Comments on: Report: Dodgers claimed Cliff Lee on waivers

By: manchestermiracle

manchestermiracle — Mon, 06 Aug 2012 02:04:05 +0000

As a long-time Dodger fan I hope the new ownership doesn’t bite on bad deals like this one. Get the farm system back to where it used to be, make smart free agent signings or trades and take the time needed to build a winner. Loading up on over-priced players like Lee won’t get you a pennant.

By: seeingwhatsticks

seeingwhatsticks — Sun, 05 Aug 2012 09:48:18 +0000

Did they win the World Series last year? Did they make it to the World Series last year? Are they about to go in the tank for the foreseeable future? Was their current situation completely predictable?

What did they get for committing all that money to Lee? Instead of being a top half payroll with a mediocre to poor record they’re going to have one of the biggest payrolls in the game while sporting a mediocre to poor record. I respect committing resources in an effort to go for it when a team is close and has a realistic shot but giving a player 6 years with huge money when the window has already started to close was dumb. The Phillies would have been much better off spending prospects or assuming salary for a player that had a much shorter contract. The Lee contract was all about the fact that they lost to the Giants and didn’t look that good doing it. If Manuel hadn’t been too stubborn to break up Utley and Howard or Amaro had put together a competent bullpen they wouldn’t have felt the need to give Cliff Lee all that money because they might have actually won a 2nd World Series.

By: paperlions

paperlions — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 13:47:11 +0000

Actually, they can’t make any deal they want because if they try to make a deal Lee can reject it via is no-trade clause. In addition, the Dodgers are the one’s holding the cards, they can take on the entire contract (which is a horrible one…but at least it is short)….and Philly will have to eat a LOT of money to get any kind of prospect at all. It would be a major coup if Philly could get Zach Lee or Webster…they really don’t have much else, and they don’t have any position players to speak of.

In the end, there will probably be no deal and Lee will probably stay right where he is.

By: gogigantos

gogigantos — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 13:06:33 +0000

Dodgers, suddenly the Yankees of the West, will readily move into lux tax regions to make a splash and land a mind bending TV deal. Not surprised if they take on all the money and go ‘all in’ for this initial run under new ownership. The spending already is bending the shape of things in the West, what the future holds, murky as it always is, may put the old Yankees to shame. It just may flow like water. Also like water seeking depth, I hope it settles at the bottom and buys no wins, this season anyway. Back on the map they are for sure and McBankrupt they are not. Wow. Nothing they spend will surprise me going forward.

By: cleverbob

cleverbob — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 12:46:51 +0000

Not true if the contract is heavily front loaded.

By: phillyphan83

phillyphan83 — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 12:27:41 +0000

this is sooo sad, goneyickkity, in your defense, you’re not the only person here who thinks he knows what he’s talking about. I love it when I see all these “armchair experts” run their mouths, only to look stupid in the end. the Phil’s are NOT stuck with his contract, they can make the trade with any terms they can agree on. they can eat any amount of that money they wish, whether it be none, some, or all. stick with your day job.

as for flyeredup…thank you for making us ALL look dumb. Shea Weber SIGNED with us. the preds MATCHED! Shea and the flyers had no control over that, its the teams’ option to match or not. clearly you have no idea how offer sheets work. once again, stick to your day job, however, I have a feeling you’re a now-it-all there too.

By: jsgceg

jsgceg — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 04:26:20 +0000

Leave it to an Iggle fan to dish out the stupidity. Jesus “flyeredup”, change your handle to AndyReidsToiletseat or ILuvHowardEskin.

By: flyeredup

flyeredup — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 02:31:05 +0000

Phillies need to stick Dodgers with Lee. Amaro and Holmgrens stupidity has set the Phils and Flyers backwards 5 years. Hopefully Vick delivers the Dynasty!

By: djm426

djm426 — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 02:27:14 +0000

All of the sudden lee is a liability..the guy threw 30+ shut outs innings a row last year and is unhittable at times.. Amaro has done fine.. 5 div titles,Nl pennant n o yea a WS series. It’s a down year..the problem is their scouting..their prospects stink,even the ones they gave up stink

By: beavertonsteve

beavertonsteve — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 02:24:15 +0000

Well as far as the Weber thing, he really didn’t tell the Flyers to stick it. The Predators told the Flyers to stick it, but it was pretty painful for them too.

By: flyeredup

flyeredup — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 02:12:11 +0000

I’m embarrassed to be a Philly fan. Amaro is a douche, Shea Weber tells Flyers to stick it. Sigh

By: sgtr0c

sgtr0c — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 01:33:21 +0000

Your logic is like wife logic, RAJr seems to be smarter then those teams. Two teams wanting to block each other seem to be prime targets…..

