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The A’s, Blue Jays and Red Sox are interested in Hanley Ramirez

Jul 24, 2012, 11:37 AM EDT

This morning we heard that the Marlins are making Hanley Ramirez available. Bob Nightengale reports that he’s in demand:

He’d represent an upgrade for the A’s, no doubt. At least if you don’t think Brandon Inge is gonna carry that team offensively. In Boston and Toronto he’d make more sense as a shortstop.  In all cases, he’s a gamble: will the change of scenery make him what he once was? Or will he be a $31.5 million+ bust?

  1. Francisco (FC) - Jul 24, 2012 at 11:42 AM

    Wait, Detroit? Did the Blue Jays move overnight?

    • davidpom50 - Jul 24, 2012 at 11:55 AM

      I wish Detroit really was in on him to play SS. Hey, let’s make the most laughably bad defensive infield in recent memory even worse!

      • brianbowman16 - Jul 24, 2012 at 2:53 PM

        Yeah, bring Hanley in to play SS! As everyone is giving us shit about the defense, the Tigers will be scoring 7 runs a game and lofting a World Series trophy in October!

  2. psr179 - Jul 24, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    Please, let the Red Sox trade for Hanley. Mixing him with Bobby V would be a disaster waiting to happen and would be fun to watch.

    • pisano - Jul 24, 2012 at 12:48 PM

      psr179…. it would be fun, although probably short lived, I don’t think Valentine is going to be around a whole lot longer. That entire organization is a “ship of fools”

    • hockeyflow33 - Jul 24, 2012 at 1:20 PM

      Straight up Beckett for Hanley, lets get it done

      • SortaSports - Jul 24, 2012 at 5:36 PM

        They would never take back just Beckett. This isn’t a video game when you override a terrible trade for one side.

      • hockeyflow33 - Jul 24, 2012 at 10:47 PM

        it’s mostly tongue-in-cheek but trading one problem player for another is hardly ridiculous

  3. Ben - Jul 24, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    Oh lord, do the A’s really think they’re contenders? I love the A’s, but this new two-wild card system is a trap. Just ask Admiral Akbar.

    • b7p19 - Jul 24, 2012 at 11:56 AM

      If you can get yourself into a one game playoff of the playoffs, you go all in to do it. Once you’re in you have as good a chance as anyone to win a World Series and thats worth any heartache a bad contract or two and the loss of prospects will give you.

      • Ben - Jul 24, 2012 at 11:59 AM

        Sure, but the incentive structure is totally whacked out right now. Which is why if the Twins were smart (and they’re not) they’d be dumping everyone with a pulse on the market, because every team in baseball thinks they’re a contendor right now. Right now the only teams in the AL who are “out of it” are the Twins, Royals and Mariners. 12 of the 15 teams think they’re in it, when in reality maybe only 7 are. Which makes for an exciting playoff drive for fans, but some of these teams are not like the others, and if they give up the farm trying to compete with the Rangers and the Yankees it’s not going to end well for anyone.

    • joelwrobinson - Jul 24, 2012 at 2:31 PM

      What the fuck are you talking about? How dare they think they’re contenders while tied for the wild card.

      • brianbowman16 - Jul 24, 2012 at 2:56 PM

        Right!? How dare they after 4 months of sticking right at the wild cards think they might have a shot!! Dear Zeus and baby Jesus burn them at the stake!

  4. uyf1950 - Jul 24, 2012 at 11:53 AM

    Unless Ramirez is a “ace” pitcher the Red Sox are barking up the wrong tree. Their starting rotation needs help not their offense. And they certainly don’t need a guy that’s due $15.5 and $16MM respectively over the next 2 seasons.

    • hockeyflow33 - Jul 24, 2012 at 1:21 PM

      addition by subtraction

      • jrbdmb - Jul 24, 2012 at 1:45 PM

        I think you mean subtraction by addition for the Red Sox.

  5. hcf95688 - Jul 24, 2012 at 11:56 AM

    If the A’s trade for Ramirez he’d replace Pennington at shortstop, not Inge at 3B. Also, as an A’s fan, I plead with Billy Beane to not make this happen.

    • b7p19 - Jul 24, 2012 at 11:58 AM

      Why, they are close enough to make a run for it and with their rotation they have a realistic shot. Not to mention that Hanley has the ability to be one of the top 10 hitters in the game. As bad as he’s playing right now, he still has + production for a SS.

      • lorddarkhelmet - Jul 24, 2012 at 12:13 PM

        Amen, but can the A’s even afford it? They would probably have to turn around an flip him back out of town after the season.

