Skip to content

The Blue Jays and Astros made a ten-player trade

Jul 20, 2012, 11:01 AM EDT

Lyon_Brandon

It’s a special kind of trade when ten (10)(X) players change teams and Brandon Lyon is the best of the lot. But the Blue Jays and Astros did it:

  • The Astros getFrancisco Cordero and Ben Francisco plus minor leaguers Joe Musgrove, Asher Wojciechowski, David Rollins and Carlos Perez. They also get a player to be named later.  Man that guy gets traded a lot.
  • The Blue Jays get: Brandon Lyon, J.A. Happ and David Carpenter

I don’t know all of those Blue Jays minor leaguers, but I can’t imagine Lyon, Happ and Carpenter rate top prospects or anything.

We’ll sift through this a bit, but my instincts tell me that this is sound and fury signifying nothing more than a lot of flotsam and jetsam shuffling.

UPDATE: Everyone can stop commenting on this trade now, because Brandon Isleib has won the day:

 

  1. Kevin S. - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:07 AM

    I think this trade might set a record for lowest talent/player ratio in any trade.

    • natslady - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:13 AM

      How about this one? Not as many players, though.

      MLBTradeNews ‏@MLB_TradeNews
      #BREAKING #Rockies trade Jeremy Guthrie to the #Royals for Jonathan Sanchez.

      • number42is1 - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:19 AM

        Isnt guthrie on the O’s?

      • Kevin S. - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:26 AM

        No, the Rockies somehow thought his lack of stuff would play okay in Coors Field. Oops.

  2. cur68 - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:10 AM

    Flotsam and Jetsam and let us not forget, dead wood (Cordero). So, to extend this, I think the flotsam is Happ. The jetsam is Lyon. Those minor league guys? Well, in keeping with the nautical theme, I guess they get to be seame . . . never mind.

    • natstowngreg - Jul 20, 2012 at 3:34 PM

      Weren’t Flotsam and Jetsam the double play combination for the original 1977 Beaver Landers?

    • dirtyharry1971 - Jul 21, 2012 at 2:10 AM

      cur68=brain DEAD

      • cur68 - Jul 21, 2012 at 7:39 AM

        8)

        You so eloquent when U mad, bro. You’re mom’s a classy lady.

  3. js20011041 - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:13 AM

    I understand that with the new 2 wildcard system, very few teams are out of it, but the Blue Jays are below .500. They shouldn’t be trading young players, even if they aren’t major prospects, for mediocre veterens.

    • TestSubjekt - Jul 21, 2012 at 10:05 AM

      Except those “mediocre veterans” will be in Toronto beyond this season.

      This isn’t Toronto making a run at ‘it’. They need starting. If they were making a run at the playoffs they’d be picking up Wandy Rodriguez from the Astros. This is just Toronto filling some immediate needs. A lot of injuries and Cordero sucking ass meant they needed pitching.

  4. capeporpoise - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:14 AM

    Last year Rzepczynski, now Wojciechowski – the Jays’ seamstresses are having an influence on player movements incompatible with their role.

    • Kevin S. - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:27 AM

      I would really, really love it if Rzepczynski, just for one day, came out with “Scrabble” on the back of his uniform.

  5. natstowngreg - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:14 AM

    My initial reaction was “why?” But the Beaver Men have had a lot of bad injury luck with their pitchers, so warm bodies are needed. Meanwhile, the Astros could use more depth in their farm system which, I realize, is sort of a “duh” comment..

    And goodness knows, every team should have as many Franciscos as possible. Is Francisco Franco still dead?

  6. bravojawja - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:14 AM

    I’m waiting for Wheel of Fortune to use “Ben Francisco Cordero” as a Before and After puzzle.

    • dwaynehosey - Jul 20, 2012 at 1:24 PM

      Sill can’t beat that late ’80’s Oakland outfield of Junior Felix, Felix Jose and Jose Canseco.

    • dwaynehosey - Jul 20, 2012 at 1:26 PM

      Still can’t beat that late ’80’s Oakland outfield of Junior Felix/Felix Jose/Jose Canseco

  7. shaggylocks - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:18 AM

    I’m pretty sure one of the Assistant GMs for Jays just found out his wife was cheating on him with a guy named Francisco, and this trade was the inevitable fallout.

  8. proudlycanadian - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:38 AM

    Lyon is an upgrade over the 2012 version of Cordero. As far as Happ is concerned, the Jays need a starting pitcher whose arm will not fall off.

    Over the last 3 drafts, the Jays have been loading up on young pitchers, knowing that not all will pan out and others could be used as trade bait. Wojciechowski was the 38th player chosen in the 2010 draft. When he was drafted, it was thought that eventually, he might become a closer. The best pitchers chosen by the Jays in that 2010 draft were Sanchez, Snydergaard and Nicolino. The first 2 are untouchable. Former Cy Young winner Pat Hentgen thinks that Sanchez and Snydergaard could develop into another Halladay and Carpenter combination. Musgrove was the 46th player drafted in 2011 and Rollins went 739. The best 2 pitchers drafted by the Jays in 2011 were Norris and Stilson. Perez is a young catcher in Single A, but is well behind other catching prospects.

