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Marlins players are pretty happy to see Hanley Ramirez gone

Jul 26, 2012, 10:31 AM EDT

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Hanley Ramirez‘s former Marlins teammates? Not sad to see him gone:

One player who spoke on the condition of anonymity said, “There were a lot of smiles’’ in the Marlins clubhouse Wednesday morning, happiness because a player disliked by many in the organization — but protected by the front office for years because he was producing — was finally gone.

“They created a monster from a very good baseball player — gave him so much slack to do whatever the [expletive] he wanted because he was performing,’’ the player said.

“You can push some things aside when you’re hitting .340 with 40 home runs. You say ‘He’s a [jerk], but I can deal with it. … But when you’re not playing and you’re trying to be that same [jerk], it starts rubbing people the wrong way.’’

And Ozzie Guillen was pretty frank too:

Guillen, asked Wednesday what Ramirez’s absence would mean to the lineup, said, “Nothing. Because he wasn’t producing.”

It’s all on Jeff Loria, who protected Hanley Ramirez from any accountability. It was well-known in Miami that Ramirez was one of his favorites. He even bought him jewelry!  And when former manager Fredi Gonzalez tried to get some sort of control over Ramirez, disciplining him for slacking off and stuff, Gonzalez was undercut. Then he was fired.  And that’s no way to run a railroad.

(thanks to Old Gator for the links)
  1. ninjasports - Jul 26, 2012 at 10:39 AM

    Letting Hanley do whatever he wants at such a young age developed a bad attitude and lack of respect for the game. Maybe a change of scenery will do him well.

    • baseballisboring - Jul 26, 2012 at 1:59 PM

      It started even before that though. Keith Law said on a podcast the other day that Hanley looked lazy and bored when he scouted him in AA. I could never imagine how someone playing a professional sport wouldn’t want it to go REALLY well. These media narratives can get out of control, we’ve heard Robbie Cano, Matt Kemp, Justin Upton et. al accused of not caring, but this one seems to actually be true. Makes his trade to the Dodgers a lot easier to swallow for Marlins fans I’d think.

  2. A.J. - Jul 26, 2012 at 10:39 AM

    I wish Fredi Gonzalez would discipline someone Liberty Media loves.

  3. spudatx - Jul 26, 2012 at 10:41 AM

    The Marlins need more on-field leadership and less distractions. Removing a player like Hanley who is a constant distraction is a good move. Production or not, he wasn’t going to be a positive influence overall to the younger players who are the future of the franchise.

  4. chill1184 - Jul 26, 2012 at 10:43 AM

    Maybe it’s me but this seems to be the norm when a high profile player leaves the sniping begins.

    • djpostl - Jul 26, 2012 at 1:29 PM

      When a high profile asshole leaves it sure does. Normally because it’s a sign that ownership isn’t taking their side anymore and you can speak freely.

      • swami2012 - Jul 30, 2012 at 8:01 PM

        high profile a……?
        that sounds like some kind of major wardrobe malfunction

  5. townballblog - Jul 26, 2012 at 10:44 AM

    So that’s why Craig doesn’t like the Marlins front office – them firing Gonzalez allowed the braves to hire him as a manager… got it!

    • Old Gator - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:34 AM

      Do you blame him?

      • townballblog - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:52 AM

        I say give the guy some slack…. He’s replacing Bobby Cox for goodness sake! It is literally an impossible thing to ask of any manager.

      • biasedhomer - Jul 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM

        Towards the end of his career, Cox was not as effective as he was years before.

      • WhenMattStairsIsKing - Jul 26, 2012 at 1:41 PM

        Based on what, biasedhomer?

      • 5thbase - Jul 26, 2012 at 4:12 PM

        payroll … obviously Cox’s fault

      • tonsatt - Jul 27, 2012 at 7:53 PM

        Even if Bobby Cox wasn’t ‘quite as effective’ toward the end of his career, as you suggest… what difference does that make? His legend and popularity had been long established by that time.

  6. Francisco (FC) - Jul 26, 2012 at 10:47 AM

    I thought it would be obvious. I distinctly remember seeing video where the entire team turned his back on him in the dugout and ignored him during a game. (This was a couple of years ago I think).

    Hanley better shape up in L.A. No way Donnie Baseball is going take his crap. And Magic Johnson ain’t gonna have his back.