      • hcf95688 - Jul 24, 2012 at 12:18 PM

        @b7p19 – I think the price in terms of what it would take to get him will be too high. I don’t want to gut our farm system for a guy with a reputation of being a dog. Yes, the A’s definitely need to upgrade at short, but is this the right guy?

        @lorddarkhelmet – Beane has been on the radio here in the Bay Area saying that ownership has given him the go-ahead to add payroll.

  6. myedayok - Jul 24, 2012 at 12:04 PM

    Could be another freak fit for the Jays. For some reason they have a record for reviving a players performance. When you look at Bautista, Encarnacion and Rasmus it wouldn’t be that far of a stretch to think it couldn’t happen.

    • hittfamily - Jul 24, 2012 at 2:36 PM

      and Vlad and Cordero and Drabek and Moyer and Lind, and Alexi, and Wells, and Francisco, and ….

      Every team gets lucky. Every team makes mistakes.

  7. js20011041 - Jul 24, 2012 at 12:04 PM

    Will somebody go smack the shit out of Lucchino? That little Napoleon fuck. The last thing the Red Sox need to do is start trading away prospects. They aren’t making the playoffs this year and I’m getting really tired of hearing people argue that the Red Sox are now getting healthy and are getting ready to make a run. The offense hasn’t been a problem this year, the starting pitching has. All their injuries have been to position players. It would be one thing if they were pitching like garbage because Beckett, Lester, and Buchholz were hurt, but they haven’t been. They’ve been healthy and they’ve been the problem. Trading for Ryan Dempster won’t fix it. Neither will trading for Cole Hamels or Zach Greinke. They’re too far back and why trade away the future to maybe get into a one game playoff? Trading for Ramirez is a bad idea. At this point, he isn’t even an upgrade over Aviles, so why bother? This is two straight substandard seasons from a player that’s bad defensively and makes a lot of money.

    • poprox13 - Jul 24, 2012 at 12:08 PM

      If they can get rid of Carl I cant hit anywhere but #2 or I feel bad and cant play up to my abilities Crawford then do it!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • js20011041 - Jul 24, 2012 at 12:17 PM

        But where would they play Ramirez? He’s not a shortstop. He’s not even good defensively at third, which is already blocked by Middlebrooks. If they traded Crawford for Ramirez straight up, it’s a net win for the Red Sox because Crawford is signed through 2017 where as Ramirez is only signed through 2014. But the Marlins are going to want prospects in addition. I just don’t see this front office making a competent trade.

      • jimeejohnson - Jul 24, 2012 at 12:56 PM

        Red Sox brass takes a lot of heat, but it’s not their fault Lackey, Beckett, Lester, and Matsuzaka SUCK! These guys let the Red Sox down big time, and it will take years for the them to recover. Buchholz has been injured forever, which also is not the fault of the front office. Place the blame for the Red Sox failures where it belongs: on the players.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 24, 2012 at 1:46 PM

        Place the blame for the Red Sox failures where it belongs: on the players.

        So the Sox don’t get any blame for giving a long term deal to an inconsistent pitcher (Beckett), or a long term deal to a declining pitcher (Lackey), or making a player who doesn’t hit with a lot of power, or walk at all, the highest paid LF in the game?

      • hittfamily - Jul 24, 2012 at 2:43 PM

        It wasn’t the players who outlawed beer and fried chicken in the clubhouse. Those guys were good last year. If I were managing, I’d replace the rosin bag with a cooler of Ol’ Milwaukee, and put a drumstick in Beckett and Lester’s back pocket.

        You can tell by their skin complexion that they clearly are not eating enough KFC

      • 24missed - Jul 24, 2012 at 3:00 PM

        Carl Crawford is awesome and I am so grateful he is back. He is a guy of real character and will be key to inspiring younger players to play with energy and accountability. So, he is comfortable playing in the 2 hole? Big deal. Without
        Gonzo and Ortiz in front of him, he can actually give the pitchers a bit of grief. The Carl Crawford comments are stale. There are actually some real reasons why last year was his worst.

      • poprox13 - Jul 24, 2012 at 4:06 PM

        Accountability??? He blamed Francona batting him 7th as partly the reason he had a bad year. But then you blew your credibility from the get go by saying CC is awesome.

      • 24missed - Jul 24, 2012 at 5:20 PM

        Carl Crawford is awesome. But, feel free to keep ripping him apart if it makes you feel better.

        Obviously, he is better suited batting second than seventh. But, there were a myriad of different reasons that created the season he had last year.

        That man is accountable. He says it like it is and is completely honest regarding his failings and what makes him a better player.

