Comments on: Marlins sign No. 9 pick Andrew Heaney for $2.6 million http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/marlins-sign-no-9-pick-andrew-heaney-for-2-6-million/ Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball. Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:19:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Jeremy Fox http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/marlins-sign-no-9-pick-andrew-heaney-for-2-6-million/comment-page-1/#comment-329634 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:30:27 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181497#comment-329634 Um, how much he earns in future arbitration and contracts has nothing to do with his signing bonus. He’ll now earn $200,000 less over the course of his career than he would have if he signed for $2.8 million. I mean, sure, if he pitches well, he’ll earn much more than $2.8 million over the course of his career–but that’s true even if he’d signed for nothing, or even paid a team to give him a chance.

I’m not saying anyone should shed any tears for him. But history says he’s unlikely to make it big in the Show; even high draft picks often fail to pan out. So of course he’s going to try to get as much as he can in his one guaranteed payday. Which is much less than he could once have expected to get, because the new system gives teams much more leverage. Given that teams and owners are much richer than the players, and that draft signing bonuses have always been a small fraction of the budget of even the small-market teams, I don’t see why teams need so much leverage. I can see why they *want* it, but I don’t see why they *need* it.

]]> By: skipperxc http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/marlins-sign-no-9-pick-andrew-heaney-for-2-6-million/comment-page-1/#comment-329485 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:47:18 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181497#comment-329485 Is there any reason to believe that MLB got wind of this story, called up Loria, and twisted his arm a bit so he’d make a more reasonable offer? I hate it when I sound like a conspiracy theorist, but they’ve has had to force the Marlins to spend money before, most notably extending Josh Johnson.

]]> By: js20011041 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/marlins-sign-no-9-pick-andrew-heaney-for-2-6-million/comment-page-1/#comment-329400 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 18:32:03 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181497#comment-329400 I’m right there with you randy. We all know that labor unions are evil and sit somewhere between naziism and communism. How dare workers stand up for themselves and attempt to have better pay, better benefits and better working conditions. We all know the American thing do do is to work for peanuts and smile about it. These people should be lucky they’re even allowed to breathe the same air as as our mighty “job creators.”

]]> By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/marlins-sign-no-9-pick-andrew-heaney-for-2-6-million/comment-page-1/#comment-329331 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:09:35 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181497#comment-329331 Oh I know, I just don’t agree with it. It’s one thing if we kept the sensationalism to specific sites like TMZ or that Perez Hilton assclown, but when major media sites do the same thing, there’s no escaping it =\

]]> By: joshfrancis50 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/marlins-sign-no-9-pick-andrew-heaney-for-2-6-million/comment-page-1/#comment-329318 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:01:26 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181497#comment-329318 Its almost as though the Marlins understood the leverage they held and applied it towards a deal to their benefit. Tricky bastards.

]]> By: Old Gator http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/marlins-sign-no-9-pick-andrew-heaney-for-2-6-million/comment-page-1/#comment-329273 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:41:08 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181497#comment-329273 Since when is an unsigned college player “labor” at all? Is there a shadowy, Illuminatus-like association of college ballplayers hiding behind the curtains and pulling invisible wires? And by what stretch of the imagination is an association of multimillionaires like the Player’s Association even a “union” in the traditional sense? Come on now.

]]> By: heyblueyoustink http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/marlins-sign-no-9-pick-andrew-heaney-for-2-6-million/comment-page-1/#comment-329263 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:35:21 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181497#comment-329263 Outrage is what sells, Church. I don’t think it’s intentional, per sei, but for a while now people have just been conditioned to react in polarizing fashion when there’s outrage.

Just look at the amount of commentary on the original post regarding this, and then the amount of commentary that ends up on this one.

]]> By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/marlins-sign-no-9-pick-andrew-heaney-for-2-6-million/comment-page-1/#comment-329233 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:13:42 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181497#comment-329233 Also per callis:

]]> By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/marlins-sign-no-9-pick-andrew-heaney-for-2-6-million/comment-page-1/#comment-329231 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:12:06 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181497#comment-329231 Here’s another list of just unsigned players with a countdown clock, courtesy of Jim Callis

http://ht.ly/cdyfS

]]> By: randygnyc http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/marlins-sign-no-9-pick-andrew-heaney-for-2-6-million/comment-page-1/#comment-329213 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:02:27 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181497#comment-329213 The problem here was, IMO, we only heard one side of the story, through the players agent. I suspect most of it was untrue. But all the defenders of “big labor” grabbed their torches and pitchforks and began with the their thuggish behavior defending the little guy. ALL UNIONS SHOULD BE BUSTED, NOW!!!!

]]> By: proudlycanadian http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/marlins-sign-no-9-pick-andrew-heaney-for-2-6-million/comment-page-1/#comment-329204 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:56:23 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181497#comment-329204 Thanks. It looks as if 3 (Oak, Mets Plils) second round picks and 2 (Miami and Oak) third round picks still haven’t signed. Will Miami use the $200 they saved on their unsigned third rounder (Avery Romero).

]]> By: sportsdrenched.com http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/marlins-sign-no-9-pick-andrew-heaney-for-2-6-million/comment-page-1/#comment-329197 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:52:59 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181497#comment-329197 So, Church, where should we point our loaded semi-automatic pent-up-anger Ire weapon next?

]]> By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/marlins-sign-no-9-pick-andrew-heaney-for-2-6-million/comment-page-1/#comment-329141 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:22:54 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181497#comment-329141 not sure if this will work, but the bolded players are the ones who have signed, so: Gausman (Hou), Appel (Pitt), Giolito (Wash), and Shaffer (TB) are the only remaining unsigned picks

http://www.baseballamerica.com/draftdb/2012xrnd.php?rnd=1

]]> By: kopy http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/marlins-sign-no-9-pick-andrew-heaney-for-2-6-million/comment-page-1/#comment-329138 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:21:08 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181497#comment-329138 Some guys sign a little over-slot, and some for a little under. There were several others early in the draft that signed under, the Marlins just grabbed headlines with their hard, public stance. Heaney was a bit of a reach at No. 9, anyway.

]]> By: proudlycanadian http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/marlins-sign-no-9-pick-andrew-heaney-for-2-6-million/comment-page-1/#comment-329136 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:19:49 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181497#comment-329136 Aaron, could you give us another rundown about who still hasn’t signed?

]]> By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/marlins-sign-no-9-pick-andrew-heaney-for-2-6-million/comment-page-1/#comment-329132 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:18:15 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181497#comment-329132 Ugh, this story could be used as a referendum against the current social media. 15 years ago we don’t hear anything about this, the player signs and everyone is happy. Now, one report by Jim Callis has the Marlins not even close to offering slot value, then [I think] Jeff Passan is saying they are arguing over $2.6M ($200K difference). Everyone gets up in arms, names thrown around, etc. In the end, prospect signs, everyone should be happy but…

]]> By: ptfu http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/marlins-sign-no-9-pick-andrew-heaney-for-2-6-million/comment-page-1/#comment-329131 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:15:25 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181497#comment-329131 Pitch well, Andrew, and you’ll easily earn back that $200K in arbitration and later contracts.

]]> By: ajcardsfan http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/marlins-sign-no-9-pick-andrew-heaney-for-2-6-million/comment-page-1/#comment-329101 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:55:57 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=181497#comment-329101 Glad to see he didn’t royally f***ed over by the Marlins.

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