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The Yankees are unlikely to get Hamels; are cool on Zack Greinke, Matt Garza and Ryan Dempster

Jul 16, 2012, 11:04 AM EDT

Zack Greinke AP

The Yankees’ recent strong stretch combined with the continued stumbling of the Orioles, Sox and Rays has given them a bit of a cushion. That said, they’d still probably want to add a starter if they can. Bur from the sounds of it, they aren’t terribly eager to go big game hunting at the deadlines.

After noting that the Yankees will stay “in the loop” on Cole Hamels, but likely won’t be big players for him because he’ll cost too much, Ken Davidoff of the New York Post handicaps the other top starters on the block:

The Yankees are not interested in Milwaukee’s Zack Greinke, just as they didn’t engage Kansas City in Greinke talks during the 2010-11 offseason. They don’t view his personality as a good fit in New York. The other big-name starting pitcher in his walk year, the Cubs’ Ryan Dempster, doesn’t meet the Lee/Hamels threshold of being a decided upgrade over what the Yankees already have.

The “we’re worried about Greinke’s makeup” thing is kind of frustrating. I think we have enough random data points suggesting that Greinke wouldn’t necessarily crumble under the pressure of New York as opposed to just be kind of out-of-synch with it because he doesn’t play the media game like everyone else does. But we’ll never know, I don’t think, because it just doesn’t seem like someone is willing to take the chance. And Greinke himself may steer himself back to a place like Kansas City or down to Atlanta or something once he hits free agency. Just one of those what coulda been things.

As for Garza and Dempster: I’m a bit dubious of the assertion that at least Dempster wouldn’t be an improvement for the Yankees. Of course, there probably isn’t a team who has fewer legitimate leaks and rumors regarding their actual intentions when it comes to free agents and trades and stuff than the Yankees, so they could very well be doing something and we wouldn’t know much about it until it went down.

  1. mybrunoblog - Jul 16, 2012 at 11:45 AM

    I see the Yankees standing pat at the deadline. Seems like years since the Yanks made a big move at the trade deadline.
    Another thought, I feel that MLB should move the deadline to August 15th. With the extra wild card some teams still aren’t sure by July 31 if they are in or out of the market. It would add some spice, make things more exciting.

    • donniebb23 - Jul 16, 2012 at 12:06 PM

      Agree that the Yanks probably stand pat, but disagree on the trade deadline thing. If anything the July 31st deadline makes things more interesting, at least to me. It forces teams to make a decision earlier, which can only lead to more teams making moves in an attempt to get into the playoffs. And with the second wild card there are certainly more teams within earshot of the playoffs at the end of July than there will be two weeks later.

  2. lardin - Jul 16, 2012 at 11:51 AM

    Poo Poo it all you want, there are players who cant handle playing for the Yankees. Javier Vasquez and Randy Johnson come to mind. Some players thrive on the limelight.

    Right, wrong or indifferent. The Yankees try to find players who can succeed in NYC. They dont think Greinke can hack it in NYC.

    • gammagammahey - Jul 16, 2012 at 12:05 PM

      Or Javy Vasquez and Randy Johnson (or any number of other high-profile free agents) had down years with the Yankees for whatever reason and the media concocts the “couldn’t hack it in the NY spotlight” narrative after the fact. There are players that do have trouble with the media but a that spotlight stuff is overused and of course the guys who aren’t performing well are going to have a tougher relationship with the media that’s hounding them after very bad performance than the guys who are succeeding.

      • Ari Collins - Jul 16, 2012 at 12:31 PM

        Agreed with all you said about post-facto narrative-spinning. But what’s more, Randy Johnson went 17-8 with a 3.79 ERA in 245 IP in his first year with NY, including a great record against a Sox team that, with one more win, would have gotten the division and forced NY down to the WC. His peripherals and advanced stats were also quite, quite good. And he was well above-average the following year, with his ERA inflated by a low strand rate.

        So yeah: some guys play poorly in NYC, but it’s absurd to always posit that it’s because NYC is the wrong city for them, and doubly absurd to posit it for a player who excelled in NYC but just never got credit from the media.

    • baseballisboring - Jul 16, 2012 at 4:06 PM

      Yeah, how could a World Series MVP like Randy Johnson EVER handle pitching regular season games in New York? It’s a different animal, I tell ya.

  3. cerowb - Jul 16, 2012 at 12:05 PM

    Yanks don’t think Dempster would be an upgrade?

    Huh, I wonder where they’re hiding all their pitchers with a 1.85 ERA?

  4. southpaw2k - Jul 16, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    I’m really surprised. I would’ve thought the Yankees would trade to get Hamels, Greinke, and Garza for some used socks, leftover baseballs, Freddie Garcia, Clay Rapada, and Eric Chavez. At least that’s what their fans expect.

  5. randygnyc - Jul 16, 2012 at 12:24 PM

    Cashman said during an interview yesterday that most of the talent being currently shopped isn’t an upgrade to what we’ve already got. The other few names of elite players, he said their asking prices are ridiculous and doesn’t expect to get any deals done. He did mention the possibility of combing through the scrap heap again, a la, Qualls and darnel McDonald.

    • paperlions - Jul 16, 2012 at 1:17 PM

      So….he said that they can’t upgrade for free or close to it, so they won’t make any significant moves…makes sense.

  6. randygnyc - Jul 16, 2012 at 1:31 PM

    He said he didn’t think most of the talent available was an upgrade. I agree. The few elite guys available come with an unreasonable price tag, considering the Yankees as they are now, are seriously underachieving and are still the best team in baseball. CC IS COMING BACK. Garner will probably be back. Joba is coming back. Pettitte is coming back. Aardsma will be back. Except Gardner, these guys are elite and getting them back is like completing a trade.

  7. randygnyc - Jul 16, 2012 at 1:33 PM

    Although I’ll add that if the Yankees can get King Felix, they really should back up the truck.

  8. xmatt0926x - Jul 16, 2012 at 3:00 PM

    I’m surprised the yankees wouldn’t at least make a huge push for one top of the line starter. The quality of starters that may win the division doesn’t always get you to the World Series.

  9. foreverchipper10 - Jul 17, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    I would poo in my pants if he came to ATL.

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