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Hunter Pence traded to the Giants

Jul 31, 2012, 12:29 PM EDT

Hunter Pence AP

UPDATE: Andrew Baggarly of CSNBayArea.com reports that the deal is done and about to be announced.

1:32 PM: Heyman reports that Nate Schierholtz is in the deal too. That at least gives the Phillies and outfielder. Heyman likewise says that a pitcher could be going to Philly, making this a 3-for-1 deal. UPDATE:  The pitcher is minor league reliever Seth Rosin.

12:29 PM: Ruben Amaro is taking no prisoners. Mere minutes after word of the completion of the Shane Victorino trade, Jon Heyman reports that the Giants have agreed to acquire Hunter Pence from the Phillies. There is word from the Giants, however, that the deal is not yet done.  General reporterly consensus is settling on the notion that it’s probably almost done, but some details need sorted. The devil is in the details, of course.

The Giants are reported to be sending back catching prospect Tommy Joseph. No word yet if any other players are going to Philly, but Gary Brown, Brandon Belt or Kyle Crick are all reported to NOT be part of the deal.  The Giants are reported to be picking up a “chunk” of Pence’s 2012 salary.

Pence is hitting .271/.336/.447 on the year with 17 homers and 59 RBI.  He’s arbitration eligible next season.

Joseph, who just turned 21, is hitting .260/.313/.391 at Double-A Richmond of the Eastern League. He’s still young for his league, of course, and he has shown nice power in his previous two minor league seasons.  Given that Carlos Ruiz is going to be a free agent after 2013 — and given that he will be entering his age-35 season the year after that — you have to figure the Phillies view Joseph as the heir apparent.

  1. hcf95688 - Jul 31, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    Hopefully this works out as well for the Giants as the Aaron Rowand deal did.

    • nyyankeedave - Jul 31, 2012 at 4:00 PM

      Wait, did the Giants trade for Rowand when they got him? Have they inked Pence to a multi-year deal yet? Your comment makes no sense.

  2. joebuckiscreepy - Jul 31, 2012 at 12:36 PM

    Compensation better be decent. This team had a lot of injuries and bad luck this year and could still contend next year. RAJ better not COMPLETELY blow things up unless the price is right.

    • ewyorksockexchange - Jul 31, 2012 at 1:24 PM

      Getting a prospect and dumping around $14 million in next years salary in exchange for letting go of an overrated player with a bad OBP for his BA with terrible plate discipline who does a poor job of fielding his position and is a pretty bad situational hitter sounds pretty good to me as a Phils fan.

      • cleverbob - Jul 31, 2012 at 1:28 PM

        Oh come on, he wasn’t complete garbage, just much better for a team as a #5 hitter rather than #3 or #4.

      • paperlions - Jul 31, 2012 at 1:37 PM

        That sounds nice….but who plays in his spot? Yes, $14M is too much for Pence, but it isn’t like an upgrade is available…cheap or otherwise.

      • Francisco (FC) - Jul 31, 2012 at 1:38 PM

        Pence is a complementary piece who was asked to do what he cannot so. Last year at the #5 spot in the lineup he seemed to be doing pretty well, #3 not so much.

      • chadjones27 - Jul 31, 2012 at 2:01 PM

        ewyork, that is the best run on sentence I have ever seen. Ever!

      • Utley's Hair - Jul 31, 2012 at 2:07 PM

        Regardless of necessity, Pence was misused in the lineup. He was brought in as a right-handed bat to provide protection for Howard. Without Howard there, he was looked at as something he wasn’t. He was much better in the 5th spot. As good as NinJr had been previously, his lack of doing anything in the offseason, and subsequent kneejerk moves—Qualls? Really? No, seriously…Qualls?!?—have tarnished his halo. I sure hope this selloff works.

        The Hawaiian will be missed. And to more than a few, so will Pence.

      • ewyorksockexchange - Jul 31, 2012 at 3:04 PM

        cleverbob, I agree that Pence wasn’t terrible, but you can get better value for that $14 mil. These two moves saved the Phils 19.9 mil, which gives them almost $50 mil to spend on 6 needs as opposed to 27 Million for 4 positions.

