the drafting team over a barrel” is to imply that the player in this situation (Appel) has leverage, which couldn’t be further from the truth. Appel is in a situation in which he is unable to negotiate with other teams and must accept what the Pirates offer or go back to school and risk injury or underperformance.

  13. echech88 - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    Wow….loophole or not, you’re going to have a lot of kids who seriously reconsider which sport they want to commit to out of high school if this becomes a common thing.

  14. cobrawolf - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:19 PM

    Does a team that gets extra pick next year get more money in their draft pool?

  15. Kevin S. - Jul 12, 2012 at 4:21 PM

    I definitely agree that if teams want draft-pick compensation for failing to sign a player they should have to submit a bid for that pick’s allocation, the same way that they have to extend a qualifying offer to a free agent if they want compensation for him leaving.

    • stlouis1baseball - Jul 12, 2012 at 5:17 PM

      Absolutely…if you want compensation (in the form of a draft pick) for failing to sign a player you should be required to offer the allocated amount for that particular pick.
      To do otherwise would be “having your cake and eating it too.”

  16. metalhead65 - Jul 12, 2012 at 6:44 PM

    you are all right! I totally missed the point of this being another case of the man keeping somebody down! how dare they not give him the 2.8 million dollars instead of the 2.6 or whatever chump change he is asking! just dispicable on the malins part not to just toss thier money on a kid who may or may not make the majors and justify that type of investment and millions more once his contract is up. we should be able to tell the rich man how to spend his money. nobody forced to the kid to play baseball whose owners are very rich guys and set up the rules on how to play the game. you do not wish to accept the millions they are offering you then don’t sign and do something else for a year or with the rest of your life but do not expect me to feel sorry that you are unhappy with not getting the full 2.8 million. as for me or somebody else getting a job with a phd and being stuck with whatever the company offered have you looked for a job lately? again just because somebody has the money to offer you does not mean they have to. it is their money and they get to decide how much you get paid,you don’t like it then get in another line of work that pays you what you want. I have had jobs where you get your cost of living increas of of.05 cents week and nothing else but can’t do anything about it since there were no other jobs out there that paid more that were hiring. you suck it up and deal with it . again you will never get me to feel one bit sorry for a guy who has a chance to make 2 million a year but whines it is not enough. if you are 19 or 20 and can’t be set with that amount then you are hopeless. if you invested half of that and used the rest on whatever you wanted you should never lack for money again.

    • js20011041 - Jul 12, 2012 at 8:11 PM

      Metalhead, you just don’t get it. It doesn’t matter how much money is at stake here. That part of it is irrelevant. The problem is that the system is completely skewed against Heaney and his leverage amounts to precisely dick. Loria knows that and is using it to offer a substandard contract. Besides that point, why exactly is Heaney being greedy here? He’s an (I’m assuming) unwealthy kid negotiating against a multimillionaire owner. Isn’t Loria being just as greedy? If you’re going to fault him, you have to fault anyone, and I’m talking everyone from ditch diggers to doctors, for negotiating their salary. That is the logical endpoint of your argument. If you can’t see that then hold on for a second while I have my friend Tommy come back there and hit you in the head with tack hammer because you are a retard.

      On a side note, I have never understood the jealousy associated with how much professional athletes make. Could someone please explain it to me? This is something that might have applied to me as a child, but as an adult, you realize that we’re all just out here trying to make a living. I won’t ever fault anyone for trying to make a better living, excepting those (cough, Loria) that do so at the expense of labor.

      • kcksufan - Jul 12, 2012 at 10:53 PM

        I don’t think there is a jealousy of how much athletes make, its how much money they turn down. Its the problem here, they are offering to make a completely unproven player a multimillionaire and he is saying its not enough. And to your other point, he does have leverage. Teams only have so much money to spend on draft picks and if they don’t sign a certain pick then they lose the money allotted to that particular spot, $2.8 million in this case, to spend on the group of the top 10 picks. If they are overslotting any of the other players and trying to make up for it by underslotting him and he doesn’t sign then they will be losing a 1st rd pick next year.

      • sandy102270 - Jul 12, 2012 at 11:01 PM

        I have no problem with someone negotiating for what they feel they’re worth at all, and if Heaney feels he’s worth $2.8M, then he should hold fast to that demand.

        But I think you’re taking an extremist view toward leverage and who can or should use it js.

        Why is it wrong for the Marlins to do so, as you say, at the expense of labor, but it is perfectly acceptable for Heaney to not budge off his demands for the full slot salary or for another draftee to use college as leverage to get more money out of a team?

        Seems like a double standard to me.

  17. thegonz13 - Jul 12, 2012 at 8:22 PM

    Par for the course for Jeffrey Loria and David Samson. I’m just surprised they didn’t ask the city or Dade County to pay for the kid’s contract…

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