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Bobby Valentine can’t shut up about Kevin Youkilis

Jul 15, 2012, 12:50 PM EDT

Bobby Valentine AP

Kevin Youkilis has been all class since the Red Sox traded him away to Chicago. Bobby Valentine, well, not so much.

Taking questions Sunday before Youkilis’ return visit to Boston this week, Valentine said: “The comment I made early, he made a big deal of. And I don’t think he ever wanted to get over it.”

Well, of course he didn’t. His brand new manager decided to go spouting off to the media about his commitment to his team and his job as a whole.

What Valentine said back in April was that, “I don’t think he’s as physically or emotionally into the game as he has been in the past for some reason.”

Even if Valentine was right about that, blabbing about it was hardly the smart approach. Although it seems Valentine eventually got his way; Youkilis was traded for a very modest return last month.

As for what has happened since, Valentine said he expected Youkilis to produce for his new team.

“I haven’t seen him play,’’ he said. “He’s gotten a lot of hits, played a lot of games. It seems like he’s healthier.’’

Asked if he was surprised that Youkilis appeared healthier, Valentine responded: “Not surprised. As a matter of fact, Maggs (hitting coach Dave Magadan) said he had no doubt if he went somewhere else he’d play better.’’

  1. churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 15, 2012 at 12:56 PM

    Dear Bobby V, this is how you talk about departed players. Take some class lessons from Youk:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/20866/kevin-youkilis-letter-to-red-sox-nation

    • natslady - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:00 PM

      That is one great letter.

    • KR - Jul 15, 2012 at 4:05 PM

      Yeah, that is a great letter.

      As far as Bobby V goes… well, I’m not surprised. Leave a couple words off the post title: “Bobby Valentine Can’t Shut Up”, and the HBT guys could just repost it every other day or so.

      • dcfan4life - Jul 15, 2012 at 6:59 PM

        Why doesnt anyone feel this guy is a great manager. Every team he alienates players. Then gets fired. I mean he had translators in Japan, won championships and was still pushed out.

  2. 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Jul 15, 2012 at 12:58 PM

    Everybody knew Youk would play better once he got out of that circus.

  3. mornelithe - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    Oh so Bobby V had absolutely no encouragement from the media to say anything about Youkilis whatsoever? Or…did someone ask him a question and he responded truthfully, just like earlier in the season when he made the comments that Youk had a problem with?

    The media, can’t shut up about Bobby V, and Youkilis for that matter. It’s pretty well known that Bobby V speaks his mind. End of story.

    • Kevin Gillman - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:16 PM

      @mornelithe You don’t blame the media on this, because ANY manager can either say no comment, or I wish him the best, and not say another word. But Bobby V has his ego, and well, Bobby has to make it seem like he was right all along, but here is the truth…Youkilis has 2 WS rings, and Bobby? He has 0. That says it all, right there.

      • mornelithe - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:25 PM

        I blame the media for expecting Bobby V to suddenly be a different person. Only an idiot expects a different result after getting the same one a thousand times over. That’s simply an unrealistic expectation. And stop the presses, it’s happened again.

        Is it really his ego, that has him responding? Seriously? What ego, he manages a high payroll team that simply finds a way to under-perform most nights. And by the way, Youkilis was on a TEAM that won 2 WS Rings, he didn’t do it himself, stop acting like Youkilis was the only person there. That’s the problem with this TEAM, too many entitled, egotistical, self-centered panzies who have no concept of the camaraderie of the 2004 team.

        You holding Youkilis up so very high, after an abysmal 2.5 years, says it all. I’m really happy that he went somewhere he was needed daily, but his performance on the Red Sox of late, certainly deserved at least SOME recognition.

      • Kevin Gillman - Jul 15, 2012 at 2:29 PM

        So you won’t put the blame on the Red Sox, for even hiring this idiot? It’s pretty bad when his claim to fame isn’t leading the Mets to a National league pennant in 2000, but he is more known for being thrown out of the game, and wearing a ridicluous disguise. You don’t think he has an ego?

        I will agree with you on one thing though, the Red Sox really have changed since their 2004 season, but it has nothing to do with Youkilis. Kevin doesn’t lash out on the media, like other Red Sox players do. He thanked the Red Sox, and their fans for giving him so many great seasons. I call that class, let’s see if Josh Beckett ever does that if he were to leave.