  7. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jul 26, 2012 at 10:53 AM

    I kinda wish Bowa was still with the Dodgers. That would be fun

  8. townballblog - Jul 26, 2012 at 10:54 AM

    I can’t remember where (could’ve been here) but I saw/heard Ozzie say that Hanley was actually behaving well. To paraphrase: he would take a bad attitude with good production over good attitude with bad production and that Hanley was just not producing.

    If Hanley had a bad attitude then Ozzie, of all people, would’ve said something about it. The fact that he said Hanley didn’t have a bad attitude AFTER Hanley was gone, in my opinion, probably means one of two things:

    1. The source is made-up or not someone that matters that much. Or
    2. The Marlins front office has got Ozzie on a VERY tight leash.

    I will say that the person who wrote the article is not even a baseball writer. He mostly covers Miami Hurricanes Football and Basketball games.

    • CJ - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:09 AM

      that doesn’t mean he had a good attitude. That just means if he had to choose one or the other, he’d prefer production. But if Hanley wasn’t producing, and was already proven to be a cancer well before Ozzie got there, then he has neither and he gone.

      • townballblog - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:36 AM

        Here are two quotes from Ozzie along with the link:

        “I can only speak on what I saw from him this year. This year, Hanley went by the rules. He played the game right. He did everything we asked him to do. Unfortunately, he wasn’t playing up to his potential and we weren’t playing up to our potential and that’s the biggest reason he’s not here right now. They can say what they want to say about him. But at the end of the day the reason Hanley is not here is our fault. We expected to play better and we didn’t. I expect this ballclub to bounce back and react.”

        Were you satisfied with Hanley’s effort to make adjustments… “Yes. He worked hard, very hard. He was in the cage every day. Things just didn’t work out for him unfortunately. This kid has a chance to be a superstar — that’s what we thought, what we think. We are taking a risk here sending him to be good for somebody else. But that’s a risk you have to take in this business. He never dogged except one time running the bases — well, not running hard enough. But I don’t have any problem with Hanley Ramirez — at all. I’ll take him any time. He was good for me, just was not the player they thought he was.

        Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/fish_bytes/2012/07/video-ozzie-guillen-reacts-to-hanley-ramirez-being-traded-to-the-dodgers.html#storylink=cpy

      • CJ - Jul 26, 2012 at 12:28 PM

        and in which quote does Ozzie go out of his way to say he had a good attitude? Also, keep in mind the last guy got fired in part for calling out Hanley. You really think he’s stupid enough to do the same when he saw what happened to Fredi?

        Is Ozzie slobbering? Yes. Loudmouthed? Yes. Crazy? Certifiably so. But stupid, he ain’t.

    • mrwillie - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:45 AM

      Or perhaps the skid marks from the bus that ran over Fredi outside the managers office are still to fresh for even Ozzie to open that can….?

      • townballblog - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:54 AM

        plus the whole Castro thing

    • davidpom50 - Jul 26, 2012 at 12:18 PM

      I think Ozzie just thought it would sting Hanley more to insult his play than his attitude.

    • goawaydog - Jul 26, 2012 at 12:32 PM

      you also have to take into account how long Ozzie has been with the team, some players have had to deal with Hanley for longer and hence have more history to get over.

    • djpostl - Jul 26, 2012 at 1:31 PM

      That is some of the best rationalization I have ever seen…

  9. danielponce - Jul 26, 2012 at 10:59 AM

    that anonymous player is LoMo right? right?

    • townballblog - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:13 AM

      Haha! I can’t deny that’s who first came to mind because he is so outspoken, but I don’t think it was him.

      • CJ - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:20 AM

        can’t be him if its anonymous.

      • bravesfan388 - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:41 AM

        Nah, if it was LoMo then he would have tweeted it

    • liamj55 - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:43 AM

      From watching “the Franchise” I would bet a hundo it is Greg Dobbs.

      • classygentleman7 - Jul 26, 2012 at 2:58 PM

        I agree with liamj55. Greg Dobbs is a solid veteran presense in that clubhouse, and young, lazy, entitled players like Hanley would definitely rub him the wrong way.

    • jag8r904 - Jul 27, 2012 at 1:56 AM

      I know last season, when LoMo broke a bone, the entire team signed his cast and it was auctioned off for charity. Well, almost the entire team. There was one exception.