      • poprox13 - Jul 24, 2012 at 5:47 PM

        Well, it looks like we have different definitions of the words “awesome” and “accountability”

    • psousa1 - Jul 24, 2012 at 4:14 PM

      What the hell does Lucchinno have to do with it? Epstein had to have Lackey and Crawford. The little b!tch Epstein walled himself off from Lucchinno and the front office gave him the checkbook to do what he wanted with zero checks and balances. Epstein was protected by the Boston media anyway. He could do no wrong. Funny, when the Sox acquired Beckett and Lowell it was during that period when Epstein left the team. When Beckett and Lowell did not perform in their first year in 2006 it was “Theo didn’t make this deal”. When Beckett won 20 and Lowell was and All Star and WS MVP in 2007 it turned into “Theo was actually behind the scenes and made this deal”. Bullsht. Epstein made a mess and got the f#ck out. They are going to be digging out from his friggin mess for 2 – 3 more years. Red Sox have two problems right now and when I heard this is it makes you shake your head. They were 10 games over .500 in games Beckett or Lester did not start. They have an awful record in games those two start.

  8. 1972wasalongtimeago - Jul 24, 2012 at 12:05 PM

    Come on Beinfest. Time to redeem yourself. After years of great move after great move, you haven’t come out ahead in a LONG time. In fact, you have gotten killed.

    With Hanley, you have a big name asset and teams bidding against each other. You cannot screw this up. Need to score with this one.

  9. silversun60 - Jul 24, 2012 at 12:06 PM

    Aside from the fact that rumours about the Jays are never true… Where is he going to play? Lawrie is at 3rd until he crashes head first into a brick wall. Escobar at SS… with Hechavarria already pushing him out town…

    • cur68 - Jul 24, 2012 at 12:18 PM

      Yup. Guy can’t pitch and The Beav need naught but pitching. Seriously, cross the Beaver Men off this list for HanRam . . . but, uh, Dempster’s still available, right?

      • nbjays - Jul 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM

        Not according to Dale Sveum, apparently…

    • theawesomersfranchise - Jul 24, 2012 at 1:25 PM

      Are you related to Kelly Johnson?

    • proudlycanadian - Jul 24, 2012 at 4:32 PM

      The rumor mongers know that with AA running the Jays, he will never confirm or deny a rumor; however, since the Halladay trade, every Blue Jay trade rumor has been false.

  10. xpensivewinos - Jul 24, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    Perfect. Just what the Red Sox need……..another lazy, self-centered malcontent. That should help fix the team chemistry around there.

    The upside is, it will help speed up the process of getting Bobby Valentine the hell out of there.

    • poprox13 - Jul 24, 2012 at 12:10 PM

      If they can get rid of Crawford and Valentine in one move it would be the greatest Red Sox trade ever!!!!

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 24, 2012 at 12:22 PM

        There’s no way that they can move Crawford’s contract now that Tony Reagins is no longer the GM of the Angels. Crawford is the highest paid LF in the game with another 5 years, after this one, left to play.

      • crali - Jul 24, 2012 at 12:44 PM

        Also, Crawford needs off-season surgery.

      • hittfamily - Jul 24, 2012 at 2:45 PM

        Not just off season surgery, a 12 month recovery time TJ surgery. It just gets funnier and funnier.

      • poprox13 - Jul 24, 2012 at 4:08 PM

        position players dont require 12 month recovery from TJ.

  11. ctrex - Jul 24, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    Why aren’t the pirates in on him, solves two of their needs, a bat and getting barmes off the field. Trade Marte, Tallion(sp?), and your tradable Draft pick if that would be enough

    • js20011041 - Jul 24, 2012 at 12:23 PM

      Dude, are you serious? Ramirez isn’t a shortstop anymore. He never was a good one, and his offensive production has been down for two years. At what point do just say, this is what he is now. Barmes is absolutely awful offensively, but at least he at least brings defense to the table. Ramirez hasn’t hit well at all and is terrible defensively. When you take into account both factors, Barmes isn’t much that much worse than Ramirez is. The Pirates might trade Marte for him if the Marlins threw in a bunch of cash, but the package you bring up is ridiculous. Why not throw in McCutchen too?

      • jrbdmb - Jul 24, 2012 at 1:49 PM

        The Pirates would be better off going for a cheap rental like Drew. No reason to invest 30M+ for a headache like HanRam.