    So yes the Jays gave up a lot of prospects, but none of their best prospects. 2 or 3 of the prospects they traded might even play in the majors some day.

    To replace Francisco on the roster, the Jays called up Travis Snider. Snider has been hot lately, and could replace Rajai Davis in the outfield.

    • proudlycanadian - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:50 AM

      Lyon began his career as a starting pitcher for The Jays in 2011 and 2012. He wasn’t very good as a starter, but eventually became a serviceable closer in the NL. As I wrote above, he is currently better than Cordero.

      • saints97 - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:57 AM

        What year is it now? Did I wake up in the future?

      • proudlycanadian - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:58 AM

        LOL! Got me! 2001 and 20002

      • oltanya - Jul 20, 2012 at 1:21 PM

        His career spanned millennia, now?

    • proudlycanadian - Jul 20, 2012 at 2:48 PM

      I just took a look at the trade that sent Happ to Houston. In exchange for Roy Oswalt, Philadelphia traded Happ, Anthony Gose and Johnathan Villar.

      The Jays had been interested in both Happ and Gose when they traded Halladay to Philadelphia. Happ had pitched well in Philadelphia. Now both Happ and Gose are on the Jays major league roster.

      As far as Villar is concerned, he is Houston’s top short stop prospect and was in the news last week when he broke his hand punching a wall.

  9. missthemexpos - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    Flotsam and Jetsam makes me think of the characters in Joseph Wambaugh’s books.

    • saltmanz - Jul 20, 2012 at 5:51 PM

      Makes me think of The Little Mermaid.

  10. Ari Collins - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:48 AM

    Seems like a pretty fair trade. The Jays got some decent pitching help to plug their injury gaps without giving up any major prospects, while the Astros get some mid-to-low-level prospects. The Jays probably shouldn’t be hard buying, but they’re not really; more just stemming the injury attrition somewhat with some triage and giving their fans a little more hope at very little cost in minor league talent.

  11. deepstblu - Jul 20, 2012 at 12:04 PM

    This looks like the kind of trade the Orioles and the Kansas City A’s would have made in the ’50s. Maybe Suitcase Simpson or Al Pilarcik will be the PTBNL.

  12. realgone2 - Jul 20, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    Jettison some weight or we will never make it to cybertron.

  13. stex52 - Jul 20, 2012 at 2:22 PM

    A few thoughts:

    1. On prorated basis, the Astros knock off about 2 MM$ in payroll. This may reflect saving some money back since the Marlins didn’t take any payroll for Lee.
    2. Lyon has been a disappointment, Happ is arb-eligible in 2013 and has been inconsistent at absolute best. He gets his K’s, but gives up a ton of hits. Carpenter is just an average prospect.
    3. Astros are absolutely desperate for an outfielder who can hit his weight.
    4. Maybe those minor leaguers will just strengthen Oklahoma City a bit. The Astros’ minor leagues still are very thin.

    Not much to cheer here. Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

  14. galvezben - Jul 20, 2012 at 5:04 PM

    Hot dang! This is just the kind of move the ‘Stros needed to put them over the top. Nice to see they are pro-active and making a play for a wild card spot this year! Genius move actually. The attendance at Minute Maid will skyrocket.

  15. jkaflagg - Jul 20, 2012 at 6:49 PM

    Astros simply trying to convert players who will no longer be there when the rebuilding is compete for mid-level propspects who might pan out…..if 1-2 of the minor leaguers eventually gets to the big leagues or even bolsters teams in the high minors, it’s a win….

    Dallas Keuchel & Cordero will replace Happ & Lyon, and Francisco may actually be an short-term upgrade in the outfield (where Brian Bixler has been starting lately)…..but there is no doubt that Luhnow wants at least one more #1 overall draft pick. As many people have pointed out, the old Astros way of trying to improve a mediocre big league roster, finishing with 70-80 wins and drafting 8th to 15th won’t get it done; the Washington method of blatantly sucking and grabbing #1 picks is the preferred path, although the Astros will never to lucky enough to grab a Strasbourg and a Harper back-to-back…..

  16. jaysjunkie - Jul 20, 2012 at 8:10 PM

    Anything that gets Cordero out of town works for me – he was atrocious this season. And Ben Francisco was “just a guy”, so no loss there. Any experienced arms the Jays are getting has to be an improvement, even if it’s only minor, than what we’re throwing out there now.

Leave Comment

You must be logged in to leave a comment. Not a member? Register now!

Featured video

Alex Gordon, MVP candidate
Top 10 MLB Player Searches
  1. R. Castillo (4359)
  2. D. Ortiz (2513)
  3. Y. Molina (2432)
  4. J. Soler (2241)
  5. M. Cuddyer (2074)
  1. Y. Darvish (1960)
  2. M. Machado (1954)
  3. B. Colon (1938)
  4. R. Cano (1900)
  5. S. Doolittle (1848)