        And chad, who needs commas when you have predicate nominatives and prepositional phrases? Style be damned.

  3. jonirocit - Jul 31, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    People are also reporting the deal is not done

  4. jonirocit - Jul 31, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    Deal not done yet

  5. babych99 - Jul 31, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    SELL SELL SELL, although its been a good run, at least theres some excitement this season.

  6. proudlycanadian - Jul 31, 2012 at 12:42 PM

    No Brandon Belt? Guess that the cost is not ex-Pence-ive.

    • Old Gator - Jul 31, 2012 at 12:46 PM

      Oww.

      • proudlycanadian - Jul 31, 2012 at 1:13 PM

        It comes naturally. Both my father and his father specialized in terrible puns.

    • chadjones27 - Jul 31, 2012 at 2:07 PM

      I thought you would have went with a Belt pun. But I guess that wouldn’t “hold up” around here, huh. I should “buckle” down and think of better jokes.

      • proudlycanadian - Jul 31, 2012 at 2:10 PM

        I gave you a thumbs up for the Belt joke.

  7. somekat - Jul 31, 2012 at 12:43 PM

    if that is accurate, i’m not thrilled. Catcher was the one position the Phillies didn’t need a young guy to come in at

    • CJ - Jul 31, 2012 at 12:48 PM

      very true. I like Valle, but he’s still a bit away. I was hoping Joseph was more ML ready but he’s actually younger and in the same level as Valle. I’m guessing 1 of the to goes to AAA now though. I’m also guessing Ruiz is gone at the deadline next year if they’re not back in contention yet.

      Having 2 of the better C prospects in the game is great, especially when we’ll need one in the next year and a half or so in the bigs, but there better be more to this trade.

      • SOBEIT - Jul 31, 2012 at 3:57 PM

        Joseph is a better hitter than catcher. He was also being groomed for 1B. He could be a good backup catcher and used as a power hitting 1B. Especially if these injuries to Howard become chronic. I will miss Joseph because the Giants could have used his affordable bat in a couple years…hell we could use it now. But I believe we got him out of high school so you have a very promising young prospect.

    • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Jul 31, 2012 at 1:07 PM

      Call the Yankees and ask them how many catching prospects is too many. Take the best players, and worry about the positions later.

      • Francisco (FC) - Jul 31, 2012 at 1:40 PM

        You can always flip that extra player for a different one down the road. It’s all about trade chips.

    • cleverbob - Jul 31, 2012 at 1:17 PM

      Chooch is no spring chicken, but agreed that his replacement shouldn’t be a top priority.

  8. stex52 - Jul 31, 2012 at 12:43 PM

    So Pence learns that life can be complicated if you are a very good player but not quite All-Star.

    Do we ever wonder why the players’ union is so tough? They may get paid well but they have very little say in their own life choices – unless they are one of a handful of stars.

  9. Alex K - Jul 31, 2012 at 12:45 PM

    Quit trying to break news.

    • Jeremy T - Jul 31, 2012 at 12:48 PM

      pretty sure Jon Heyman was the one breaking the news…

      • Alex K - Jul 31, 2012 at 12:54 PM

        It’s actually a terrible joke from yesterday. A guy was bitching at Craig about trying to break news of a Pence to the Giants trade even though he was passing along KPIX in San Francisco’s report.

      • Jeremy T - Jul 31, 2012 at 1:07 PM

        Ah, that sounds familiar, but I didn’t remember who it was that said it so I just assumed that it was you. My bad for not getting the joke :)

      • Alex K - Jul 31, 2012 at 1:27 PM

        Well, I used the same terrible joke yesterday. Now that this trade is done I am a little sad I can’t use it again.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jul 31, 2012 at 2:04 PM

        Well, I used the same terrible joke yesterday. Now that this trade is done I am a little sad I can’t use it again.

