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The Pirates and Reds are not liking one another right now

Aug 6, 2012, 12:31 PM EDT

Andrew McCutchen AP AP

On Friday, Andrew McCutchen was hit by a 101 mile-an-hour fastball by Reds’ closer Aroldis Chapman. Then on Saturday, Reds starter Mike Leake hit Pirate Josh Harrison and barked at him. Yesterday Rod Barajas and Starling Marte were each hit by Reds pitchers.

The Pirates did not retaliate during A.J. Burnett‘s win yesterday. And Barajas explained why:

“If A.J. drills someone, he gets thrown out. What good is that going to do us?” Barajas — Burnett’s personal catcher — asked. “Then, we have to go to our bullpen early with a long stretch of games coming up. That makes no sense. There is a time and a place for [retaliation]. Today was the time to win. We got that done.”

G.M. Neal Huntington mentioned something about it too:

“The competitor in you wants immediate payback,” general manager Neal Huntington said. “But there’s a right time and a right way of doing things. Even then, [the retaliation] might not be as blatant as you would want it.”

A.J. Burnett added “We haven’t forgotten.”

I find it interesting. Partially because there was none of that tit-for-tat baseball justice which you’d normally expect to see. Also because, if and when the Pirates do hit someone on the Reds the next time they meet, I wonder if these kinds of quotes will form the basis of a suspension, given that they clearly indicate some sort of intent for the future.

  1. deathmonkey41 - Aug 6, 2012 at 12:36 PM

    The Pirates are obviously not students of the “Old School”

  2. chill1184 - Aug 6, 2012 at 12:40 PM

    Pirates are obviously the bigger team, go on them.

  3. zjk5 - Aug 6, 2012 at 12:40 PM

    Pirates are waiting until votto returns

  4. rssgvegas - Aug 6, 2012 at 12:48 PM

    Pirates didn’t retaliate b/c they weren’t given a chance to. Chapman hit Cutch at the end of Friday’s game, then Harrison got hit at the beginning of Saturday’s game which prompted warnings for both benches for some reason. How are you gonna let the Reds hit 2 of our guys then throw out the warning so we can’t retaliate? Hurdle didn’t like it either and got ejected. Warnings were issued Sunday before the game so basically if Burnett hits somebody he’s ejected. Bucs can’t be swept and go 6.5 back, they need a win so AJ makes Cincy his bitch and the retaliation will come later!

    • bengalsucker - Aug 6, 2012 at 1:00 PM

      Cincy is his bitch huh? How many games are you back from the Reds? oh yeah, you must have forgotten that. Hope second place feels good. Get used to it.

      • napoleonblownapart6887 - Aug 6, 2012 at 1:13 PM

        Well, while you make a fair point that we are in second place, his point remains valid: in three starts this season AJ Burnett is 3-0 2.18 ERA. So while the language may be a bit crass, it is true that the Reds have not fared well against Burnett at all.

        As far as “getting used” to second place, I believe the 2011 Red Sox, and Braves (sorry guys) would caution you about getting comfortable with any lead in August….

      • bengalsucker - Aug 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM

        No one said anything about the Reds getting comfortable in first. They are going to continue to play strong. You just acted like your bucs came out of Cincy with a sweep with the “bitch” comment. Burnett can’t pitch every game against us. He can only pitch one and one game out of three is a losing series every time. Again, get used to 2nd place. Also remember, we were almost playing our B squad against Burnett Sunday.

      • cardslifer - Aug 6, 2012 at 2:19 PM

        Doesn’t matter who finishes 1st or 2nd or even 3rd because of the two wild cards. They’ll make the playoffs if they continue playing well.

        Pirates are going to be around in October so I hope the Reds continue to show their true color because I think this Pirates group is hungry.

        Btw the Reds are completely classless and has a team full of punks.

      • napoleonblownapart6887 - Aug 6, 2012 at 2:22 PM

        Okay, so I’ll address you concerns as you raise them in your second comment:

        – “No one said anything about the Reds getting comfortable in first.” While you didn’t say that directly, your statement to “get used to second place” implies that you think that the Reds intend to stay in first place. A logical leap I feel.

        -“You just acted like your bucs came out of Cincy with a sweep with the ‘bitch’ comment.” No I didn’t. I’m not the one who made the original comment. In fact I noted that the language was crass.

        -“He can only pitch one and one game out of three is a losing series every time. Again get used to second place.” This is also technically correct, and also a point I’m not arguing. What I continue to point out is that the Reds have continued to struggle against Burnett. I would caution you, however, that while you have had success against the Pirates outside of Burnett’s games, past performance is not always an accurate indicator of future results (hence my allusion to last year’s teams).

        -“Also remember, we were almost playing our B squad against Burnett Sunday.” True the Reds didn’t have two of there better offensive weapons, however he can only beat the team that is in front of him. In addition, in his two starts against your “A-Squad” earlier this year with Votto and Phillips, Burnett has pitched a combined 12 innings and only given up 3 ER, for a 2-0 record and an ERA of 2.25. Still pretty solid.

