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It sounds like Bobby Valentine has lost the clubhouse

Jul 13, 2012, 10:30 AM EDT

Bobby Valentine

Gordon Edes of ESPN Boston has a story up today that makes it sound like Bobby Valentine has lost the Red Sox clubhouse. He has cool relations with his coaching staff, Edes reports, and he has lost the support of the veterans, assuming he ever had it:

David Ortiz publicly stated his support recently for the manager, but another respected player on the team said privately that it was all for show. That same player has gone weeks without speaking to Valentine and said that the manager does not have the support of “anyone” in the clubhouse … Valentine went out to the mound in Chicago for a visit with his pitcher, and all the infielders joined him for the conference except star second baseman Dustin Pedroia, who remained at his position.

Edes ads that players are grumbling about the Youkilis trade and that they are taking complaints about Bobby Valentine to GM Ben Cherington. Who, quite obviously, was not on board with the Valentine hire in the offseason, but rather had it foisted on him by team president Larry Lucchino.

It’s hard to know what really goes on in a clubhouse and, it’s worth noting, these stories always exist because someone has an ax to grind and seeks out the media to help him grind it.  The other side — where there is harmony — doesn’t get reported, at least at first.

But to the extent there is something bad going down inside the Sox’ clubhouse, it would not at all shock me if this is a logical extension of how Terry Francona was treated last year. The coaches with whom Valentine is reportedly having trouble were Francona assistants. The veterans all reportedly liked Francona.  He was thrown under a friggin’ bus and, though it’s not Bobby V’s fault that happened, he’s the guy who is going to get the cold shoulder.

If the Sox turn this around competitively and win despite the strife, all of this will be viewed with some amusement like the 1977 Yankees or it will turn into some coming together narrative. If the Sox lose, though, it’s gonna be ugly, ugly, ugly.

  1. hwentworth - Jul 13, 2012 at 1:16 PM

    He lost Red Sox Nation months ago.

    • borninfellspoint - Jul 14, 2012 at 4:26 AM

      Soooo glad to have Buck…. instead of that schmuck Bobby V. Go Orioles!

    • cjbdelaney - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:53 AM

      Absolutely. He needs to go along with Luchino, Beckett, Lackey, Lester, and Daisuke. Let Cherrington GM and let’s see what happens!

  2. jtchernak - Jul 13, 2012 at 1:58 PM

    I am a red sox fan an these players are weak we have absolutely 0 personality except for Ortiz the players don’t have fun or goof around that’s part of this problem

    • 1byrd - Jul 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM

      Perhaps…. just perhaps…. an egocentric putz manager has a wee bit… a WEE bit… to do with the players not enjoying a wonderful sport

  3. timpaz - Jul 13, 2012 at 2:23 PM

    I guess all the prima donnas like Predoia miss Francona kissing their ass, grow up and earn your huge salaries, though it couldn’t happen to a better team , GO Yanks

    • bw1980 - Jul 13, 2012 at 4:22 PM

      Cano still crying crocodile tears about the AS Game? Couldn’t have happened to be a btter player on a better team.

      • bigharold - Jul 13, 2012 at 4:45 PM

        “Couldn’t have happened to be a btter player…”

        Cano’s not bitter, .. he smiles all the time. And, I’m guessing he’s smiling because his career isn’t being wasted in KC. No small wonder he’s happy!

  4. teambringitstrong - Jul 13, 2012 at 2:41 PM

    BoSox; that was a bad hire. Last year on ESPN Sunday Night Baseball, BV spent the entire broadcast throwing insults and the Dodgers organization even though this was a game between SF and Cincy I believe. He sounded petty, childish and bitter all b/c he didn’t get consideration for the Dodger gig 2 years ago that went to Mattingly.
    The Red Sox deserve better than a recycled person who has lost his self respect and now team.

  5. proudliberal85392 - Jul 13, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    It goes back to what Casey Stengel said about how to achieve success as a manager. “There’s 25 guys on a baseball team. 10 love you, 10 hate you, and 5 don’t care. The trick is to keep the 10 who hate you away from the 5 who don’t care.”

    • jjpetes - Jul 13, 2012 at 4:07 PM

      Hadn’t heard that before, but I like it.

  6. patsandsox - Jul 13, 2012 at 3:03 PM

    If the Sox players hadnt quit on Tito they wouldnt have to be crying now. I bring this up just to bring the reality back to this situation. They made this mess by stinking for an entire month. Tito said he couldnt reach them anymore and that maybe another voice was needed.

    why anyone thought Bobby was the answer is still troubling. He does do good with bullpens, and finding diamonds in the rough, but he does not treat the overpriced underperforming stars with the same way Terry Francona did. He does not kiss their butts and provide excuses for them when they mess up. Bobby expects them to play like the stars they are paid to play like. This is a big no no in todays world. Thats why he is called an old school manager and why he will get sacked because they will lay down and roll over on him like they did on Terry.