        This is HBT, what makes you think you can’t keep using the same joke even if it’s not relevant?
        :)

      • Alex K - Jul 31, 2012 at 2:12 PM

        Hacky jokes FTW!

      • Jeremy T - Jul 31, 2012 at 2:44 PM

        still not as bad as PFT as far as hacky jokes. I’m pretty sure I’m still seeing “Rex Ryan likes feet” jokes on every article about a kicker.

      • Jeremy T - Jul 31, 2012 at 5:45 PM

        Oh, and church… that’s a clown comment, bro.

  10. stex52 - Jul 31, 2012 at 12:51 PM

    Wait, isn’t Pence too young to qualify for trade to the Giants? :-)

    • temporarilyexiled - Jul 31, 2012 at 12:55 PM

      I’ve you’ve been paying attention lately, thankfully, not any more.

      • paperlions - Jul 31, 2012 at 1:40 PM

        Marco Scutaro anyone?

    • temporarilyexiled - Jul 31, 2012 at 1:53 PM

      Yeah, if the only trade is Marco Scutaro, then the joke still stands. But, one, MS for CC is a good deal. And two, MC and AP are still reasonably young. Don’t they count? Wait until the deadline is passed before making assumptions. The real question is do the Giants compete with the moves the other contenders have done, or is it more of the same?

    • nyyankeedave - Jul 31, 2012 at 4:03 PM

      That would’ve been a tired joke 5-6 years ago when they were old….but nice try anyway – here’s a lolli – pop!

  11. natslady - Jul 31, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    So, were the Pence bobbleheads already manufactured? Could be a collectors’ item, y’know, like those pennies with misprints.

  12. townballblog - Jul 31, 2012 at 1:05 PM

    What’s the record for updates on a single post? Is it close? Come on, Craig… you can do it!

  13. dannythebisforbeast - Jul 31, 2012 at 1:12 PM

    This post is all over the place. Like Hunter Pences swinging and fielding!

    • cleverbob - Jul 31, 2012 at 1:19 PM

      Hey-o! Please tip your servers!

  14. cleverbob - Jul 31, 2012 at 1:20 PM

    A chunk is more than a smidge but far less than a buttload.

  15. Joe - Jul 31, 2012 at 1:38 PM

    Well, at least Phillies fans won’t have to watch Pence try to hit low and away breaking balls while striding toward the 3rd base dugout any more. The occasional accidental home run isn’t enough to make up for this annoying tendency.

  16. sheriffpeyton18 - Jul 31, 2012 at 1:47 PM

    Giants were already Pense-ive!! (Live a little!!)

    • proudlycanadian - Jul 31, 2012 at 2:12 PM

      Another thumbs up.

  17. associate111 - Jul 31, 2012 at 1:53 PM

    If this is true then i think RAJ shot himself in the foot again. I hope this isn’t all
    he got for Pence. The outfielder reportedly sent to us stinks. .257 batting ave,
    5 homers, career stolen bases stinks and rbi’s stink. With Mayberry, Brown and
    now this guy we will have the worst outfield in all of baseball. I was sort of a fan
    of RAJ but if this deal is true then i am done with Amaro. It’s for sure he is looking
    to save money. Why, they are loaded and they are saving salaries????? He sure
    as hell better have something else going on to not make this deal look too bad.
    Pathetic.

    • Francisco (FC) - Jul 31, 2012 at 2:14 PM

      You must be from the 80’s, BA? RBI? His OPS+ is 115 this season which is above average. His splits suggest that he can hold his own against lefties though he won’t be spectacular. This is a low cost right fielder who’s basically a place-holder until the Phillies can find something better. He’s arb elligible in 2013 and shouldn’t cost much to keep. My only complaint is that he’s left handed when you already are bringing up Dom Brown who is another left handed hitter.

      The reports I’ve read suggest it’s a 3 for 1 swap with a pair of prospects thrown in.

      • Francisco (FC) - Jul 31, 2012 at 2:33 PM

        Looking more into it, he’s better used as a platoon with Mayberry Jr. But he has a plus arm so whatever is lost from Pence’s bat should be compensated by defensive runs saved with Nate’s glove.