        As you were…

      • djpostl - Aug 6, 2012 at 2:45 PM

        Cincy is still his bitch moron, seeing how he has made them look like the candyasses that shit ass team from a shit ass town are.

        They showed it with the crap Cueto pulled in the past, this just reinforces it. Then again, wtf do we expect from a town that elected Jerry Springer mayor?

    • ottomanismydog - Aug 6, 2012 at 5:20 PM

      The umpire crew in the series was horrendous. Specifically the elder grey haired, behind the plate sat and at third on sun. I understand the home field advantage – but the strike zone was inconsistent on both sides. Also, if the Pirates did retaliated it was an ejection for sure. Not asking for replay or special privileges, just a series that isn’t dictated by umpires

  5. Old Gator - Aug 6, 2012 at 12:50 PM

    What you you expect from a team whose ace is a cowardly gutter slug like Johnny Cueto? The trick is to catch that POS in the knee or ankle with a rocket comebacker. As I’ve said before, I have no vested rooting interest in either team but I would love to see Cueto wind up spending the rest of his career trying to make it back to the majors after a serious injury – and failing to do so.

    • bengalsucker - Aug 6, 2012 at 1:01 PM

      Jason LaRue was a half assed catcher who was worthless anyway. Doesn’t make it right what Cueto did but the Cards weren’t innocent in that fight either. Whiney little girls, all of you Cards fans.

      • chill1184 - Aug 6, 2012 at 1:02 PM

        Just to point out, Old Coot is a Marlins fan.

      • Chip Caray's Eyebrows - Aug 6, 2012 at 1:10 PM

        Cardinals fans are definitely insufferable in general, though, so I suppose he was at least on point in one respect.

      • paperlions - Aug 6, 2012 at 3:54 PM

        Cardinal fans may be insufferable, but if we are ranking MLB fans from most insufferable to least insufferable (but still insufferable), Cardinal fans would come in near the bottom on the insufferability scale…you don’t generally see Cardinal fans using “we”, calling opposing players names or attempting to belittle opposing players/fans, spouting vitriol, thumping chests about wins that haven’t happened yet, or even thumping chests about wins that did happen….about all you can complain about with respect to Cardinal fans is that they are too comfortable being referred to as “the best fans in baseball”.

  6. minimoose763 - Aug 6, 2012 at 12:50 PM

    So in a 3 game series 4 different Pirates were hit by Reds pitchers. Oh, Dusty.

  7. darthicarus - Aug 6, 2012 at 12:58 PM

    Cole Hamels has added the Pirates to his “No-Trade” list.

  8. bellylard - Aug 6, 2012 at 1:01 PM

    Times sure have changed when you can’t explain away one errant pitch from Burnett.

  9. okwhitefalcon - Aug 6, 2012 at 1:08 PM

    This isn’t going to go away, when the time is right Votto and/or Phillips will get one in the back and it should be over.

  10. Chip Caray's Eyebrows - Aug 6, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    I don’t know a whole lot about Clint Hurdle, but based solely on appearance I’m somewhat surprised he didn’t dive headfirst into a good old fashioned beanball war.

  11. royalsfaninfargo - Aug 6, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    I find pretty cool that the Bucs are playing meaningful games this late in the season.

  12. rooney24 - Aug 6, 2012 at 1:30 PM

    Have the Reds and Pirates made the Cards irrelevant, or will this become a 3 team race? I am hoping for a 3 team race, as that is the most exciting, since I don’t have a rooting interest. I hope the Pirates at least end with a winning record, even if they don’t make the playoffs. Their true fans deserve a little something for their loyalty all these years.

    • chill1184 - Aug 6, 2012 at 1:33 PM

      The definition of a real fan is a fan who sticks with their team through the bad, not just the good IMO.

      • jimeejohnson - Aug 6, 2012 at 1:46 PM

        That means the Red Sox have mostly FAKE fans!

    • chadh88 - Aug 6, 2012 at 1:43 PM

      3 team race. Cards are 7 back of the Reds but only 2.5 back of the Pirates. Once Cinci comes back down to earth these three will be fighting into the last week.

      • bengalsucker - Aug 6, 2012 at 2:03 PM

        Once Cincy comes back down to Earth? Who’s to say the lead isn’t too far gone once this happens as you say it’s going to? We can only get better. Our two all-stars have been out. One for a week or so and the other for a month or so now.

      • nightman13 - Aug 6, 2012 at 2:18 PM

        Cub fans are easily the most annoying of the NL Central fans, but you seem bound and determined to give them a run for their money.

        Last year Rickie Weeks came back from injury late in the year and he struggled the remainder of the year and 75% of this season. Getting guys back from injury isn’t always a guarantee.

      • jmp527 - Aug 6, 2012 at 2:21 PM

        Bengalsucker thinks that winning 20 out of 23 is sustainable. They are on a crazy hot streak right now with great hitting when the pitching struggles, great pitching when the bats go cold, and some good old fashioned good luck. I didn’t think that the Pirates were going to hit .300 plus as a team and score 8 runs a game during their run in june/ july. the lead isn’t too far gone because there are over 50 games left to play. Only get better? at least 2 of your starting pitchers can implode at any moment. As for Dusty being a koch sucker and hitting Harrison before a Red could be plunk, I hope Cueto gets plunked right in between the numbers in the next series

  13. cbadjon - Aug 6, 2012 at 1:34 PM

    Cutch and Chapman are good friends, I doubt that was intentional at all. They were out partying together the last time the Reds were in town!