  10. alexo0 - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:02 AM

    Loria never cared about the railroad. The only reason he bought it was so he could tear up the tracks, convince the local government to subsidize his natural resource exploitation of the land, then take off once no more money could be extracted, all while leaving everything in shambles.

    • Old Gator - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:36 AM

      And sell the rails and ties for scrap, and the right of way to developers….

    • djpostl - Jul 26, 2012 at 1:33 PM

      Why not, he saw Selig’s family buy the Brewers cheap, offer to shift to the NL if they got an All-Star Game, then convinced the taxpayers they needed a new stadium for said All-Star Game and finally sold the team at a huge profit, because of the pretty new stadium.

      • Old Gator - Jul 26, 2012 at 2:05 PM

        He didn’t “convince the taxpayers” of anything. They voted not to build it. He cut a deal with the politicians to ignore them and build it anyway. One of the Milwaukee area state reps got bounced out on his ass in the next election for helping the son of a bitch get away with it.

  11. yahmule - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:18 AM

    I can believe the charges against management. There was a story earlier this season about a team meeting in Miami. Some unnamed team source praised Ramirez for “saying all the right things”, etcetera. It sounded like equal parts bullcrap and wishful thinking.

    • Old Gator - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:45 AM

      You’re talking about the clubhouse meeting the Hanster reportedly called back in June. Enough guys agreed about what went down at that one so that the reports have credibility. Unfortunately, when the meeting was over the Hanster went out and began his worst slump of the year. Such is life, as Ned Kelly was fond of saying – just before they hanged him.

      • proudlycanadian - Jul 26, 2012 at 8:06 PM

        So that is why we have not heard from Ned Kelly for some time.

      • badintent - Jul 27, 2012 at 1:26 AM

        I likee Mick Jagger playing Ned Kelly, thought he should have gotten the Oscar that year.

  12. budselog - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:25 AM

    What is this, the Red Sox?

    • Glenn - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:56 AM

      Don’t forget that the Red Sox unloaded Hanley because of his attitude problems way back when he was in the minors. I saw him play Double-A a few times and he exuded “a-holeness”. The trade got them the 2007 title.

      • budselog - Jul 26, 2012 at 12:24 PM

        That’s fine, but what I mean is that there are people throwing this dude under the bus as soon as he leaves town just like they do in Boston.

      • davidpom50 - Jul 26, 2012 at 12:25 PM

        I’m confused. Did they trade him because of attitude problems or because he was an extremely valuable player that brought back important pieces that helped them win a World Series?

  13. nyyankeedave - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    Ramirez an entitled brat? He should feel right at home in L.A.

    • koufaxmitzvah - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:32 AM

      That’s really funny coming from a Yankee fan.

      • nyyankeedave - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:45 AM

        It’s a given with us.

      • lanflfan - Jul 26, 2012 at 5:06 PM

        If anyone knows entitlement, its a yankee fan.

    • Old Gator - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:47 AM

      Why? It’s not like he grew up in the Valley.

  14. jetstizzi85 - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:33 AM

    The Marlins organization lets the coach do and say what he wants so this cant be all too surprising. Lead by example….

    • Old Gator - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:43 AM

      The Hanster problems go back way before Slobbering Ozzie showed up.

      • jetstizzi85 - Jul 26, 2012 at 12:00 PM

        Understandable but you bring in a manager who does the same thing….how does that help the team or help Hanley grow and mature? Cant expect him to change when the manager doesnt

  15. Old Gator - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:42 AM

    This is some pretty ugly stuff going on – the articles in question are tame compared to some of the comments being made on local spawrts tawrk raydeeo, though one readily admits that the denizens of our tropical airwaves haven’t exactly distinguished themselves for accuracy or probity. Complaints like this against the Hanster go way back, starting with his blasting his ghetto box so loudly that teammates went upstairs to run wind sprints just so they could have some quiet. The complaints break into two general categories: lack of consideration for teammates and staff, and lackadaisical attitude towards his quality of play.

    Maybe knowing he could curl up in Scrooge McLoria’s lap and purr whenever heat came down on him made it too easy to lose his edge. Now, of course, Scrooge and the Chihuahua will have to pick out a new asshole on whom to dote. What was it that hulking lifer said to Clint Eastwood in the prison shower? “I need a new punk….”

    • hasbeen5 - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:49 AM

      If by Chihuahua, you mean David Sampson, that might be the most apt description of anyone or anything I’ve seen you post here.