      • paperlions - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:28 PM

        What ego? What ego? No one has a bigger ego than Valentine; there may be people that have the same size ego, but no one has a bigger one. Sadly, his ego doesn’t match any of his abilities, he’s not as smart as he thinks he is, and he’s not as good a manager as he thinks he is.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:30 PM

        You holding Youkilis up so very high, after an abysmal 2.5 years, says it all.

        Abysmal? One what planet do you live?

        ’10 – .307/.411/.569 for a .419 wOBA and 159 wRC+ (4.1 fWAR)
        ’11 – .258/.373/.459 for a .366 wOBA and 126 wRC+ (3.7 fWAR)

        Both of those years he didn’t play a lot because of injuries, and this year I’ll give you he was bad for the Sox. But in the 100 games in ’10 and 120 games in ’11 he wasn’t even close to abysmal, more like above average.

      • mornelithe - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:34 PM

        Sorry, I should’ve said 1.5 years, not 2.5 years, you’re correct, my bad there.

      • paperlions - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:43 PM

        He had a bad 6 weeks and Valentine, who just showed up, was a giant asshole about it. The result is that the RS traded away a player that likely has plenty left in the tank for no return whatsoever.

        I wouldn’t be shocked if Valentine not only sticks around (because, let’s be honest, it was Lucchino that hired him), but inserts himself more and more into personnel decisions, which will likely represent a tremendous step backward.

    • paperlions - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:18 PM

      It doesn’t matter what someone asks you, you can never blame your response on the questioner. If he is answering truthfully, then what he thinks is dumb and he isn’t accepting any blame for the situation he created. The fact that he doesn’t see anything wrong with saying such things to the media (who, of course, will print it), just compounds the issue.

      • mornelithe - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:26 PM

        I don’t necessarily blame the media for asking, I do blame the media for expecting a different response and then acting like it’s a surprise. That’s really all.

      • sabatimus - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:40 PM

        Precisely. And since Bobby V will continue to run his mouth, the media will continue to be right there to ask him such questions in hopes of getting more dirt.

  4. pisano - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:04 PM

    When they hired him you had to figure he wasn’t going to last very long, he’s very outspoken, and he immediately started degrading some of his players. I tend to believe he won’t see the end of his contract, and he has no one to blame but himself. This is probably going to be his last managerial job, as he tends to burn all his bridges.

  5. randygnyc - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:06 PM

    Oh come on already, Bobby. Just say it. You didn’t want a Jew on the team.

  6. louiespoon - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:07 PM

    This manager is so disingenuous….

  7. mikeincmn - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:12 PM

    Valentine being hired was a joke from the start and thats how his run will be remembered. The only thing that might help him stay longer than he should in his job is ownership wont want to admit they made a massive mistake so soon after firing Tito.

  8. 1historian - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:22 PM

    “The media can’t shut up about Bobby V.”

    True

    What do do?

    Bobby – stfu

    problem solved

  9. skeleteeth - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:23 PM

    Purchased a Youkilis Red Sox t-shirt last night @mlb.com for $6.97. Well worth it.

  10. jmmsr1 - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:23 PM

    Bobby V the village idiot mumbles again. What a farce.

  11. lawrinson20 - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:24 PM

    Valentine: I just don’t ‘get’ him. The conflict comes from all the discussion of his ‘alleged’ intelligence. When you hear that, you naturally expect certain things. But, the manner in which he seems to communicate about things betrays those assumptions.

    So, i gave V the benefit of the doubt in the original Youk comments. But, his way of ‘explaining himself out of the hot soup’ wasn’t very convincing. Almost as if he weren’t really trying to explain away the comments. And, now — well after Youk has been purged from the team — he STILL can’t find a way to show some grace in the matter? It’s inexplicable.

    And, it’s inexcusable. If i’m a current member of the team, i’m surely thinking V threw Youk under the bus, and now he’s keeping his foot on his throat, to KEEP him under the bus. Youk still must have friends on the team. But, even that doesn’t matter. This just shows V isn’t a protector of his squad. Doesn’t ‘have their backs.’ Will betray them at any turn.