    • skerney - Jul 31, 2012 at 4:06 PM

      And what’s with the “us” business? Are you on the Phillies roster? Are you Ryan Howard? I think you are Ryan Howard.

  18. sisqsage - Jul 31, 2012 at 2:06 PM

    As we all know, the Gents need more punch in the lineup and this will help and wasn’t too expensive. Joseph is a good catching prospect but did we really need him with Buster and Hector on the team for like the next 10 years at least? SF is set at catcher. Nate needs a change. This will be good for him. We have Pence for next year too, an outfielder who can hit 270-plus with 15-20 homers and 80-plus RBIs. Heck, we aren’t used to that.

    Now, Sabes, make a deal for another reliever.

    • SOBEIT - Jul 31, 2012 at 4:01 PM

      Joseph would have been a better 1B because of his power bat. But we have a backlog at 1B and C with Posey, Sanchez, Belt, Sandoval. I was looking forward to seeing what Joseph would do next year and get an late season call up for his first taste of the bigs with a brighter role for 2014. Now I will have to wait to see what he becomes for the Phillies.

      But now we have 2 free swinging hitters with Sandoval and Pence…and they will be back to back in the lineup. Big reward, but could be very frustrating at times.

  19. Francisco (FC) - Jul 31, 2012 at 2:07 PM

    Hey Craig, since you’re editing the post, change “and” for “an”, in for a penny, in for a pound, why stop now?

  20. chadjones27 - Jul 31, 2012 at 2:13 PM

    Just got this off CSNPhilly.com:

    Shortly after sending Shane Victorino to Los Angeles, the Phils traded Hunter Pence to San Francisco. In return they received catching prospect Tommy Joseph, outfielder Nate Schierholtz and pitcher Seth Rosin

  21. leerosenthall - Jul 31, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    I liked Hunter Pence when he was an Astro, and he did well behind Ryan Howard last season, but he seemed very over-priced after watching him for a full season. And he was a butcher in right field, especially following in Werth’s footsteps. I’d much rather lose Hunter than Cliff Lee. I’m not ready to give up on Lee yet, overpaid or not.

    Sad to see Shane go, but I think he’ll do well for the Dodgers. Isn’t that the city that boos him every time he comes to bat? That should be amusing.

    • Utley's Hair - Jul 31, 2012 at 2:56 PM

      Cliffy isn’t going anywhere. No team is going to take on that salary, especially with the season he’s having.

      Pence was much better as protection for Howard. It’s just that his fielding become so much more glaring with the pitching woes, as well as with Howard’s absence causing him to be the power bat in the lineup.

      As for Victorino, he will be missed, and he has a special place in most Phils Phans’ hearts. He’s one of the top players in his position. His offense suffered this year due to distraction caused by his contract situation, but then again, the entire team’s offense has suffered this year.

      Just remember, his first at-bat will be less booed, since Dodger fans don’t show up until the third inning anyway.

  22. therealtrenches - Jul 31, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    I know that Pence’s numbers were just dandy, but boy was this guy hard to watch: he was SUCH a klutz in the field (and on the base paths), and not exactly capable of productive at bats — running counts and making pitchers work — when his bat wasn’t hot.

    See ya, Hunter. You had heart, or so they say (I didn’t like seeing you clown around in the dugout while the team’s season was going down the drain).

    • Utley's Hair - Jul 31, 2012 at 3:49 PM

      Right, because they all need to look pi$$ed off all the time if the team is losing. Looseness does come into play, you know.

      • therealtrenches - Jul 31, 2012 at 11:23 PM

        Look…the clowning around was the least of the problems I cited in that post.

        And I don’t recall ever saying that they need to look pi$$ed all the time when they’re losing. I also don’t recall saying that being loose isn’t important.

        It was mainly his work at the plate that I didn’t like (though his fielding left much to be desired). Rarely would he run a count, even when leading off an inning. It’s every batter’s job to do that for the rest of his team. Fewer and fewer guys seem to understand that. I count Pence among them.

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