  14. tyler200829 - Aug 6, 2012 at 1:40 PM

    Blah blah blah…this is the kind of thing you talk about when your 4.5 games out of first….go back to the closet where you’ve been for 15 years

    • pens5829 - Aug 6, 2012 at 5:11 PM

      Uh? Closet? And the Reds have relevant since when????

  15. maynardstool - Aug 6, 2012 at 1:42 PM

    Awww. How cute. It’s like two little brothers fighting. The only problem is that their’s nobody outside those two cities that cares about them

    • jimeejohnson - Aug 6, 2012 at 1:48 PM

      Better stand up and give your brain some air! Who the f-ck are you to say nobody outside of Pittsburgh and Cincy cares about them? Real baseball fans are fascinated by the resurgence of these two teams. Punks like you are not.

    • bengalsucker - Aug 6, 2012 at 2:04 PM

      Has to be a Yankees fan. Otherwise, we could say the same about his team.

  16. dude1974 - Aug 6, 2012 at 2:09 PM

    I hope everyone realizes what scumbags the Reds are now, and its not just the Cardinals saying it now. I say we buy Cueto tickets to The Dark Knight Rises.

    • nightman13 - Aug 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM

      Wow, let’s joke about an American tragedy. Got any good Pearl Harbor or 9/11 ones?

  17. maynardstool - Aug 6, 2012 at 2:09 PM

    So many people care that the 3rd and 4th place teams from THE SAME DIVISION played a nationally televised game while you guys played where? Fox Sports BFE?

  18. dude1974 - Aug 6, 2012 at 2:11 PM

    I, for one, have mad respect for the Bucs. If my Cards cant do it, Go Bucs!

  19. toegoat - Aug 6, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    I’m just happy to see the Bucs competing again, playoffs or not. Its been 19 yrs since they were good. Hopefully Mgt continues to build the team up instead of trading key guys away, signing washed up guys to enormous contracts, etc.

  20. maynardstool - Aug 6, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    It’s not as much the Reds as it is Dusty Baker. He seems like he just has to start shit with someone every year.

    Other than Queto (whose a complete POS) I don’t have a problem with any of them.

    Brandon Phillips talks a lot of trash, but he backs it up too. Their fans are a different story though. Definitely a little man complex at work there..

  21. johnnyb1976 - Aug 6, 2012 at 3:14 PM

    Arrogant Pirate fans the Reds just took 2 of 3 away from your great team with mostly backups playing. You fools go 1-2 in a series and lose a game in the standings and your talking crap like you swept Cincy. Burnett is as hot a pitcher as the reds are a team right now do I don’t mind losing that game, THE REDS STILL WON THE SERIES! Get that through your thick skulls. Also cry all you want about your players getting HBP it’s a part of the game and the Pirates are crying about it instead of doing something about it. Pirates are not ready to be a playoff team yet because they can be intimidated by opposing teams, the Reds learned a great lesson from the Cards and Phillies in 2010 about intimidation. Now the Reds are the ones intimidating teams I like it.

  22. metalhead65 - Aug 6, 2012 at 4:14 PM

    did I miss the part where they passed a rule that all pitchers must have pin point control at all times?when you hit a batter intentionaly it is called a purpose pitch,now please tell me how hitting those guys in those situations serves a purpose?2 outs in 9th and hitting a guy who had done nothing against the reds this series proves what? Leake hitting somebody with 2 outs and 1 run lead and putting the go ahead run at the plate serves what purpose? and Bailey was all over the place yesterday so hitting someone had nothing to do with doing it on purpose. there is old school and there is being a wuss which the pirates are being. it’s great you are having a winning season but because your guys get hit does not mean anything other than they had control problems. stop acting like you guys are the top dog because you do not suck as bad as you have the last 20 years. you had a 2 game lead on the reds at the break and are now 4.5 games back. the Reds just took 2 out of 3 games from you so that means you do not get to talk about revenge and how tough you are. you have now stated you intend payback when you play again so you will not get the benefit of the doubt even if your guy says it was not on purpose.

  23. mj1818 - Aug 6, 2012 at 4:35 PM

    Bengalsucker: you have little room to speak since your bengals have been third rate to the steelers AND raven for a verrrry long time.

  24. theallegedone - Aug 6, 2012 at 5:10 PM

    Imagine that. The Pirates all of a sudden have fans.

    • pens5829 - Aug 6, 2012 at 5:16 PM

      Rest assured, the fans have always been there. Ownership has not.

  25. stairwayto7 - Aug 6, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    Pirates have 6 games at home vs the reds inclding the last weekend of the season. The reds blew their chance yesterday and blew it! Pirates win Central rteds get wild card.

    • metalhead65 - Aug 6, 2012 at 5:52 PM

      taking 2 out of 3 is blowing it? well I guess that is better than just blowing like the pirates and their fans.

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