    I’ve been reading the constant ‘reports’ and rumour of the dissent and issues in the clubhouse. The 2012 clubhouse. And, i sometimes react with a bit of “oh, c’mon” when the issues seem to be petty. A recent story involved the players been peeved because V doesn’t post the lineups early enough for them. To that, i say, “deal, you spoiled bastards.” But, when RELATIONSHIPS and LOYALTIES are the crux of the matter, all the little stuff is magnified exponentially.

    V simply makes no sense. Going back to that ‘intelligence’ — i keep giving him the benefit of the doubt, as if his communicative missteps are part of some master plan. But, the plan/s seem to be shots to the foot, and it’s tough to imagine how it will all pay off in the end. So, i’m done with the benefit of the doubt. I’ve got to assess the issues for what they are, on an individual basis. And, in this instance, V is dumb, dumb, dumb.

    • paperlions - Jul 15, 2012 at 2:44 PM

      Bobby V is about one thing and one thing only: Bobby V

      He is not about winning, he is not about team, or Red Sox, or baseball, or anything else.

  12. oldpaddy - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:35 PM

    Bobby v is a scum bag.
    Just sayin’

  13. Kevin S. - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:36 PM

    Somebody in the front office needs to take Valentine aside and explain to him that, in Boston, they rip departed players *anonymously* through the media.

    • sabatimus - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:44 PM

      Lucchino et al will never do that. Aside from Cherington (who never wanted Bobby here in the first place), they hired him, and they’re going to stick to their guns. Indeed, Lucchino particularly is a good portion of the problem.

  14. gotampabay52 - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    Where is 18th lane and cur68 puss lil redsox fans at. Best Boston coach ever we screw your team up and I love it. Go Bobby go retire his number Boston legandary coach

    • sabatimus - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:46 PM

      Why? So you can watch them out-class and out-wit you in every way?

    • Kevin S. - Jul 15, 2012 at 2:25 PM

      Did you just call cur68 a Red Sox fan?

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 15, 2012 at 2:40 PM

        I think they can deport you for that in Canuckistan.

      • cur68 - Jul 15, 2012 at 3:23 PM

        Its worse than deportation, COPO. They boil you alive in seal fat and feed you to the sled dogs for supporting any other team in the AL Beast. Beavers are cruel mistresses.

    • cur68 - Jul 15, 2012 at 3:15 PM

      Well I’m here Huckelberry. Let’s clear this up, shall we? I’m Canadian. Surely you can guess who my team is? Or maybe you can’t…whatever. Look man, just try and use some basic punctuation in your posts and maybe don’t be such an effin doucher all the time. If it was one thing OR the other I’d leave alone but douchey and stoopid is just asking for it. I’m the least of your worries if you keep on like this. Plenty of people who comment here are going to be far harsher than me.

      • protius - Jul 15, 2012 at 8:56 PM

        Uh oh, someone is just a little sensitive this week.

  15. poprox13 - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    Shut up Bobby, just shut up…..

  16. plethoraofpinatas - Jul 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM

    “Asked if he was surprised that Youkilis appeared healthier, Valentine responded: ‘“Not surprised. As a matter of fact, Maggs (hitting coach Dave Magadan) said he had no doubt if he went somewhere else he’d play better.’’’

    Almost comes across as a self-indictment of his managerial style.

    • daisycutter1 - Jul 15, 2012 at 2:12 PM

      With that comment Valentine also threw Magadan under the bus. Amazing.

      I’m sure that whatever Magadan’s reason for saying what he did, it was intended to be private. But no. Valentine had to blab it to the media to help justify why Youkilis was playing quite a bit better once he got out of Boston.

      • bigleagues - Jul 16, 2012 at 9:50 AM

        I’ll admit that Valentine’s has bouts with diarrhea of the mouth.

        Not for nothing, though . . . it’s easy to pile on Bobby.

        Isn’t it just as much an indictment of Youkilis tanking it and being unprofessional because he had a personal dispute with the manager (after he (rightly or wrongly) alienated several teammates back in the Fall by being the alleged infamous mole – you’ll note that Beckett has had ZERO comment on the Youk departure despite having played with him and benefited greatly from his contributions for 6+ seasons)?

        Just Sayin. Fair is fair. You wanna pile on Bobby? Fine. But stop excusing Youkilis. And I say that as a fan of Youk.