  16. drewsylvania - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:45 AM

    Worst owner in MLB: Loria, Peter Angelos, or Lew Wolff?

    • jetstizzi85 - Jul 26, 2012 at 12:01 PM

      Loria….what other owner goes all in and after 1/2 a season gets rid of them all? How could you think it would all mesh so quickly?

      • drewsylvania - Jul 26, 2012 at 1:05 PM

        He didn’t actually think this–he knew he was going to sell and pocket all the money.

  17. turdfurgerson68 - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:50 AM

    Railroad? More like a rodeo, with plenty of clowns…management included.

    Gotta love Ozzie’s quote.

  18. ebrownwareagle - Jul 26, 2012 at 11:59 AM

    Cowards still speaking Anonymously. Put your name to your comments. And he’s probably a better ball player even with the attitude.

    • jetstizzi85 - Jul 26, 2012 at 12:03 PM

      100% agree but in all honesty (not a Fish fan so I dont know much) who has been a teammate of Hanley’s for many years? They trade people so often…Maybe JJ?

  19. davidpom50 - Jul 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    There were a few complimentary quotes in the article too, especially from Reyes. He wasn’t universally hated, though he was clearly very polarizing.

  20. blabidibla - Jul 26, 2012 at 1:13 PM

    Man up. Say what you want to say and own it. Anonymous quotes are cowardly.

    • Old Gator - Jul 26, 2012 at 2:08 PM

      Agreed. But they’re also less expensive in the long run.

      • blabidibla - Jul 26, 2012 at 2:38 PM

        Then don’t say it at all.

  21. agelardi - Jul 26, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    “I say give the guy some slack…. He’s replacing Bobby Cox for goodness sake! It is literally an impossible thing to ask of any manager.”

    ###

    Joe Gerardi is going a pretty good job replacing Joe Torre.

    • tonsatt - Jul 27, 2012 at 7:47 PM

      Yeah, Girardi is doing well… with a payroll over twice what Atlanta’s is and more where that came from.

  22. ottomanismydog - Jul 26, 2012 at 1:56 PM

    nothing worse than a ‘clubhouse cancer’.

    However, I would love to know which player spoke up. For the journalist integrity, which I have none of because I am commenting on a blog, the writer should not be able to quote the unnamed player, as it could be fabricated. ie the wire

    • Old Gator - Jul 26, 2012 at 2:10 PM

      “Journalist” and “integrity” are two terms you don’t often see inhabiting the same sentence these days. Throw in “sports” as an adjective before “journalist” and you only see them together in schizophrenic episodes.

  23. jag8r904 - Jul 26, 2012 at 2:14 PM

    Logan Morrison

  24. Brian Donohue - Jul 26, 2012 at 5:10 PM

    Now he’s LA’s problem. Case in point: last night’s triple, which should have been an ITPHR (or 4-base error to be truthful, it was an awful play by CF Jay). Ramirez made a shuffling trot toward first, didn’t start running till he was nearly halfway to 2nd. Ball goes off the wall and rebounds halfway to the infield. Had he been running out of the box he would have scored standing up.

    OK, the guy behind him picked him up with a SF. But Mattingly or maybe Kemp or Ethier will have to get in this kid’s face when no reporters are around and tell him: we don’t play like that, not here. Get used to it.

    • blueharley24 - Jul 27, 2012 at 1:26 PM

      Davey Lopes worked wonders with Matt Kemp and has helped him realize that he had MVP potential and helped Matty tap into that. Hopefully, he can do the same for Ramirez.

  25. contender123 - Jul 27, 2012 at 10:51 AM

    SAMPSON, LORIA, RUN THIS TEAM AND THEY ARE POISON, OZZIE A JOKE, STADIUM IN LIL HAVANA, LOST ALL THE PALM BEACH AND BROWARD COUNTY FANS….WHEN I ASKED SAMPSON YEARS AGO ABOUT THE KIDS AND BASEBALL ON WEEKNIGHTS, HIS ANSWER WAS OH WE GOT THE METRORAIL AND FESTIVITIES FOR THEM…SIDEROADED MY QUESTION….7PM GAME METRORAIL TO FORT LAUDERDALE OR PALM BEACH 12 MIDNITE HOME A 7.5 HR DAY TO SEE A GAME FOR A 7 YO CHILD…..THANKS SIMPSON THEN YOU WONDER WHY THEY HAVE 8000 AT A GAME

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