  12. crali - Jul 24, 2012 at 12:42 PM

    Wait, people, no experts expect Hanley to play better in a place like Oakland? Really? And Boston – what the media would do to him there….
    There’s always “stuff” we don’t know about going on with these guys but one thing we do know is that Hanley Ramirez is an extraordinary talent. Maybe he doesn’t like Ozzie or he’s still angry about moving to 3rd but really, he’s gotten too big for short and I would trust Ozzie on that. And maybe he does need a change of scenery but even with all his talent the acquiring team would need to talk with him before giving up the farm for him. It’s 2+ more years w/a no-trade? He would need a special type of coach who could relate with him and maybe a winning team — all maybes. Donnie? Maybe
    Bobby V? Oy. If the White Sox needed a 3rd baseman or SS – maybe w/Robin but who is going to take that chance…giving up prospects & paying $$ + not really knowing which position? Good luck- this sounds more like an off-season deal.

    • pellypell - Jul 24, 2012 at 2:55 PM

      I am tired of the Boston media talk and players not being able to handle it.

      How about the Boston media can’t handle overpaid, under-performing players and they speak on behalf of all of us when they point out the obvious?

      Do your eff’in job, keep your head down, smile once in awhile and you won’t have a problem with the Boston media.

    • 24missed - Jul 24, 2012 at 3:23 PM

      Most of the Boston media slams the players. One day they are the darling, the next they are slumping so bad they need a phantom injury. How could it not impact the players? Money has nothing to do with it. These guys are people. Peter Abraham is notorious for this. He will build a guy up with an article, maybe get a spot on the NESN pre-game show and then, when there are signs of faltering, slam.

      Rather than actually supporting the team and players and, perhaps, representing that percent of the fanbase, nope. Always rip them a new one.

  13. sabatimus - Jul 24, 2012 at 12:43 PM

    Why the hell would anybody want a guy who can only hit, is a terrible fielder, a head case, and has an infection because is punched a water cooler?

    • sabatimus - Jul 24, 2012 at 2:02 PM

      Oop, apparently it was a fan not a cooler. *shrug* Still dumb.

  14. djpostl - Jul 24, 2012 at 12:45 PM

    “If they traded Crawford for Ramirez straight up, it’s a net win for the Red Sox because Crawford is signed through 2017 where as Ramirez is only signed through 2014.”

    Why would Miami take on a worse player with over $100 extra million committed lol? Pipe dream scenario that ain’t gonna happen.

    • js20011041 - Jul 24, 2012 at 1:43 PM

      Well, if you read further in my comment, I said that Miami would want prospects as well. I was merely stating that the only way that trade makes sense for Boston was if it was a one for one trade.

  15. jengibre23 - Jul 24, 2012 at 1:24 PM

    Angels need a solid 3rd baseman and need to get rid of kendrys morales so they can play bourjas alot more. Don’t miss this opportunity Anaheim.

    • joelwrobinson - Jul 24, 2012 at 2:38 PM

      peter bourjous never plays because a player named mike trout started playing well. kendry morales isnt what is keep bourjous off the field.

  16. keithbangedyermom - Jul 24, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    I love the mess the Marlins are. Couldn’t happen to a bigger scumbag owner.

  17. APBA Guy - Jul 24, 2012 at 2:17 PM

    This does not sound like the kind of contract the A’s would move to take on. While the A’s have a nice streak going, it’s still difficult to believe that their rookie pitchers can take on the workload and stress of a late August/September run, much as I would like to see it.

    I’ve felt that the A’s would be more inclined to move on an incremental upgrade with little or no long term obligation, either at third or short, but most likely short, and also catcher. All three of those are shortage positions, meaning that high OPS players are hard to find. Since the A’s will part with no young pitching, and they’d like to move veteran arms, the list of probable targets is correspondingly small.

    Hanley is a .752 player this year, and was a .712 player last year. Maybe he could be again the .853 player he was in 2010. But it’s a new league, new pitchers to learn, etc. It just seems very unlikely for the A’s.

  18. 24missed - Jul 24, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    The only way I see the RS reaching for Hanley in a trade, would be due to Mike Aviles’ injury. It could be more severe than the RS are letting on. And if Lester and all the guys that came up with Hanley can’t stand him for the same reasons he is still behaving, it just sets the clubhouse up to become even worse. Although, you never know. The RS did sign Padilla while they claimed to be setting up a different vibe. Maybe Hanley would just be grateful to be away from the Marlins and all the players can shake hands and move on.

    I don’t want to see any movement in this team. I like what we have and I still believe they have what it takes to turn it around. I’m a fan. Beckett can have some great outings and maybe he’ll just turn it around. Same with Lester. There is cause for concern that Lester could be putting too much pressure on himself.

    I know. Cellar-dwellars. But, I still look at the line up and like what I see. Sure, I still miss Youk, but I have to root for my team. And I think they are darn good. I bet we all still like ours.
    And if we get Hanley, my gut is already wrenching thinking about who we are giving up. J. Henry & Co. should just throw in the cash. I like my guys.

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