  17. keithbangedyermom - Jul 15, 2012 at 2:09 PM

    15 games on today and you guys want to rehash this? BV always has a player he clashes with. Now it’s Pedroia, God’s gift to baseball.

  18. bigleagues - Jul 15, 2012 at 4:00 PM

    I LOVE the double standard employed by the masses when it comes to Bobby Valentine.

    Did Bobby stick his foot in his mouth with Youk? Yeah.

    Has Bobby said the things that every reporter and fan wishes the manager would say about a player who was loafing? Also, yeah.

    But for those who keep saying they think that Youk has been all class since leaving Boston . . . that may be true you – but most, if not all of you (Matthew Poulliot included) obviously haven’t heard that Youk shouted “F&^% YOU” at Bobby within earshot of reporters . . . on his way out of the Boston clubhouse.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 15, 2012 at 4:50 PM

      shouted “F&^% YOU” at Bobby within earshot of reporters…on his way out of the Boston clubhouse.

      So what? I’m sure all of us have been made at a coworker a time or two. There’s a huge difference between keep that stuff in house*, and continuing to air it in the public sector. Especially when the player in question thanks everyone from upper management to the fans and everyone in between, and the manager can’t stop trashing the player.

      As for the swearing itself, any link to that? Can’t find anything from google.

      • bigleagues - Jul 16, 2012 at 9:40 AM

        First of all, I love Youk. I was sad to see him go. But there are a myriad of reasons why it was no longer working out and as anyone follows the team closely can attest, Bobby Valentine was a contributing factor, maybe even the linchpin – but far from the determining factor that drove Youk out of town.

        Youk’s goodbye to Bobby has been reported by Dennis & Callahan on WEEI on air repeatedly as a blind item with the strong suggestion that the Red Sox urged that it not be printed.

        And the so what is – Matthew P framed Youkilis as being classy in the aftermath of his departure from Boston.

        Whether or not you have been mad at a co-worker, it is almost never acceptable to shout F-U at them in the workplace, let alone in ear shot of outsiders – and its certainly not classy.

        That’s not to say that I don’t sympathize with Youk over his situation with Valentine, but I’m also not gonna play pretend in creating a myth.

    • paperlions - Jul 15, 2012 at 6:58 PM

      Does anyone really think Youkilis didn’t play as hard as he could? The guy cares too much.

      Shouting fuck you to someone means nothing. There are plenty of people that earn that response….I imagine the disingenuous, smiling, ego-maniacal manager of the Red Sox had done and said many arrogant things that have deserved that response.

  19. imthedudedude - Jul 15, 2012 at 4:28 PM

    Nobody cares

  20. conwell2549 - Jul 15, 2012 at 8:42 PM

    The Red Sox are tanking under this bozo. Valentine never met a camera he didnt like

  21. gotampabay52 - Jul 15, 2012 at 9:20 PM

    thats the problem am on my cell so fuck the .? “! your not an american cur68 fuck u and your stupid counrtry my USA hockey jersey says URCOUNTRYSUX and canada needs american women cause your countries bitches are worst then boston bitches by “A’ bit

    • cur68 - Jul 15, 2012 at 9:50 PM

      More irony: my original reply to you, Huckleberry, was from my cell phone. Now have a look there. Your cell phone vs. my cell phone…notice anything? If you wonder why it is that my reply is readable and yours barely makes any ‘effin sense, lemme ‘splain; its not the phone, dummy, its the guy using it. You’re not only being a douche, you’re being an illiterate douche, too. These comments can be seen around the world, anywhere there’s internet access (which is dang near everywhere). So you’re not only making yourself look bad, but also people from your home and other fans of your team. Have some pride, man: GO BACK TO SCHOOL.

  22. gotampabay52 - Jul 15, 2012 at 9:21 PM

    yo cur68 come to Dunedin FL bitch its where i live and home of your stupid blue jays man up pussy ass

    • cur68 - Jul 15, 2012 at 9:54 PM

      Sure. Meet me behind the Pigglywiggly on 1st & Grand at midnight, in week. Wear black and be ready to rumble. I gotta make a long commute, so you might have to hang around for a few hours in case my dog sled is delayed at your border. If I don’t see you there I’ll assume you chickened out.

  23. lostsok - Jul 16, 2012 at 1:54 AM

    Seems to me he has plenty to concern himself with other than former players.

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