    My question is whey will the sox star players be actualy held acountable? How many managers down the road?
    Becket and Lackey should have been shown the door at the end of the season. It looks like Lester wants to pout his way out of town, trade him now while he has some value. Same on down the line….

    • wonderkt - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:56 PM

      The players are clearly the biggest problem. However, Bobby V has alienated every group of coaches and players he ever managed. So, while placing sole blame on him is silly, hiring him to fix an already dysfunctional ball club is even sillier.

  7. spankygreen - Jul 13, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    continued poor luck and disarray for this racist team, town and city……..boy do I dislike anything Boston, dating back to the day when the white guy claimed a black guy robbed him and his pregnant wife and what ensued was totally racist behavior from a racist police department only to find out the white, greedy dude shot his own wife, and jump from a bridge to his death……I REALLY HATE BOSTON……..

    • boston992 - Jul 13, 2012 at 5:55 PM

      Hey Spanky, why don’t you take your hatred someplace else. You don’t know the first thing about Boston, and I don’t care if you do live there, you’re WRONG. And by the way, this is a freaking sports page, why are you bringing race into this discussion? This has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with the Red Sox trying to salvage the season. And if you don’t live in Boston, do me a favor, don’t ever come here, your biggoted hatred is not welcome.

    • badintent - Jul 14, 2012 at 2:08 AM

      Jessie Jackass JR is hiding in Zona, he’s a coward, and a liar ! He got his job from Obombo’s cronies and the Governor who’s now in jail. His own Demoheads congress buddies want his butt out now. ! Pathetic. And the guy can’t ball ! Karma.Sucker MC

  8. rcali - Jul 13, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    Lots of babies on this Red Sox team. Kind of embarrassing.

  9. giantssb42champs - Jul 13, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    They can fix this. First step is bringing in Bloody Sock Schilling as the CFO.

    • wonderkt - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:51 PM

      Schilling couldn’t manage a video game comapny and you want him to run a major league baseball operation. Since I hate the Red Sox, I’m all for it!!!

  10. hushbrother - Jul 13, 2012 at 7:29 PM

    You don’t know that Cherington was “obviously” not on board with hiring Valentine. Further, it was Cherington who traded Youkilis, not Valentine.

    It’s almost certainly true that Pedroia is not pleased with the front office for the way it treated his old cribbage opponent, and he may well be feeling cool toward the new guy. But that doesn’t mean it’s an unsalvageable relationship. In any case, with Pedroia it may apply what Whitey Herzog said about George Brett – that he was the only player he ever knew who didn’t need a manager.

  11. impistoff - Jul 13, 2012 at 8:53 PM

    You can’t lose something that you never had ! The team is a joke…starting with the three stooges who run it !!!

  12. ejannetta - Jul 14, 2012 at 7:29 AM

    Bobby V. was a terrible hire, even for the BUMSUX. Think about it, the guy couldn’t
    find a managers job in MLB until Boston came along……couldn’t happen to a nicer team..
    they deserve each other….LOL.

  13. capone888 - Jul 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM

    “Sounds like Valentine lost the clubhouse”…..Did he ever have it?

  14. koreanfandeath - Jul 14, 2012 at 10:24 AM

    He should go back into the clubhouse wearing a fake mustache and sunglasses. He could do a complete 180 on all his clubhouse policies and complain about what a raw deal Youkilus got.

  15. spankygreen - Jul 14, 2012 at 1:14 PM

    Boston992, Don’t worry about me visiting your fine city. Never going to happen. By the way there is nothing biggoted about my statement, only a factual comment. By the way, in case you haven’t noticed, Race Matters… the book by Cornel West.

  16. giantssb42champs - Jul 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM

    “How come stories like this only come out of Boston?”

    The NYC media would salivate if they had this sort of material to work with. Problem is, Gerardi has the Yankees clubhouse under control and the Mets have no interesting personalities or star power.

  17. fightingirish2012 - Jul 14, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    It’s probably time for the Red Sox to break up this group of players. They have had a great run, but it’s evident that the players are running the team. Bobby V needs an opportunity to bring in his own guys and coaches. If not, he is finished.

    This is a franchise that dropped 330 million dollars on two hitters last year. What a joke!

  18. themanwhoneverreturned - Jul 15, 2012 at 11:15 AM


    Valentine and Lucciano. Two goombahs.
    Get rid of Valentine NOW
    Consider Veritek for the job.

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