By: chap6869

chap6869 — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:50:27 +0000

There’s one problem with that scenario, the Phils are close to the tax penalty threshold next year with just 16 players, not alot of wiggle room, moneywise to improve the team greatly. It can be done but it will take some F/A role players playing over their heads to make that happen. The days of Daal and Travis Lee are alot different then today,The Phillies never spent alot of money to improve the team, with the TV contract thats coming in the near future, Amaro can pick up some prospects and have alot of money to spend next year or sit pat and watch the team get old. He has some tough decisions over the next 6 months!

By: chap6869

chap6869 — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:42:25 +0000

Well, we helped the Kings win a cup, might as well help the Dodgers as well,lol.

By: chap6869

chap6869 — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:40:58 +0000

They won 102 games last year with that rotation with a ton of injuries and no hitting. Not sure what you were trying to say but it didn’t work! Phillies fans have seen this before( 1983) where the team got old and did nothing to prevent it via trades for prospects etc, instead, trading away prospects (Sandberg) to get to that one last World Series and it took them 10+ years to even sniff the playoffs. At least Amaro is being proactive, freeing up money and gaining prospects. I’d rather retool and get younger with the ability to spend big in free agency in the future than to get old and fade away!

By: willclarkgameface

willclarkgameface — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:08:03 +0000

I’m surprised the Diamondbacks didn’t claim him just to block the Dodgers. They are now more stupid than Ruben Amaro Jr.

By: ryanrockzzz

ryanrockzzz — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 23:57:24 +0000

All these Phillies “fans” that are all over RAJ now were the same ones calling into WIP two years ago saying, “how could they trade him away, we have to get him back!”

You gotta take chances and spend money to win, or else you get the likes of Omar Daal, Travis Lee etc. Let’s just go back to those days, when the contracts were great and the players were not!

He’s a good pitcher and I hope the Phillies keep him and re-tool for next year.

By: deadeyedesign23

deadeyedesign23 — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 23:56:05 +0000

Was Beltran to the Mets a bad deal? He had a 6 year contract with them. 1 year was terrible because of injury, 2 average years and 3 great ones and then they flipped him for Zach Wheeler. If that’s a bad contract Jim Hendry should be keelhauled for what he gave Soriano.

By: beavertonsteve

beavertonsteve — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 23:55:51 +0000

Philadelphia Phillies of Los Angeles?

By: cleverbob

cleverbob — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 23:47:33 +0000

What sounds better, Los Angeles Phillies or just Phillies West?

By: pinkfloydprism

pinkfloydprism — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 23:43:34 +0000

Screw the blue!

By: xmatt0926x

xmatt0926x — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 23:19:20 +0000

I’m torn as a Phillies fan. I’d hate to lose the pitching but all logic says to just dump him and use that $25 million somewhere else. I’m laughing……. I’m crying……

By: pxeeks

pxeeks — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 23:19:15 +0000

I am a huge Philly Cliff Lee fan buttttttttt we got him to win in the playoffs and he lost a 4-0 lead to Cardinals. I still love ya but that’s a lot of money for the future on 1 arm. We need hitting. Bring on Hamilton!!

By: seeingwhatsticks

seeingwhatsticks — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 23:18:01 +0000

It’s pretty amusing to see all this talk about how the Phillies should just dump Cliff Lee given all the “OMG CLIFF LEE BEST ROTATION EVAR LOLZ 120 WINZ” talk before last season.

By: bleedgreen

bleedgreen — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 23:17:24 +0000

They’re already stuck with the contract… they’re the ones that gave him it.

By: bloodysock

bloodysock — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 23:05:50 +0000

Now if they would just claim Carl Crawford…

By: sgtr0c

sgtr0c — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:56:12 +0000

I love Cliff Lee. But if the Phillies move his contract, they will be contending next year, ……keep him, maybe in five years. They need hiting.

As for the Dodgers, he is a stud and will help you for long enough to get to the deep play-offs. Hope it works out, might be good for both teams.

By: SOBEIT

SOBEIT — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:54:06 +0000

Sabean, please put Zito on the waiver wire…hope the Dodgers take him and that fat contract.

By: paperlions

paperlions — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:45:55 +0000

Well, the Dodgers just volunteered to take the entire contract. Philly would be smart to let him go while they have the chance….so…they’ll probably keep him.

By: goawaydog

goawaydog — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:45:53 +0000

Ummm …. Nver mind, question retracted.